Vince Young

[Insiders]

Guess who is the Nations passing leader? Vince Young!

Young's (168.6) rating is higher than Jason White's of Oklahoma when he won the Heisman (158.1) and low and behold higher than when the USC QB Matt Leinart when he won the Heisman (156.5). He may have trouble in the NFL, but i betcha that these stats get him there as a QB. No telling what they will be Next year if he comes back.

 

[WCBias]

Guess who is the Nations passing leader? Vince Young!

Young's (168.6) rating is higher than Jason White's of Oklahoma when he won the Heisman (158.1) and low and behold higher than when the USC QB Matt Leinart when he won the Heisman (156.5). He may have trouble in the NFL, but i betcha that these stats get him there as a QB. No telling what they will be Next year if he comes back.

I think the comparison you just made between Young and White is most telling...

 

[Insiders]

WC

I was a little more than shocked when i read those stats on those 3 QB's.

Now Jason White was NOT a NFL QB, but with the right fit, as Stoops did have, well he did have until the USC boys came along!!

 

[GoSooners]

With his height and ability to run the ball Vince Young reminds a little of Randal Cunningham. He has the ability to throw the long ball, but his touch on short to medium range passes needs help. I'm sure he'll get a few ideas where his weaknesses lie when he goes to the NFL mini-camps. If they feel like he isn't ready I think he'll stay at Texas another year to try and develop his skills. Then again some of these pro teams cream in their jeans at the sight of a 6'5 mobile QB who can run like a gazell. So it's a tough call whether he would make it. Given enough time as a backup on a team with a good QB coach might get him there. Personally being an OU fan, I hope somebody offers him $50 million and a solid gold Cadillac so they can get him the hell out of our hair and we can get back to kicking Texas ass like we're supposed to do every year.

 

[Slammy2002]

Young will be drafted high because he's such a great athlete. The problem with him is that he just doesn't read the field very quickly. Now, he will definately have an opportunity to prove me wrong against SC because the Trojans will be in some trapping zone defenses and I know Pete will tell both Scott Ware and Darnell Bing to read this guy's eyes and jump all over who he's looking at.
At the NFL level poor field vision coupled with bad mechanics is bad news. If he's able to pass on Troy he's ready to move on, if not he should still turn pro because Mac Brown is a shitty coach. But if he really wants to play QB it might take him 6 years..... But please don't compare him to Dante, that dude is pure pocket passer.

Personally I hope he keeps talking trash, I think it's really beginning to piss off Leinart and Co.

 

[roscoesdad27]

If vince comes out this year he will be the #2 pick. I don't see what's not to like about him. (except stereotypical bull-shit)


Vince Young on a scale of 1-5

Things you can't teach (I think we can all agree on these)

Arm strength 5 top 5-7 strongest arm in the WORLD
Size 4.5
LEADERSHIP 5 took over the leader role at the end of his first year, not
as quick as vick but just as fast and harder to tackle!
Speed/mobility 5 one of the FASTEST players on TEXAS
Character 5 not even a question.

Things you can teach (disagreements most welcome)

Accuracy 3.5 I must like his touch and accuracy more than most people on this board. Opinions are like ass-holes, :carto1710 :niceass: :bigone: every-body has one. The FACTS how-ever speak for themselves. #1 in passing eff. That right there is being ignored, or overlooked by the bashers simply because he can run?

Reading coverages 3 O.K. now stick with me. He has already MASTERED the option, which means that his ability to read defenses is there in a big way. Now all he has to do is LEARN to read the secondary the same way and he will be the best quater-back to enter the league since some guy named peyton.

The bottom-line is the ability to run is not a bad-thing. If Leinart could run I think his stock would drop with some of these posters!:lolBIG:


Now don't get me on Bush! The best player Iv'e EVER seen in college and think he will be unstoppable in the N.F.L.

 

[the_snowkid]

Young has 2 options when his UT career ends:

1) Learn how to run wideouts
2) Arena Football League

He is maybe the worse looking mechanics that I have ever seen at this level in the last 30 yrs

what he will do: get a FAT signing bonus and do whatever the hell he wants with the rest of his life

i would be sitting sidewaz in south beach with a couple of senoritas on my arms...

 

[Budworth22]

If vince comes out this year he will be the #2 pick. I don't see what's not to like about him. (except stereotypical bull-shit)


Vince Young on a scale of 1-5

Things you can't teach (I think we can all agree on these)

Arm strength 5 top 5-7 strongest arm in the WORLD
Size 4.5
LEADERSHIP 5 took over the leader role at the end of his first year, not
as quick as vick but just as fast and harder to tackle!
Speed/mobility 5 one of the FASTEST players on TEXAS
Character 5 not even a question.

Things you can teach (disagreements most welcome)

Accuracy 3.5 I must like his touch and accuracy more than most people on this board. Opinions are like ass-holes, :carto1710 :niceass: :bigone: every-body has one. The FACTS how-ever speak for themselves. #1 in passing eff. That right there is being ignored, or overlooked by the bashers simply because he can run?

Reading coverages 3 O.K. now stick with me. He has already MASTERED the option, which means that his ability to read defenses is there in a big way. Now all he has to do is LEARN to read the secondary the same way and he will be the best quater-back to enter the league since some guy named peyton.

The bottom-line is the ability to run is not a bad-thing. If Leinart could run I think his stock would drop with some of these posters!:lolBIG:


Now don't get me on Bush! The best player Iv'e EVER seen in college and think he will be unstoppable in the N.F.L.

I'm sorry, this is hillarious.
Here's a real scouting report, from a SCOUT. I'd also like to say that professional scouts don't give 1-5 scores out. But because thats the way you want to do it, alright.

Arm Strength: 2.5
Accuracy: 1
Overall Arm Score: 1.5
Size: 5
Athleticism: 5
Intelligence, Pocket Awarness, Ability to read defenses: 2

Overall thoughts: Young will have a difficult time transitioning to the NFL. major questions exist over whether he will be able to run even the most simplistic of NFL offenses. If he elects to play quarterback, he would need two years on the bench to learn how to read defenses and how to run an NFL offense. He will likely have a difficult time under center. Texas' offense asks him to do very little of what he would have to do in the NFL. Young does not appear to have major character red flags.

I talked to him about some other things also. Scouts don't evaluate leadership, largely because you won't be leading these same teamates in the NFL. He isn't as fast as Micheal Vick. Please try to be realistic here. Micheal Vick, Deion Sanders, Joey Galloway, D'angelo Hall, those guys are the guys who make scouts heads turn in their day with their 40 times. Scouts put little stock into a players college stats, especially big 12 quarterbacks. Jason White also had an unbelieveable passing rating.

One of the biggest things he harped on was mechanics. He said he had never seen anyone being considered to be drafted on the first day of the draft with as poor mechanics as Young.

I'm just wasting my time. Your claims are beyond ridiculous.

"top 5-7 arms in the world in arm strength"?

Please. He has average arm strength. It's above average for a college QB. It's below average for the NFL. The NFL is FULL of quarterbacks who can throw the ball through a wall, and can read defenses at an acceptable level. Vince Young will experience major culture shock. It's in his best interest financially to go in as a QB, because they make tons of money, then switch to reciever so he can get a second contract as opposed to being one and done.

He has already MASTERED the option, which means that his ability to read defenses is there in a big way. Now all he has to do is LEARN to read the secondary the same way and he will be the best quater-back to enter the league since some guy named peyton.

This gave me a good chuckle. There is a reason 1/3rd of high schools run the zone read option. None of them run an NFL or advanced college offense. There is also a reason why no NFL team runs the zone read option. You can't figure out that reason most likely.

When I first read your post, I thought it was a spoof, but I think you are serious. :smoking:

 

[dr03]

Bud, you arn't a scout. You say a lot of things from the AIM convos we have had.

 

[Budworth22]

Dr03, you AIM me nonstop using like a BILLION names. I've got 5 of them blocked. Never claimed to be a scout. I DO know a scout. That's all. Thanks dr.

 

[roscoesdad27]

Buttworth, first of all don't undermine my post with insults, or I will make you look like a bigger fool than Vince is going to make you!


Now, what the hell "scout" are you talking about? Average arm-strength?! Name one college Q.B. that has a a stronger arm. Then name another 30 or so to validate your "average" claim. Then try to name off 7 N.F.L. Q.B.'s. Vince has TREMENDOUS arm strength.

Vince's 40 time will have scouts turning their head! Vince is extremely fast, but he is not as quick as Vick. Can somebody please get me a forty time, I can't find it right now. I do remember reading where he was the fastest player on the team last year. (not sure about the freshman)

HE HAS THE #1 PASSING EFFIENCY IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL! Stereo-typical is the only word that comes to mind when I think of you giving him a 1 for accuracy.:assmad:

You obviosly didn't get the point, which is he CAN read defenses. I know he won't be running the zone option in the NFL, but I think he can use what he knows about reading linebackers and apply it to reading secondary's. Maybe I'm wrong, but to ASSume that he can't is moronic.

Vince will be much better than Mike Vick in due time.

HOLLA BACK!:youmad:

 

[Budworth22]

A few things. I'm a very average college football handicapper, and I'll admit that. But I do know a lot about schemes, etc. I also DO know a scout, and I know his feelings on a few major cfb players. No, please don't ask me to post his feelings on some obscure players. The 1-5 ratings I posted were my adaptations of his feelings on Vince Young. He, like other real NFL scouts don't rate things 1-5, or at least he has never done so or mentioned that rating system to me.

Name one college Q.B. that has a a stronger arm. Then name another 30 or so to validate your "average" claim. Then try to name off 7 N.F.L. Q.B.'s. Vince has TREMENDOUS arm strength.

Marcus Vick
Jamarcus Russell
Erik Ainge
DJ Shockley (although I think he's ovverated as a QB, he does have a rocket).
Darrell Hackney
Keller (Arizona State)
Rhett Bromar (you said arm strength, not talent)
He probably does have better arm strength than Leinhart.

NFL qb's with stronger arms.
Losman
Rothlesberger
Palmer
Boller
Manning
Leftwich
McNair
Trent Green
Kerry Collins
McNabb
Bledsoe
Eli Manning
Vick
Chris Sims (very strong arm)
AaRon Brooks
Culpepper
Farve
I am really not sure about the NFC west. Alex Smith was said to have a cannon, but I'll probably catch more flak for listing him than it's worth.

Thats 24. Your top 5-7 arms in the world Claim is clearly debunked. his arm will be in the bottom 25% of NFL starters, if he was ever to be an NFL starter, which he will not.

He is fast, he's not as fast as Mike Vick. He's not running sub 4.4. He's about as fast as McNabb was pre-sports hernia.

Again, please don't judge VY on his stats. Many of us could put up semi-acceptable numbers if we always had 1-1 coverage. And with the Running game/attack of Texas, that is what most defenses are forced to do, play man to man with little help. He won't see that in the NFL. I'm no idiot, I won't argue what his stats are. They are there. Jason White had better stats, and look where he is.

 

[Insiders]

Guess who is the Nations passing leader? Vince Young!

Young's (168.6) rating is higher than Jason White's of Oklahoma when he won the Heisman (158.1) and low and behold higher than when the USC QB Matt Leinart when he won the Heisman (156.5). He may have trouble in the NFL, but i betcha that these stats get him there as a QB. No telling what they will be Next year if he comes back.

As you will notice Youngs stats ARE BETTER than Jason White's

 

[roscoesdad27]

Dude, your "scout" or alter-ego is way off on his arm-strength.

*KEEP IN MIND IM TYPING ABOUT ARMSTRENGTH AND ARMSTRENGTH ONLY*


Marcus Vick possibly
Russell strong, but not quite
Ainge NO
Shockly Your retarded
Hackney close, but no
Keller NO
Bromar I like him but no



Losman please
Rothlisberger NO
Palmer a stronger arm? NO
Boller I live in MD. HELL NO
Manning neither Manning has a STRONGER arm then Vince
Leftwich NO
McNair NO
Trent Green slowly back away from the pipe:coke:
Collins ?????????????????
McNabb you can't be serios
Bledsoe MAYBE at one time, but not now
Vick VERY simialiar
Sims NO
Brooks NO
Culpepper NOT
Farve 5-10 years ago probably
Smith way to put on the brakes:lolBIG:


Vince Young ABSOLUTLY runs a sub 4.4...................easily. Him, along with Vick, will be the two fastest Q.B.'s in N.F.L. history. I'll bet you ANYTHING that his official 40 time is closer to Mike Vick then it is to McNabb. Now or when they was in college. Now your underestimating his speed too?

You think that you or any of us would put up decent numbers if we were the Q.B. at The University of Texas!ointer: Your silly!:coke:

 

[roscoesdad27]

Thank you Insider!


Some people can't appreciate talent. Can you find the 40 times for Mike Vick/McNabb/Vince Young for me?...... anybody?

 

[Budworth22]

Palmer a stronger arm? NO
Leftwich NO

I'm done arguing with you. Those 2 were the only I needed to see. You honestly believe that Vince Young has the second strongest in the world to Mike Vick.

Also, think about what you are saying...

I'll bet you ANYTHING that his official 40 time is closer to Mike Vick then it is to McNabb.

Really......Because McNabb ran 4.48, and Vick Ran 4.2 flat (some say 4.19, I'll stick with 4.2). With your statement you are saying you will bet me ANYTHING than his time is closer to Vicks (4.2) than McNabb (4.48).
I hope you realize that in order for you to be correct, he will have to run under a 4.34. 4.34 would be a Push! (4.48-4.34=.14)..(4.34-4.2=.14). You sure you want to do that Roscoe? Am I getting even odds on Young not to run under a 4.34??? Sweet.

 

[roscoesdad27]

Somebody please get me a 40 time for Vince Young. It will be close buttworth!

 

[roscoesdad27]

Where did you find that at buttworth?

 

[GoSooners]

I think a lot of people here forget that your only as good as the people around you. Young has a great offensive line blocking for him, which gives him the time to make those second and third looks to his receivers. He'll have to do it quicker in the NFL against allstar defenses or else use his legs to buy him time. But i've seen some of the stuff Vick does at Atlanta. You can't teach that. I disagree about Young not having that strong of an arm. This guy can throw it a mile. It's not arm strength that is Young's problem. And it's not really the short stuff either. It's the medium range passes that is his weakness. His excellent pass effeciency percentage has more to do with his short dump off passes to his tight end and RB on screens and short routes than anything else. I tend to disagree with some. I think Young can make it in the NFL. But in my opinion he's not the type of player like the Manning brothers who can just come in and play right away. He's got to relearn a bunch of things. The first thing he'll learn is how to carry a football. The second is learning to pass overhead instead of sidearm. Those kinds of passes will just be knocked down at the line of scrimmage by smart savvy defensive lineman. If you want to see a preview of what Young might see in the NFL just watch the USC game. Pete Carroll brought alot of the things he learned from the NFL with him to USC. And things like batting down passes and watching the QB's eyes are just two of the many things Young will have to deal with against the Trojans. Like I said Young will probably not be playing for at least a couple of years. Kind of like that last Texas QB Christine Simms, who had to relearn everything wrong that was taught to him at Texas.

 

[JARBrigger]

I guess I'll have to throw my 2 cents in on this topic of conversation...

Its really tough to project how well Vince will do in the pros. I think Sooners is right in that he's not near ready to play at that level. But keep in mind he's only started 30 college football games. Also, look at the progress that he made this year. Staying another year would definitely help prepare him for the next level. His mechanics are awful and I'm not sure how much a QB coach is going to be able to change him. The Texas coaches have tried and tried, only to realize that he's pretty effective doing it the way he is. He's definitely fast ... not going to say as fast as Vick (not many are). The big difference between he and Vick is Vince is so much stronger. Time and time again, defenders come in and hit him and he just shucks (is that a word?) them. Granted, he won't have quite the same success in the NFL, but the man is big, strong, and tough. I again agree w/ Sooners (man I hate when I do that!) that he can't make all of the throws necessary to be successful in the NFL. But again, I believe that is more a function of him not having enough game and practice experience to improve. The other skills that he possesses will help him compensate for his shortcomings in the passing area. He's been a winner everywhere he's played and read somewhere that he has 'it' -- not exactly sure what that means, but he is such a competitor that he refuses to lose and, somehow wills his team to victory. I hope he comes back for me as a fan and for Vince because he will continue to grow and improve w/ 12-13 more games under his belt. I'm not hopeful though, with the backpedaling that I've heard coming out of Austin, whether he's ready or not, I believe he goes. Too much $$$ waiting on him.