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It's not easy at all. You're talking rounding up about 11 million people (never seen the number as high as your estimate of 30) spread out over nearly 4 million square miles.
You don't have to round them all up, once you start deporting them and people don't hire them for fear of going to jail they will start to leave on their own.
 

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Laws are already on the books, including the wall building, just enforce the damn laws and we wouldn't be in the trouble we are. He needs no laws passed for 90% of his agenda, no laws at all. We won't need to round them up. If you take away the legal ability to work and to receive welfare, they will leave. There are immigration laws addressing all of these problems. They just have to be ENFORCED.i f you take away the freebies they will SELF deport.


On top pf that:

Trump got the MEXICAN president to AGREE that the border needs to be
secured, AGREE to renegotiate NAFTA, and AGREE that illegal border crossings
need to stop. And as a bonus, the MEXICAN president gave the
Dumbo/Hillary regime a backhanded slap in the face by talking about guns being
smuggled into Mexico.

That would be a Win, Win, Win, and a bonus WIN for Trump.
In AMERICA, that’s not just called a home run, it’s a GRAND SLAM!



 

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Mantis, should they stay or go? It's a simple question.

This isn't some theoretical debate. If you lived near the border and illegals were trespassing onto your private property causing havoc, you wouldn't view this in abstract political terms.

We can discuss specific policies once proper leadership starts making the right decisions.

Right now, we have multiple levels of government (welfare programs, law enforcement being TOLD to turn a blind eye, NWO judges and elected representatives who don't believe in borders) corrupting this issue and flaunting existing law(s).

Like Trump says, either we have a country or we don't. Lest anyone forget, it was Democrats who broke the immigration system in the first place for their own political benefit. They are the last people I would listen to for "answers" and advice.

Create a national immigration force to round up and deport 11 million people? Impossible. Join reality man. We aren't pussies or soft just realistic.
 

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Create a national immigration force to round up and deport 11 million people? Impossible. Join reality man. We aren't pussies or soft just realistic.

Nah, you only have to round up a handful and the rest will leave by themselves. Cut them off from every possible benefit and enforce existing laws.

Trump's plan is a good start.

No amnesty.
 

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There are many hard working Latino people here illegally. I have many on my jobsites. They are good people. The thing about them is they are smart. I am not so sure they want to become citizens. The thing that pisses me off about them is they send a shitload of money back home. Its hard earned money, and they are skilled at what they do, but they should be taxed as well. They buy nice tracks of land, build a nice homestead and move back. Thats their dream. Its like they are here mooching off the system.

My take....start enforcing the boarder strictly. Build a wall, let Mexico pay a large part of it. Give the ones here a 12 month period to get legal status after being vetted. After that, make them live in the middle class. The plan will backfire on Dems because the working illegals make good money. No way they would pay their fair share then vote Dem....no way.

Deporting 11 million illegals would cripple the construction and poultry industry where I live. That cant happen because lazy whites and blacks wont do their jobs.
 

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E-verify and start prosecuting people who hire them.

Another thing that could be done is have the IRS seize assets (homes, cars, bank accounts) from ALL illegal aliens. Raises money, fosters self-deportation.

Instead, Hussein directs his corrupt govt to target law-abiding American citizens, while turning a blind eye to virtually every illegal alien activity, including violent crime!
 

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There are many hard working Latino people here illegally. I have many on my jobsites. They are good people. The thing about them is they are smart. I am not so sure they want to become citizens. The thing that pisses me off about them is they send a shitload of money back home. Its hard earned money, and they are skilled at what they do, but they should be taxed as well. They buy nice tracks of land, build a nice homestead and move back. Thats their dream. Its like they are here mooching off the system.

My take....start enforcing the boarder strictly. Build a wall, let Mexico pay a large part of it. Give the ones here a 12 month period to get legal status after being vetted. After that, make them live in the middle class. The plan will backfire on Dems because the working illegals make good money. No way they would pay their fair share then vote Dem....no way.

Deporting 11 million illegals would cripple the construction and poultry industry where I live. That cant happen because lazy whites and blacks wont do their jobs.

Lazy whites and blacks? How do they currently make their living? How do they eat? Food stamps? Easy solution!

The truth is, getting rid of illegal aliens is not a difficult thing to do. The toughest part is getting rid of all the worthless corrupt politicians and replacing them with real-world problem solvers.
 

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Lazy whites and blacks? How do they currently make their living? How do they eat? Food stamps? Easy solution!

The truth is, getting rid of illegal aliens is not a difficult thing to do. The toughest part is getting rid of all the worthless corrupt politicians and replacing them with real-world problem solvers.

I dont know what your profession is, but you cant just kick them out. There is a way to go about it....not just removing them.....it would be an economic bomb in many parts of the country.
 

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I dont know what your profession is, but you cant just kick them out. There is a way to go about it....not just removing them.....it would be an economic bomb in many parts of the country.

His profession? Trolling me.

Joe doesn't live in the United States and has no idea what's going on in this country.
 

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Nah, you only have to round up a handful and the rest will leave by themselves. Cut them off from every possible benefit and enforce existing laws.

Trump's plan is a good start.

No amnesty.

Where did you get the 30 million number btw?
 

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Where did you get the 30 million number btw?

Ronald Reagan's much-heralded amnesty estimated about 1 million of illegals would be eligible. The real number turned out to be well over 3 million. So 11m x 3...

The common 11 million figure amnesty-advocates use comes from a dated Pew research study from 2005 - over 10 years ago! Things have changed quite a bit since then.

Other surveys like this one (http://www.steinreport.com/BearStearnsStudy.pdf) say the number is closer to 20m.

Illegals don't register when they cross the border, so nobody knows how many are here.

Buyer beware: when the government reassures the American people only 11m would be eligible, there is no way of putting the genie back into the bottle if they are wrong or lying, and we all know the government is never wrong and never lies, right? Remember the Reagan precedent. Remember Obamacare. I could go on and on.

Another thing for the amnesty crowd to consider: the Heritage Foundation estimates legalizing 11m illegals would cost well over 7 trillion, which of course is why limited government Republicans like Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, McConnell, McCain and the rest of the DC scoundrels love amnesty!

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer

There you go, realists.
 

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It's a fantasy number that you'll see used on websites like Breitbart.

Cue Dave with a comment on my love of Breitbart.

The political/pundit/think tank class have been using 11m for over a decade because if the public knew the number was closer to 20-30m+ they'd be less sympathetic to "the cause" and just might figure out that amnesty for tens of millions of people who don't sharer their values is cultural and economic suicide - anything but 'realistic' and 'practical'

You would think our Republican leadership would have learned something after the Reagan fiasco, but no, same idiots flogging the same failed government 'solutions'...
 

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