Want to puke read this...IMO the biggest reason why a liberal must not be president.(Judge Appts)

[UncleMoneybags]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PATRIOT: The outrage is that if a student a even attempts to prayer (christian)...the schools call in the national guard...with the student facing suspension...You can't even pray optionally.

BAR: This is an utter falsehood.

You cannot show me a cite of a student attempting to pray and facing suspension.

You may be able to show cites of a student attempting to 'lead a group prayer', or provide an invocation to a school event, but there is no restriction on students doing all the personal, private prayer they wish in American public schools. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He might be recalling an incident in Alabama in like '96 when the then-governor threatened to call out the National Guard when the ACLU wanted them to remove the 10 commandments from city property to which he replied: Go to Hell! I know if there's something I don't want to see I look the other way. Example: In the grocery store everyone and their mother wears shorts but they don't consider the fact that their varicose veins make the rest of us sick.

 

[PatPatriot]

There is also a movment by the ACLU to have a cross removed from a county insignia in LA county (I think LA) or some county in cal.

The countys fighting it because it is part of the heritage...not good enough for the ACLU....It will cost 100 of thousands..to remove insignia or to fight the ACLU.
Fxckin obscene...talk about intolerance.

 

[cussin'it]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uncle Moneybags:
When you spend 2 years or more there I'll give you the benefit of your wisdom but I have a sneaking suspicion you have never spent more than a month outside of the ozarks. You're the only one that knows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, for your own curiosity, I was a military/civil service child and grew up in a host of places around the US and world. Born and raised primarily in Calif. Lived in Phillipines, Japan, Hawaii, Okla., Ark. As an adult i've spent a number of years in Ark, Missouri, Chicago, Seattle, and Calif.

I would not question or diminish your first-hand experience, but why is it the only method to understanding?
You do realize that there are dozens of cultures that live and work and worship and contribute and pay taxes and give to charity and do volunterism, and so on, right here in the U.S.???????

So why is it that your experience is superior to anyone else's that may have grown up in areas of cultural diversity?

So yes I did correct my improper use of the word "mysoganistic" an error on my part in the descriptive. The word i intended was myopic. But hell pigheaded will suffice.

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[UncleMoneybags]

No offense, but an army brat existence is no where near the same as living and working abroad as an adult especially if you were in the confines of a base. Japan and Philippines do qualify but I'd rather not get into a semantical argument about whether living an American existence on an American-controlled base interacting primarily with Americans is the same.

I'd say that there's a lot more than dozens as far as cultures go in the United States but whether they pay taxes or volunteer for charity is extraneous.

I react hostilely to you and others because on this and about 6 other boards I frequent it's the same story different verse and until people edit or otherwise change their opinions midstream I comment on what is put before me.

I would assume that you're older than I and we obviously have different views. Most of the time it is an impressionable adolescent and your tone is strikingly similar to it. The confusion and subsequent attacks were not conceived with malice. I stand by my remarks and I suppose you stand by yours.

Good day

 

[Illini]

I just read the original post now. If this story is true, it's one of the sickest and most hypocritical things I've ever heard. Imagine if a teacher taught about Christianity and forced children to say, "I accept you Jesus as my Lord and Savior." It would be the end of that teacher's career. Period.

 

[eldiablo]

Illini ....bingo, hit the nail right on the head. Bottom line, no religion should be forced or led in any way, shape or form. Schools normally observe a moment of silence. They have 5-10 minutes between class and 30-45 minutes for lunch. This is plenty of time to pray to whomever. I can see certain history or other courses that would teach and outline different cultures and religions. This will probably cause a Muslim student (or others) to disagree with the teacher and cause a stink. They really need to steer clear of the whole subject.

 

[Marco]

I will echo basically what el diablo said.....

Keep the separation of church and state....if you want your kid to say a prayer in school then as a parent send them to the religious school of your choice. Plain and simple.

Plenty of time between classes and lunch, as el said, to say some sort of personal prayer in private.

People wonder why kids can't read or write, or they don't know things that they should pick up in school.....maybe because they have to get back to the basics of what school is all about....getting an education?

 

[cussin'it]

Uncle bags, never did I live on an American base abroad. Also as a student of political science and law it is necessary to understand all sides as well as cultural diversity.

You state that your first-hand experience is the best. Why not explain in detail why you come to this conclusion??

And FYI, Pops was in the Air Force, and then the reserves while he worked for the FAA. I worked for the State Department.
Don't belittle an experience that you may know nothing about.


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[UncleMoneybags]

cussin'it,

I was conveying my experiences from Army rats (or in this case Air Force). That is why I feel based on the current info that I have that I come to this conclusion. You not living on base is the exception not the rule. As far as your supposed State Dept. work I don't know your position so I won't comment.

FWIW, cultural diversity isn't the problem. Force-feeding a bunch of impressionable children is my main rant right now. It was only after you ridiculed me and edited your post that I kept rehashing this thread.

 

[barman]

CI and UMB, put the gloves back on and get back to skating!

And I appreciate the several references to other cases (Alabama, religious shirts etal) regarding questions of religious freedom, but resubmit that the statement, "You can't pray in school" is a falsehood.

It should be interesting to see how many SC Justices Kerry actually gets to nominate.

 

[UncleMoneybags]

I wouldn't say that students are given carte blanche to pray in school because of the paranoia of certain principals and administrators. Most people don't apply the same definition throughout and that's where a lot of the confusion lies. Case in point is that little girl suspended for wearing a hijab. If the policy was enacted before this situation arose then she's out of luck and time to go to a private school. If they did it to spite her that's quite a different story. If I'm not mistaken it originated so that the gangs wouldn't wear publicize their existence to each other.