Trump has decided to do something that hasn't happened in 72 years.

[Willie99]

The cost of the wall is estimated to be around 25 BILLION dollars. You are an accountant, what percentage of 25 billion is 135 million?

How do we measure the amount of money illegals make tax free and then send back to their families to spend in other countries?

Because I'm an accountant, I observe all this stuff first hand.

And how many billions do we spend EACH YEAR supporting illegals? We probably have spent north of a trillion dollars supporting illegals. Like most liberals, your arguments are pennywise (only when it fits your narrative) and pound foolish.

 

[BZ]

Winning the war is how it will end, not making the same stupid mistakes both W and the big .OOO made.

WINNING

Winning the war? Seriously. Define what the even means. There is no winning this war.

 

[ScottL]

Winning the war? Seriously. Define what the even means. There is no winning this war.

None of us here receive the daily intel briefs our presidents are privy to, so there is always much we can't know. Yet we've had 3 presidents over the past 17 years that, no matter how they felt campaigning, all decided to increase troop levels in Afghanistan.

Bush responded to 9/11 with an ultimatum to the Taliban to turn over OBL. They refused and we invaded. Should we have done nothing while OBL and his America hating allies planned 9/12?

Obama campaigned in 2008 that we needed to quickly leave Iraq in order to fight the 'real WOT' in Afghanistan. Then he left Iraq a hellhole and increased troop levels in Afg.

Trump campaigned (on little info) that we should be finished with Afg. As president he has more info and now he also has decided to increase our presence there.

All 3 presidents, all with differing mindsets and values, decided American troops needed to be in Afghanistan.

But let's assume instead we follow the BZ strategy and just get out now.

What do we do next?

BZ, how do you respond if Afghanistan returns to being a terror base for groups intent on targetting the US?

How will you feel when schools filled with 6-12 year old Afghani girls -- girls who sometimes cross bodies of water protected by American troops to get to a school -- are blown up day after day by the Taliban and AQ? Thousands of girls blown to bits. Because that is what will occur if we just leave now.

Finally, what message does it send to other American allies who we've promised, "America will not abandon you," when we just leave?

You say there is "no winning this war." Ok then, how does America win otherwise? What is the BZ Plan?

 

[BZ]

None of us here receive the daily intel briefs our presidents are privy to, so there is always much we can't know. Yet we've had 3 presidents over the past 17 years that, no matter how they felt campaigning, all decided to increase troop levels in Afghanistan.

Bush responded to 9/11 with an ultimatum to the Taliban to turn over OBL. They refused and we invaded. Should we have done nothing while OBL and his America hating allies planned 9/12?

Obama campaigned in 2008 that we needed to quickly leave Iraq in order to fight the 'real WOT' in Afghanistan. Then he left Iraq a hellhole and increased troop levels in Afg.

Trump campaigned (on little info) that we should be finished with Afg. As president he has more info and now he also has decided to increase our presence there.

All 3 presidents, all with differing mindsets and values, decided American troops needed to be in Afghanistan.

But let's assume instead we follow the BZ strategy and just get out now.

What do we do next?

BZ, how do you respond if Afgfhanistan returns to being a terror base for groups intent on targetting the US?

How will you feel when schools filled with 6-12 year old Afghani girls -- girls who sometimes cross bodies of water protected by American troops to get to a school -- are blown up day after day by the Taliban and AQ? Thousands of girls blown to bits. Because that is what will occur if we just leave now.

Finally, what message does it send to other American allies who we've promised, "America will not abandon you," when we just leave?

You say there is "no winning this war." Ok then, how does America win otherwise? What is the BZ Plan?

I never indicated a strategy of get out now. I asked for a definition of what winning is as it relates to this situation? Willie and others, including drumph, have attempted to dumb the solution down to simply winning the war. You don't think that was the intent of the previous two administrations? You don't think that was the intent of all those actually fighting and dying?

There is no simple solution and his speech the other night did not outline anything new or specific.

 

[ScottL]

^^^What I think was you answered my post with a bunch more questions?

 

[Dave007inVegas]

134.9 million in foreign aid has been earmarked for Mexico this year. Zero has been sent. Thanks for the down payment Mexico

There are many ways to force Mexico to pay for the wall.
That's just one of them. Johnny is not an accounting whiz.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I never indicated a strategy of get out now. I asked for a definition of what winning is as it relates to this situation? Willie and others, including drumph, have attempted to dumb the solution down to simply winning the war. You don't think that was the intent of the previous two administrations? You don't think that was the intent of all those actually fighting and dying?

There is no simple solution and his speech the other night did not outline anything new or specific.

Here is the Governments definition of winning this type of war. You dick around
for many years and spend treasure and lives. Then when you're unwilling to do what
it takes the win, you split what ever country you're fighting into North and South,
leave a contingency of troops and declare victory.

If recent history is any indicator this is h0w Afghanistan will be resolved.

 

[JohnnyMac]

There are many ways to force Mexico to pay for the wall.
That's just one of them. Johnny is not an accounting whiz.

135 million is 0.54% of 25 billion.

That genius in the White House will have Mexico pay for the wall in just 200 easy installments! With nothing down, and 0% interest!

How's that for accounting? See, it isn't so hard. Most of us learn math in the 8th grade, and then move on to bigger things.

 

[BZ]

Here is the Governments definition of winning this type of war. You dick around
for many years and spend treasure and lives. Then when you're unwilling to do what
it takes the win, you split what ever country you're fighting into North and South,
leave a contingency of troops and declare victory.

If recent history is any indicator this is h0w Afghanistan will be resolved.

I agree although doubt in this war there would be any split. The current government is too weak and more than likely would be over run. So again, the question that needs answering is what exactly is winning in Afghanistan? And is this country willing to sacrifice resources and lives?

 

[ScottL]

Nah, no split of Afg. Already a bunch of tribal regions controlled by dozens of different warlords. Was probably unstable region by region before we entered in response to 9/11

 

[BZ]

How much will be saved yearly not having to patrol, arrest, support etc once the wall is built.

Maybe that's the math you should be factoring ya stupid fuck tard.

Talk about fuck tard- you think there would be no more patrolling if a wall was built?

 

[ScottL]

In his recent standup George Lopez said Trump better build that wall in one day, "because if you leave those materials and shit out overnight....."

 

[Dave007inVegas]

135 million is 0.54% of 25 billion.

That genius in the White House will have Mexico pay for the wall in just 200 easy installments! With nothing down, and 0% interest!

How's that for accounting? See, it isn't so hard. Most of us learn math in the 8th grade, and then move on to bigger things.

I guess you missed the word many. And by the way I'm very impressed with your math skills.