<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
LOL let's see here. Money = wedding gifts...and maybe paying for the wedding. Syrian passports? They were right on the border with Syria, I should hope they had passports. Satellite communications equipment?? Hmmm, maybe a few cellphones? Amazing how you can possibly make benign findings sound like something very different.
Even if the U.S ****ed up, we will never admit it. I hate that about our govt. Admit when you **** up and stop acting like George W Bush.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So war crimes trials for those in the helicopters?
LOL let's see here. Money = wedding gifts...and maybe paying for the wedding. Syrian passports? They were right on the border with Syria, I should hope they had passports. Satellite communications equipment?? Hmmm, maybe a few cellphones? Amazing how you can possibly make benign findings sound like something very different.
Even if the U.S ****ed up, we will never admit it. I hate that about our govt. Admit when you **** up and stop acting like George W Bush.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So war crimes trials for those in the helicopters?
Well, actually they're the kind of people who would kill over 3000 INNOCENT PEOPLE on our own soil, bomb and kill innocent people worldwide, and dance around in their grandma's panties and blow goats thinking it's normal.
Give me a break. I'm no fan of the war/the deceit laid upon us as rationale to invade, but that's history. The job, as I've said before is to focus back on the legitimate task, to find and eradicate the murderous militant cowards that kill and think it's right.
Let me remind you, Saddam and his cadre were genocidal maniacs. They killed thousands of their own people, and quite frankly I am sure if he had nukes he'd have used them.
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Give me a break. I'm no fan of the war/the deceit laid upon us as rationale to invade, but that's history. The job, as I've said before is to focus back on the legitimate task, to find and eradicate the murderous militant cowards that kill and think it's right.
Let me remind you, Saddam and his cadre were genocidal maniacs. They killed thousands of their own people, and quite frankly I am sure if he had nukes he'd have used them.
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Just more intellectual dishonesty from the left. Xpanda hears a story that makes the US look bad, so she immediately posts it without thinking that it might just be enemy propaganda. When called on her mistake, she doesn't bother thinking she might be wrong; she simply lectures us on how the Arabs know how to have more fun than us simpletons. And of course, the loyal D2bets, beholden to nothing but the Democrat party and getting joy out of every rumored American death and mistake because this might be what finally turns the tide against the GOP, automatically tries to spin Baathist propaganda into an attack on Bush.
Sad really. The dark clouds surrounding the Bush-haters is just sad. D2, while trying to spin the wedding story how about answering a few questions:
Where are the wounded? For every combat death there are typically 2 wounded...funny how no stories mentions the deaths. Could it be that the deaths were exaggerated?
And are we to assume that the dead were taken 250 miles away to Ramadi, then returned 250 miles back to be buried? Or is the good doctor just repeating what he heard from someone else when he claims 40+ deaths?
And why would a hospital in Ramadi handle dead/wounded 250 miles away? Most right-thinking people, being worried for one's well-being, would take the wounded to the hospital in Husaybah, which is about 50 miles away? What is the loony left's spin on that?
Sad really. The dark clouds surrounding the Bush-haters is just sad. D2, while trying to spin the wedding story how about answering a few questions:
Where are the wounded? For every combat death there are typically 2 wounded...funny how no stories mentions the deaths. Could it be that the deaths were exaggerated?
And are we to assume that the dead were taken 250 miles away to Ramadi, then returned 250 miles back to be buried? Or is the good doctor just repeating what he heard from someone else when he claims 40+ deaths?
And why would a hospital in Ramadi handle dead/wounded 250 miles away? Most right-thinking people, being worried for one's well-being, would take the wounded to the hospital in Husaybah, which is about 50 miles away? What is the loony left's spin on that?
BAGHDAD, May 19 -- U.S. ground forces and aircraft attacked a village in Iraq's western desert before dawn Wednesday, striking what Iraqi witnesses said was a wedding celebration but U.S. officials called a way station for foreign infiltrators. More than 40 civilians, most of them women and children, were killed, according to witnesses, Iraqi police officers and provincial health officials. Video footage from the scene showed fresh graves and the corpses of several children. A man in a red-and-white head scarf told the Associated Press Television Network: "The planes came in and shot the whole family. They kept shooting until the morning, until they destroyed all the houses. They didn't leave anything."
The images of civilian casualties, broadcast widely on Arab television, are likely to further inflame anti-American sentiment in Iraq at a time when U.S. forces are confronting armed resistance on multiple fronts.
U.S. officials acknowledged that their troops attacked in the area, saying they were responding to hostile fire. They later recovered weapons, large amounts of cash and other evidence of an insurgent supply route, officials said.
The attack on the village of Makr al-Deeb occurred at about 2:45 a.m. in the desert region near the border with Syria, the deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi, Lt. Col. Ziyad Jabouri, told the Associated Press.
Jabouri said between 42 and 45 people died, including 15 children and 10 women.
The Associated Press video from Iraq showed about 40 people digging or gathered around a set of dirt graves. A man who wore a white shirt said 26 people from one family were killed and five others were in serious condition.
Several people could be heard shouting anti-American slogans in Arabic. "Those Americans, they don't believe in God, they don't believe in anything," one man said.
Nine people surrounded a wooden coffin covered in cloth, loudly wailing and moaning. A tearful man dressed in white lunged toward the prone body of another man before being pulled away by others.
The body of a boy, who appeared to be 4 or 5 years old, was shown wrapped in a brown blanket, flies buzzing about his head. People around him identified him as Hamza Rikad. "Come here, help us," a man said on the video as they lifted the boy. "Take him by the hand."
"The U.S. planes dropped more than 100 bombs on us," one man, who said he was from the village, told the al-Arabiya satellite television network. "They hit two homes where the wedding was being held and then they leveled the whole village. No bullets were fired by us, nothing was happening."
Washington Post.
The images of civilian casualties, broadcast widely on Arab television, are likely to further inflame anti-American sentiment in Iraq at a time when U.S. forces are confronting armed resistance on multiple fronts.
U.S. officials acknowledged that their troops attacked in the area, saying they were responding to hostile fire. They later recovered weapons, large amounts of cash and other evidence of an insurgent supply route, officials said.
The attack on the village of Makr al-Deeb occurred at about 2:45 a.m. in the desert region near the border with Syria, the deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi, Lt. Col. Ziyad Jabouri, told the Associated Press.
Jabouri said between 42 and 45 people died, including 15 children and 10 women.
The Associated Press video from Iraq showed about 40 people digging or gathered around a set of dirt graves. A man who wore a white shirt said 26 people from one family were killed and five others were in serious condition.
Several people could be heard shouting anti-American slogans in Arabic. "Those Americans, they don't believe in God, they don't believe in anything," one man said.
Nine people surrounded a wooden coffin covered in cloth, loudly wailing and moaning. A tearful man dressed in white lunged toward the prone body of another man before being pulled away by others.
The body of a boy, who appeared to be 4 or 5 years old, was shown wrapped in a brown blanket, flies buzzing about his head. People around him identified him as Hamza Rikad. "Come here, help us," a man said on the video as they lifted the boy. "Take him by the hand."
"The U.S. planes dropped more than 100 bombs on us," one man, who said he was from the village, told the al-Arabiya satellite television network. "They hit two homes where the wedding was being held and then they leveled the whole village. No bullets were fired by us, nothing was happening."
Washington Post.
They have no guilt and have no shame. Every heinous act is done with the blessing of "Allah"
XP posted a link to the Bill Krystol, right-wing conservative site, and within that is a letter from this Camel-sodomizer, the butcher Zarqawi, to senior Al Q leadership (letter was recovered in a raid in Feb.)
Take a moment to read it and really see how completely foking looney tunes these bone-smokers are:
Zarqawi letter to senior Al Q leadership
I personally will volunteer to throw the match on the pyre that this fuk is strapped to, when we catch him.
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XP posted a link to the Bill Krystol, right-wing conservative site, and within that is a letter from this Camel-sodomizer, the butcher Zarqawi, to senior Al Q leadership (letter was recovered in a raid in Feb.)
Take a moment to read it and really see how completely foking looney tunes these bone-smokers are:
Zarqawi letter to senior Al Q leadership
I personally will volunteer to throw the match on the pyre that this fuk is strapped to, when we catch him.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shotgun:
Just more intellectual dishonesty from the left. Xpanda hears a story that makes the US look bad, so she immediately posts it without thinking that it might just be enemy propaganda. When called on her mistake, she doesn't bother thinking she might be wrong; she simply lectures us on how the Arabs know how to have more fun than us simpletons. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My mistake, eh?
U.S. stands by its attack on Iraqi wedding party
Last Updated Thu, 20 May 2004 20:59:20
BAGHDAD - The U.S. military says the attack that Iraqis say killed more than 40 members of a wedding party was no mistake.
A spokesman says the air and ground assault near the Syrian border was aimed at a sanctuary for suspected foreign fighters. [Sounds like they hit the wrong place, perhaps?]
"This is all lies. There were no fighters or resistance, it was just a wedding and the bride and groom were killed," said one of the survivors.
Local Iraqis say a large number of women and children were among those killed when aircraft pounded a building where a wedding celebration was underway.
But Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt says his forces had good reason to attack.
"It's important to understand that this operation was not something that just fell out of the sky. We had significant intelligence that caused us to conduct a military operation into the middle of the desert, 85 kilometres south of Husaybah and 25 kilometres inside from the Syrian border ... this is one of those routes we have watched for a long period of time, as a place where foreign fighters and smugglers come into this country."
Gen. James Mattis of the U.S. Marine Corps, said his troops have nothing to apologize for, adding, "Let's not be naive, bad things happen in wars."
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/20/world/iraq040520
To be sure, Shotgun, all news sources today are still saying this was a wedding party. Only those on the right seem to criticise the validity of this story by suggesting that there is little chance that a wedding celebration could be underway at three a.m. I was simply pointing out the fallacy of this argument.
Just more intellectual dishonesty from the left. Xpanda hears a story that makes the US look bad, so she immediately posts it without thinking that it might just be enemy propaganda. When called on her mistake, she doesn't bother thinking she might be wrong; she simply lectures us on how the Arabs know how to have more fun than us simpletons. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My mistake, eh?
U.S. stands by its attack on Iraqi wedding party
Last Updated Thu, 20 May 2004 20:59:20
BAGHDAD - The U.S. military says the attack that Iraqis say killed more than 40 members of a wedding party was no mistake.
A spokesman says the air and ground assault near the Syrian border was aimed at a sanctuary for suspected foreign fighters. [Sounds like they hit the wrong place, perhaps?]
"This is all lies. There were no fighters or resistance, it was just a wedding and the bride and groom were killed," said one of the survivors.
Local Iraqis say a large number of women and children were among those killed when aircraft pounded a building where a wedding celebration was underway.
But Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt says his forces had good reason to attack.
"It's important to understand that this operation was not something that just fell out of the sky. We had significant intelligence that caused us to conduct a military operation into the middle of the desert, 85 kilometres south of Husaybah and 25 kilometres inside from the Syrian border ... this is one of those routes we have watched for a long period of time, as a place where foreign fighters and smugglers come into this country."
Gen. James Mattis of the U.S. Marine Corps, said his troops have nothing to apologize for, adding, "Let's not be naive, bad things happen in wars."
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/20/world/iraq040520
To be sure, Shotgun, all news sources today are still saying this was a wedding party. Only those on the right seem to criticise the validity of this story by suggesting that there is little chance that a wedding celebration could be underway at three a.m. I was simply pointing out the fallacy of this argument.
The boys were just taking care of business!
As the director has said time after time,
YOU HAVE TO KILL ALL THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR NEXT TERRORISTS
Good day from the sand, a wedding to celebrate the DISHWASHERS stay in the prison.
March on boys, we need the dead body counts to start leaning towards the OVER.
We the Big Bully aka USA salute our MUSLIM/ARABS/DISHWASHERS/PALESTINIANS friends with MORE GRIEF everyday in their pisspour backyard.
Remember world the reason why you are still breathing is because WE allow it.
and the beat goes on............
As the director has said time after time,
YOU HAVE TO KILL ALL THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR NEXT TERRORISTS
Good day from the sand, a wedding to celebrate the DISHWASHERS stay in the prison.
March on boys, we need the dead body counts to start leaning towards the OVER.
We the Big Bully aka USA salute our MUSLIM/ARABS/DISHWASHERS/PALESTINIANS friends with MORE GRIEF everyday in their pisspour backyard.
Remember world the reason why you are still breathing is because WE allow it.
and the beat goes on............
More details emerge...I think it is pretty obvious that the early reports were false.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Dozens of people killed in a U.S. attack in the Iraqi desert Wednesday were attending a high-level meeting of foreign fighters, not a wedding, and photos shown to reporters in Baghdad support that belief, according to the senior coalition military spokesman.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said six women were among the dead, but there is no evidence any children died in the raid early Wednesday near the Syrian border.
Coalition officials have said that as many as 40 people were killed in the attack.
He said that video showing dead children killed was actually recorded in Ramadi, far from the attack scene.
An Iraqi man interviewed by The Associated Press as the bodies of women and children were unloaded from a truck for burial said they had gathered for a wedding celebration when they were attacked.
"There may have been some kind of celebration," Kimmitt said. "Bad people have celebrations too. Bad people have parties too."
Kimmitt said that troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate that a wedding had been held.
Most of the men there were of military age, and there were no elders present to indicate a family event, he said.
What was found, he said, indicated the building was used as a waypoint for foreign fighters crossing into Iraq from Syria to battle the coalition.
"The building seemed to be somewhat of a dormitory," Kimmitt said. "You had over 300 sets of bedding gear in it. You had a tremendous number of pre-packaged clothing -- apparently about a hundred sets of pre-packaged clothing; (It is) expected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries, they come to this location, they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets."
At Saturday's briefing for reporters in Baghdad, Kimmitt showed photos of what he said were binoculars designed for adjusting artillery fire, battery packs suitable for improvised explosive devices, several terrorist training manuals, medical gear, fake ID cards and ID card-making machines, passports and telephone numbers to other countries, including Afghanistan and Sudan.
None of the men killed in the raid carried ID cards or wallets, he said. "We feel that that was an indicator that this was a high risk meeting of high level anti-coalition forces. There was a tremendous number of incriminating pocket litter, a lot of telephone numbers to foreign countries, Afghanistan, Sudan and a number of others."
Kimmitt said while the location was purported to be a sheep ranch, there was no evidence of ranching activities and no livestock.
He said that the coalition would continue to have an open mind about what might have happened, and he conceded there were some inconsistencies still to be worked out.
"The more that we look at intelligence, more we dig in, more we are persuaded no wedding," Kimmitt said.
"We had significant, multiple sources of intelligence" before ordering the raid, he said.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Dozens of people killed in a U.S. attack in the Iraqi desert Wednesday were attending a high-level meeting of foreign fighters, not a wedding, and photos shown to reporters in Baghdad support that belief, according to the senior coalition military spokesman.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said six women were among the dead, but there is no evidence any children died in the raid early Wednesday near the Syrian border.
Coalition officials have said that as many as 40 people were killed in the attack.
He said that video showing dead children killed was actually recorded in Ramadi, far from the attack scene.
An Iraqi man interviewed by The Associated Press as the bodies of women and children were unloaded from a truck for burial said they had gathered for a wedding celebration when they were attacked.
"There may have been some kind of celebration," Kimmitt said. "Bad people have celebrations too. Bad people have parties too."
Kimmitt said that troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate that a wedding had been held.
Most of the men there were of military age, and there were no elders present to indicate a family event, he said.
What was found, he said, indicated the building was used as a waypoint for foreign fighters crossing into Iraq from Syria to battle the coalition.
"The building seemed to be somewhat of a dormitory," Kimmitt said. "You had over 300 sets of bedding gear in it. You had a tremendous number of pre-packaged clothing -- apparently about a hundred sets of pre-packaged clothing; (It is) expected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries, they come to this location, they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets."
At Saturday's briefing for reporters in Baghdad, Kimmitt showed photos of what he said were binoculars designed for adjusting artillery fire, battery packs suitable for improvised explosive devices, several terrorist training manuals, medical gear, fake ID cards and ID card-making machines, passports and telephone numbers to other countries, including Afghanistan and Sudan.
None of the men killed in the raid carried ID cards or wallets, he said. "We feel that that was an indicator that this was a high risk meeting of high level anti-coalition forces. There was a tremendous number of incriminating pocket litter, a lot of telephone numbers to foreign countries, Afghanistan, Sudan and a number of others."
Kimmitt said while the location was purported to be a sheep ranch, there was no evidence of ranching activities and no livestock.
He said that the coalition would continue to have an open mind about what might have happened, and he conceded there were some inconsistencies still to be worked out.
"The more that we look at intelligence, more we dig in, more we are persuaded no wedding," Kimmitt said.
"We had significant, multiple sources of intelligence" before ordering the raid, he said.
