U.S. Government Cracks Down on Websites Advertising Gambling Sites. 6 year Old Thread bumped

[WildBill]

Nice Lester, once again taking shots at me. Get in line. You read an article from THAT site and you think its like a directive from the White House or something? I said it time and again, if bettors or anyone accepting advertising don't like heat and would rather avoid the mess, then by all means stay out of it! That is simple and clear, you don't like trouble, you think you can do well without the trouble of feds then stay out. That is simple. Where in this article is there proof (and the source is rather dubious to begin with) that some crime was committed here? Why am I wrong when all the article says is be sure to follow the law??? I said before percentage payments are wrong, that is essentially bookmaking in almost all states.

As for turning over accounts, I would like to see what the feds do with it. I want to see a trial on this very issue, I have a feeling a judge will laugh so hard at the feds he would pee his pants and tell them to go waste their time in church.

I still haven't seen a law broken here and the Justice Department telling people to stop is a joke. Since when do law enforcement people send out a letter saying, "we know you are doing something illegal, but we will let you off the hook unless you don't stop doing it". Come on, that sounds about as stupid and unrealistic a concept as you can get. If people are breaking the law, they go in and get them and bring charges. If they are not breaking the law they should leave them the hell alone. I know the DOJ likes to throw their weight around, but just because they are doing it doesn't mean I am wrong or that any laws are being broken here. I really have no idea what these guys are up to, sounds like a big-time fishing expedition though.

Someone get a backbone and put these morons in their place is all I ask for.

 

[LouDiamond+]

...or maybe they were in violation on certain things and decided it was in their best interest to stop all book ads to turn the heat down a little.

What I don't understand is how you can tell people to get a backbone to break the law. Why don't you spend a couple bucks and get a legal opinion before you spout off sh!t like this.

 

[JoeyC]

It seems to me that if an advertising source accepted funds for ad payment, that's one thing.

IF AN ADVERTISING OUTLET ACCEPTED A PIECE OF THE LOSSES, THAT'S MAY BE ANOTHER THING.

The DOJ put advertisors on "notice".

Most likely, those who comply will avoid costly litigation and be left alone, those who do not comply with the request will have more battles to fight at a later date.

The DOJ has all the money and manpower it needs to prosecute a "test case" or two, and most likely it will from non-compliant advertisers.

Is MW,Rx or 911 going to kick out paid advertisors, or risk the high cost of litigation ( civil and or criminal)?

 

[WildBill]

Cause I don't have to. Don't run or own a site and don't care what they tell me. How many people are in jail for gambling right now? Outside of people that stole money to do it they are rather small in number, a number that is damn close to zero.

A lawyer will probably tell you just do as I do Lou. He will say, well its not technically illegal, but if the Feds don't like you then they will harass you so to play it safe you probably should not take ads. You would (well guess you did) pay money for that inconclusive line of thinking???

 

[LouDiamond+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildBill:
A lawyer will probably tell you just do as I do Lou. He will say, well its not technically illegal, but if the Feds don't like you then they will harass you so to play it safe you probably should not take ads. You would (well guess you did) pay money for that inconclusive line of thinking???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong. There was no probably, there was no inconclusive.

Just some guy, in denial, on the internet acting like a lawyer. But I'm getting that for free.

Joey,
The internet only portals who don't recieve a % are differnt animals.

[This message was edited by Lou Diamond on October 10, 2003 at 11:40 PM.]

 

[voodoxxx]

This comes from a source that is so bad, and has already hurt the industry and been sued fo r just such crap.talking about something he knows nothing about.

 

[LouDiamond+]

Vodoo,
Do you see any more ads on Best, Fiest or Roots sites? I didn't.

 

[WildBill]

What is the point of arguing with Lou, he just comes to bastions of internet gambling and wants to scare people. I clearly state to anyone and all I am not a lawyer, I just repeat what lawyers have told me is the law on the books of the federal government. If you are scared of the laws and the federal government's ability to throw you in jail for betting offshore, I am betting that you are probably not reading this.

 

[lester]

WildBill you are wrong. The ads are gone. I am not listening to Sting he is an idiot. Maybe Dana will let us know what happened or someone can ask him.

As far as laughing judges go I was talking about the ADVERTISING ACCOUNTS not the accounts of the people that bet.

Where do you work again?

 

[lester]

This is from freespeechlaw.com

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Part of the Central Hudson test used to evaluate the legality of gambling advertising restrictions requires the Court to look at whether the underlying conduct is "legal." This produces an interesting quandary for the future reviewing courts since the legality of online gambling in the United States is currently the subject of conflicting Court decisions and opposing, proposed legislation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure there are other lawyers out there that agree but I don't want to spend any time finding them, WildBill please go back to whereever you came from and quit misleading people.

P.S. When there is a "grey area" in the law is when the power of the federal government is most abusive. They will push and push and push and give no thought to what they destroy.

They couldn't have picked an easier target than the touts. They are all probably burning the midnight oil putting together dossiers on all the books that advertised with their services. Color coded and in nice binders for the feds reading enjoyment.

 

[LouDiamond+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I just repeat what lawyers have told me is the law on the books of the federal government. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems to me you claimed you received your info from lobbyists. Now it's lawyers.

What lawyers are those?
Are they gaming experts?
Did you pay for this advice?
If not, Why would they give you this advice?

 

[Sugarbear]

If we knew then. What we know now. What would you change?

Positivly incredible how much the offshores have changed since the begining of the end, of the old offshores just 6 years ago this month. Back when the DOJ started there campaign of terror by issuing all those cease and decist letters to any and all whom accepted gaming advertising money.


It all seemed so inoccus back then. Comply and there is no problem. Ok. Fine.
Whats tens of millions of dollars lost when ones freedom may be at stake.

Little did we know then about all those cases they were building up. Cases we started finding out about in 2005. One after another and then BAM Carruthers of BOS goes down. And many people whom were making a great living in those times went with him. Some fled. Others were whiped sawed and yet others still sold what they had or had left to whomever would buy it.
Buyers whom in many cases are/were purely incompetent and should have never been let into the buisness.

It was the time of the GREAT PANIC.


Remember those days and the times leading up to UIGEA and all the hysteria that went with. The anguish, the fear, the parinoia exhibted by almost all as we went line by line and detail by detail over any little thing that came out in those times of 2005/2006. The times when the feds said they were going to shut us down and do away with offshores. They were going to develop technolgy to block us from betting or even accessing gambling related sites.
They were going to deputize the banks to turn us in for gambling.

All of it seem so real and true by the time the great 2006 bash came around.

As a society were scared. Some thought the feds were going to bust into the party because a bunch of people from an offshore web site met in LAS VEGAS to talk about gambling. :howdy:

I mean seriously.

All of this mind you was before netteller went down.


THEN IT WAS really OVER everyone said. We went from great panic to ABANDON SHIP! That got rid of almost all the bonus whores and other assorted riff raff including dubious books FAST. We were in a free fall and everyone that was left was running for the hills or playing at greatly reduced levels. Most times both at the same time. Agents were getting busted at this point also, others were dropping like flys.

The end was here. All were sad and scared. But many stayed the course all the same. It really was a dark time. How would we ever get through we thought to ourselves.


Now look around and what do you see. Did we really go through all that just to come out doing the same thing as always. But in more responisble and regulatory minded ways.

Did the feds really do us a huge favor by doing the dirty work for us? They do deserve a lot of credit for chasing away what passes for criminal and nefarious activity in this society. A lot of incomptent people went along with them from the managment side also.

What was left, in a lot of ways, was what there was before. A lot of the right people, commited to doing the right things, to provide a safe and secure betting envioroment for us all.


We survived it all and we are better as a society for it. Things are better than ever and the future looks bright for the offshores.


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