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Here is one post that I read on i-hub.

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Peg Brickley article/analysis highlights:

Saturday, March 27, 2010
Washington Mutual To Distribute $7 Billion In Chapter 11 Plan


It's possible, but not certain, that creditors on the bottom ranks, such as holders of preferred equity shares, will see a return from the bankruptcy, court documents say.

So we are a creditor? lol. Interesting.

"In a press release, Washington Mutual said J.P. Morgan, WaMu's new owner, has signed on to the settlement, but the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has not.

The company said it is "hopeful" the FDIC will agree to support the settlement "in the near future."

The FDIC is serving as receiver for WaMu's creditors, and it has been hit with lawsuits over the deal. "

And therein lies the dilemma, by excluding equity the FDIC risk future lawsuits, meaning its over for JPM - but not for the FDIC.
 

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WaMu: JP Morgan Keeps Turning Lead Into Gold

March 28, 2010
http://seekingalpha.com/article/195908-wamu-jp-morgan-keeps-turning-lead-into-gold?source=feed

Capitol Hill’s favorite banker keeps turning lead into gold.

Late Friday JP Morgan (JPM) signed a settlement offer with Washington Mutual's (WAMUQ.PK) bankrupt holding company that will, in essence, pay JP Morgan to purchase it.

In September 2008, JP Morgan paid the FDIC $1.9 billion for the 200 year old thrift which, according to its last annual filing, boasted $323 billion in assets and over 2,200 branches. Immediately after being seized WaMu's holding company declared bankruptcy and journeyed to court in order to fight over assets in which to pay creditors.

In its early chapter eleven filings WaMu’s parent company listed over $32 billion in assets and $8 billion in liabilities. Unfortunately most of those assets never materialized. Now after eighteen months of legal wrangling, WaMu's bondholders have decided to throw in the towel.

In the settlement offer WaMu will relinquish all claims against JP Morgan and the FDIC. In return WaMu will be allowed to keep a $3.9 billion dollar deposit it held in its own bank. Most of the $3.9 billion deposit was generated from the sale of preferred securities in 2006 and 2007. Additionally WaMu will be allowed to keep $1.8 to $2.0 billion of its own tax return created from huge losses in 2008. The rest of the projected $5.6 billion return will be split between the FDIC and JP Morgan.

According to the settlement terms JP Morgan will receive $5 billion in HELOC backed securities valued on the open market at 60% of par, $193 million in Visa class B securities, $2.1 billion in cash, and a $20 million wind farm, all from WaMu. Given the initial purchase price of WaMu for $1.9 billion in 2008, these additional assets received means that JP Morgan will pay a negative $3.4 billion for their purchase of the bank.

The loss of these assets will heavily impact WaMu's balance sheet which now stands to make only the bondholders whole, according to the settlement's disclosure statement. Currently senior WaMu holding company debt trades at 106 cents on the dollar.

Under the terms of the settlement WaMu shareholders will receive nothing.

In the disclosure statement WaMu's attorneys stated that the proposed settlement will net the most for all creditors and that further legal dispute would only financially harm the estate. This comes in stark contrast to prior statements by WaMu's equity counsel that a protracted legal battle with JP Morgan and the FDIC may have returned up to $20 billion to the estate.

Currently the settlement is awaiting the approval of the FDIC, Washington Mutual bank bondholders, WaMu unsecured creditors, WaMu preferred shareholders, and the bankruptcy judge. An incomplete plan of reorganization was also filed on Friday along with the disclosure statement. The incomplete POR lacks a balance sheet meaning that WaMu’s unsecured creditors are left only to guess at what they may eventually recover, if anything.

Despite the negative purchase price, Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan has indicated that the purchase of WaMu could have been closed for less, much less. In July 2009 he stated that JP Morgan “could have bought WaMu for a dollar” because of the projected losses that would have been taken on the deal.

The losses never materialized. In May 2009, JP Morgan wrote up its WaMu loan portfolio by $25 billion.

Had the $1 purchase price gone through JP Morgan would have eventually been paid $5.1 billion by WaMu and the FDIC to assume the bank.

While the deal may be good for JP Morgan, former WaMu customers are not so fortunate. Nationally many WaMu Providian credit card customers have since experienced dramatic rate increases. In Oregon, WaMu checking clients report that deposits are being held for fourteen days prior to being accredited to accounts. This abnormally long waiting period means that many checking customers are now being hit by multiple $35-a-peice overdraft charges for having insufficient funds. In northern California, out-the-door waiting lines for teller service at one branch sparked verbal outrage and multiple client threats to move deposits to a community bank branch. The branch responded after twenty minutes by temporarily adding a teller.

Meanwhile FDIC chairwoman Sheila Bair is continuing to push for additional powers that would allow the FDIC to not only shutter banks but their holding companies. This authority would allow for the FDIC to avoid future conflicts when it closes a bank but is unable to force a holding company to capitulate, as is in the case with WaMu. It has come under scrutiny after internal JP Morgan e-mails and PowerPoint presentations
revealed that as early as March 2008 regulators were in negotiations with JP Morgan on the closure of Washington Mutual, termed “Project West”, six months prior to the bank’s seizure
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FDIC OFFICIALLY SAYS: NO GO!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304434404575150150787973606.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

By DAN FITZPATRICK


The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. backed away from its support for a $1.4 billion tax break benefiting J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., setting up a battle between the regulator and the nation's second-largest bank.

The tax benefit stems from J.P. Morgan's acquisition of Washington Mutual and is part of the bankruptcy proceedings of the failed Seattle thrift's parent company. Washington Mutual is eligible for $2.7 billion to $2.8 billion in refunds based on a 2009 economic stimulus bill that allowed companies to apply losses from 2008 and 2009 against taxes paid in the previous five years.

The FDIC became concerned about the potential refund and other issues last week following a story in The Wall Street Journal and a meeting with Washington Mutual bondholders who oppose the deal, said people close to the talks. The 2009 stimulus bill specifically excludes any companies that received bank-bailout funds from getting the tax refunds; New York-based J.P. Morgan received $25 billion in 2008.

Under the bankruptcy plan filed Friday by Washington Mutual's holding company, J.P. Morgan was in position to claim as much as $1.4 billion from an FDIC receivership, with the holding company's creditors getting most of the remainder of the $2.7 billion to $2.8 billion refund. Notably absent in the bankruptcy filing was the support of the FDIC. Washington Mutual's holding company admitted in a statement that "the FDIC has not agreed to all of the provisions" but said "discussions are ongoing."

An FDIC spokesman said Sunday the documents filed Friday night with a U.S. Bankruptcy Court "do not reflect the continuing discussions among the parties."

The FDIC's opposition, these people said, is a reversal from its earlier position. On March 12, FDIC lawyers didn't object when a Washington Mutual lawyer briefed a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge about a tentative "three-way understanding" between the holding company, J.P. Morgan and the FDIC. The tentative deal included the total of $2.6 billion in tax refunds tied to the stimulus bill.

Holders of Washington Mutual Bank bonds have been arguing J.P. Morgan should be denied any refunds because of the government aid it received. Renee Dailey, a lawyer for one group of bank bondholders, said the FDIC's refusal to sign off on the reorganization plan filed Friday "is a chance for the FDIC board to actually look at the terms of the proposed settlement and decide it's not in the best interests of the receivership and not an appropriate exercise of their fiduciary duties." She said it is unlikely the bankruptcy judge will sign off on a plan without FDIC approval.

J.P. Morgan has said to other parties in this case that the bailout ban wouldn't apply because Washington Mutual, and not J.P. Morgan, was the taxpayer. The bank has also noted the refund wouldn't go to the bank directly, instead sitting in a pot at the FDIC that also houses the $1.9 billion J.P. Morgan paid for Washington Mutual's banking assets and deposits.

A J.P. Morgan spokesman said Sunday, "We continue to be engaged in constructive discussions with the relevant parties."
 

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Tunit,

You can't really take Starke seriously. Today's article is his fourth about WAMU in the last few months, and this one now puts the count at 2 positive reviews and 2 negative ones. His company, CRT, is one of the MMs that actively buy and sell this stock. His opinion is far from unbiased.

As for Fidelity, I too saw that they may have purchased WAMUQ back in January, but that purchase didn't get filed until today for some reason. However, I also read that as of the end of February they no longer held it. But to be honest, I don't know if that's true or not -- just something I read.

Good news for WAMU today for sure though...
 

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I agree whole hardheadedly buddy. But it seems that Starke comes over to our side, little by little with every article. I looked into the Fidelity purchase a little more as well and that is the same thing I uncovered. I don't know if the SEC has it filed though. Who knows, Fidelity could of sold and we won't know for another 2 months because of the lag. We will see, all I have to say is things are getting more and more interesting by the day. EC time....
 

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I agree whole hardheadedly buddy. But it seems that Starke comes over to our side, little by little with every article. I looked into the Fidelity purchase a little more as well and that is the same thing I uncovered. I don't know if the SEC has it filed though. Who knows, Fidelity could of sold and we won't know for another 2 months because of the lag. We will see, all I have to say is things are getting more and more interesting by the day. EC time....

Absolutely. It's funny how there can be weeks where nothing happens, then you get a flurry of activity in a day or two. Curious to see how the EC responds as well...
 

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whats funny is the fact this could take 2 weeks or three years and some of these people on Ihub think it is overnight riches.

Dont get me wrong i am holding a solid position of Uq and kq but i dont think it will happen overnight and we are a long way from getting paid out. I do feel that this will not just go away without shareholders getting paid so i like my position.
 

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whats funny is the fact this could take 2 weeks or three years and some of these people on Ihub think it is overnight riches.

Dont get me wrong i am holding a solid position of Uq and kq but i dont think it will happen overnight and we are a long way from getting paid out. I do feel that this will not just go away without shareholders getting paid so i like my position.

Agreed. That's why I say I try to avoid the iHub board. It's mostly nothing but wishful thinking and pumping of the stock. There are a few posters who know what they're talking about, but for the most part it's just a bunch of guys bragging about what kind of cars they're going to buy with their riches. And you're right, the consensus seems to be that not only is a huge payout coming, but it's coming any day now. :lol:
In other news, I don't know if any of you have noticed, but a lot of the letters that shareholders have written to the judge are being docketed. I don't know if she actually read them or not, but nonetheless I'm surprised they have been docketed. Pretty interesting...
 

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whats funny is the fact this could take 2 weeks or three years and some of these people on Ihub think it is overnight riches.

Dont get me wrong i am holding a solid position of Uq and kq but i dont think it will happen overnight and we are a long way from getting paid out. I do feel that this will not just go away without shareholders getting paid so i like my position.

That would mean preferreds will get paid in full. Can't wait man. :toast:
 

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I haven't been following this lately so this may be old news, but it looks like Rosen got the boot and has been replaced with TWO new lawyers for Weil. Apparently he wasn't doing a good enough job of trying to screw equity so they're bringing in the big boys. :lolBIG:

I think there's a court hearing today as well, but I have no idea what's on the agenda.
 

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Errrr, maybe Rosen isn't gone after all. I thought the two new lawyers were replacing him, but they may just be in addition to him...
 

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Lot of interesting stuff brewing here ... sounds like post-seizure bond holders just get the big F U, lol too funny. So happy they cant pull this sh!t with the stock.

I've reloaded a lot of my WAMKQs and a decent chunk of WAMUQs. I'll buy the UQs under .155 when possible, and the KQs under $1.10. I think the preferreds are set to run tomorrow after today's hearing.

Gonna be another wild ride ahead ... get your tickets while they're still cheap.

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kuwlness, if you don't mind me asking... how many tickets do you have? I'm a small investor, 3,000 shares... was just curious.

The EC brought two new layers in... looks like we're headed in the right direction! Lot's of people are saying settlement soon... that sure would be nice!
 

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kuwlness, if you don't mind me asking... how many tickets do you have? I'm a small investor, 3,000 shares... was just curious.

The EC brought two new layers in... looks like we're headed in the right direction! Lot's of people are saying settlement soon... that sure would be nice!


I've held as many as 200k at one time with an avg price of .103 ... my avg is now in the mid-teens due to avging up and down and flipping on many occassions. The lower the price is, the more comfortable I feel holding a larger position.

I'm currently holding 72k shares of WAMUQ with an avg of about .16. If it gravitates back towards .10, i'll happily re-add another 25k or so.

I also have 8k WAMKQ with an avg price of $1.03.

This is just speculation money for me, not a serious investment, but i like my odds here to at least get another triple or quadruple with good news. I keep a core position of 25k UQs regardless and write this off as something i wont sell until settlement or they're worthless -- and a nice tax write-off to boot.
 

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Still buy into DNDN at $39?

DNDN?? Ehh, i dont like it much up here. A long while back when i used to post on Offshorebettor there was a guy that was gaga over DNDN. In this time frame, it's barely doubled while most of the china stocks i recommended have all tripled or quadrupled, or more.

But i dont like DNDN at these prices. It's priced for perfection, even though i realize their drug has already been approved, i still dont like the down-side risk at this point compared to the upside potential.

Might be able to ride it up into the low $50s, but i wouldnt buy the stock outright, i'd try to do it via Call Options if they're available.
 

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