Tomlin

[Willie99]

he really is an idiot, his team was chasing all day because of him, always on the short end of what was needed

Dallas could win or take the lead with just a FG the entire 4th qtr, changes defensive strategies entirely

 

[sendacash]

Not that I agree with his decisions, but maybe because he knows what a dumpster the Steelers have for a defense that Tomlin feels the need to score every last point possible?

 

[mango]

Steelers have the 13th ranked D in scoring (6th in AFC) so I don't think that's a valid argument.

 

[jasonc69]

He'll just go off on a reporter when he's asked about it. He never takes the blame for anything! Pittsburgh would've been up 4 when Dallas got last possession. Big difference when u got to have a td vs just needing 3!!

 

[sdf]

Steelers entered today's game 14-of-17 on two-point conversions over the last three seasons, according to @sportingcharts numbers.

 

[jasonc69]

Steelers entered today's game 14-of-17 on two-point conversions over the last three seasons, according to @sportingcharts numbers.

Well now they 14-21. Lol

 

[jasonc69]

It's so not the point whether they've been successful or not. It's just not enough reward for the risk

 

[AlistairCookie]

Steelers entered today's game 14-of-17 on two-point conversions over the last three seasons, according to @sportingcharts numbers.

Yes, people are very short sighted and don't get the big picture.

 

[AlistairCookie]

It's so not the point whether they've been successful or not. It's just not enough reward for the risk

If they score more points by going for 2 then it is most certainly worth it. If you want to argue that it cost them the game today, by means go ahead. But using a sample size of n=1 is never anything more than anecdotal.

If you disagree with the strategy, you aren't disagreeing with Tomlin you are disagreeing with math. You are literally saying that you would like to employ a strategy that gets you less points.

 

[mango]

Steelers entered today's game 14-of-17 on two-point conversions over the last three seasons, according to @sportingcharts numbers.

How many of those were no-brainers like being down 2, up 1 or 5? How many were against the Browns and other teams that are less likely to comeback to haunt you? I think going for four 2-point conversions against a 7-1 team with the 4th ranked D makes it a non-winning strategy.

 

[OverThinker]

How many of those were no-brainers like being down 2, up 1 or 5? How many were against the Browns and other teams that are less likely to comeback to haunt you? I think going for four 2-point conversions against a 7-1 team with the 4th ranked D makes it a non-winning strategy.

i don't know the numbers but I do know they go for it quite often on their 1st td of the game. As I mentioned their strategy is typically go for it on 1st td then if they convert (which they do quite often) then they go back to kicking the xp, if they don't convert then they go again attempting to make their point back and they almost always get one of those 1st 2, hell they usually convert the 1st to start out with 8.. I don't recall ever seeing them never get and continue chasing it like today!!

 

[OverThinker]

If they score more points by going for 2 then it is most certainly worth it. If you want to argue that it cost them the game today, by means go ahead. But using a sample size of n=1 is never anything more than anecdotal.

If you disagree with the strategy, you aren't disagreeing with Tomlin you are disagreeing with math. You are literally saying that you would like to employ a strategy that gets you less points.

Exactly, not sure why what I mentioned keeps getting disregarded? Most analytics say going for 2 is the right strategy. Before I even saw the numbers of how successful they have been I was pretty confident pit converted well over 50% which means it is in fact the right strategy considering it not only gets them more points than taking the xp but we talking about a extra point that is not a given anymore.

 

[OverThinker]

Just today I've seen 2 extra point kick attempts blocked (1 returned for a score!) and at least 1 miss (prob more that just all I saw). I do think it was somewhat crazy to continue going for the 2 today but their strategy has proven effective since the xp has been moved back.

 

[mango]

Exactly, not sure why what I mentioned keeps getting disregarded? Most analytics say going for 2 is the right strategy. Before I even saw the numbers of how successful they have been I was pretty confident pit converted well over 50% which means it is in fact the right strategy considering it not only gets them more points than taking the xp but we talking about a extra point that is not a given anymore.

There's also stats that favor always going for it on 4th down, but doesn't mean it's the correct strategy for NFL.

Plus I don't think 17 is enough sample size to say whether it's effective or not, especially when you don't know important variables such as team strength and situations. It's like saying 14 of 17 coin flips came up heads so next one should be heads. I'm sure if Tomlin went for 2pt after every TD for the rest of the season, it'll end up a lot closer to 40% success rather than 82%.

 

[OverThinker]

There's also stats that favor always going for it on 4th down, but doesn't mean it's the correct strategy for NFL.

Plus I don't think 17 is enough sample size to say whether it's effective or not, especially when you don't know important variables such as team strength and situations. It's like saying 14 of 17 coin flips came up heads so next one should be heads. I'm sure if Tomlin went for 2pt after every TD for the rest of the season, it'll end up a lot closer to 40% success rather than 82%.

a lot closer to 40% than 80%? Obviously, since we being incredibly loose with numbers I'll make very easy generalized statement it would be way closer to 50% than 40% since that a fact. Extra point (from where it is now) and 33 yard fgs historically hit about 95% of the time. 2 point conversions have historically been slightly less than 50% but since we talking variables it most likely isn't a big practice point by most teams. A team with as much offensive talent as pit should be expected to convert 50% which would make it more productive to go for 2..think most research and conversion rate numbers for xp from that distance vs going for 2 say going for 2 comes out very slightly above kicking the xp..

All that said honestly I thought continually going for it today was a mistake but overall I have no problem with steelers strategy I've just never seen them take it this far.