To Redskins Fans

[C-Gold]

Is Campbell the answer?

I've only got to watch 2 WAS gms this season in it's entirety. Their first vs NYG, and now this monday nighter. It really seems to me that Zorn is tayloring this offense due to Campbell's weakness. Zorn sees he can't throw deep balls, and isn't very accurate, so he designs these ultra safe plays that even Campbell can't screw up. And now I see the only reason why Campbell had that great INT free streak going was he doesn't throw balls near his receiver, or the defender! Well, that changed tonight.

I'm from Hawaii, so obviously I would love to see Brennan in. But even Collins would be a better option for WAS, because Campbell can't lead this team down the field if he has too. I swear he did it a few times last yr, but he looks absolutely atrocious out there! Has he looked like this all season? I am never going to make WAS a POW for me again, unless he's not starting. If WAS doesn't get a lead early, or gets down big, WAS will NEVER come back. I didn't like Campbell at Auburn, and I've liked him even less in the pros. And now that my man Brennan is behind him, I like he even less!

Please enlighten me WAS fans. Can Campbell lead this team to a super bowl? Grossman/Dilfer/Brad Johnson comparisons can not be said here because those teams had THE best "D" in the land, so it didn't matter what QB was back there. WAS's "D" is nowhere near those CHI/BAL/TB "D"s.

The exact stuff I have been saying since last year !!!

Of course you aren't going to have interceptions when on 3rd and 10, you are throwing a 3 yard checkdown. His offense is so low risk it isn't even funny. Joe Gibbs wouldn't let him call audibles last year at all. He didn't call 1 audible in the entire 2007 season. Zorn has given him a little more responsibility, but he has brought him along slow.

Campbell holds onto the ball too long, and he has too long of a release. His strength is a strong arm, but his skillset doesn't match the west coast offense that is quicker and more timing based.

How can that not drive you nuts? All of the WR screens, RB screens, check downs, and TE drag routes to cooley.

 

[WormyPix]

C-Gold! Finally, the answer I was looking for!

I guess what I was really trying to say was what you mentioned here. His slow release, his slow reads, and the short passes on 3rd. I was wondering if he was doing that all season because WAS has been doing terrific thus far. I guess as long as Campbell is QB, all opposing "D"s have to do is stack the line to stop Portis, and let Campbell beat them.

Also, PIT wasn't getting that much pressure on him. WAS was getting better pressure on Ben! And a few "deeper" incompletions I saw Campbell throw, the WR was open. Yes, I like PIT's "D", but on the same note, Campbell did have time on many occasions.

What I'm trying to get at is I feel WAS is doing exactly what those said Super Bowl CHI, BAL, and TB teams did. They're trying their best to win gms despite their QB. But why do that when you have 2 very capable QB's behind him? Why taylor your "O" just to have a certain QB start the gm? I mean Collins came in last season and really performed like a QB should, leading them to the playoffs. Both Collins & Brennan could hand the ball off to Portis too. And they could also complete longer passes. Why settle for less? I question Zorn's call there.

And I've watched many of his Auburn gms. I was shocked to see him go in the 1st. And I'm shocked to see him still the starter. Can you imagine him in OAK or KC right now?

 

[ZJP6050]

Also, PIT wasn't getting that much pressure on him. WAS was getting better pressure on Ben! And a few "deeper" incompletions I saw Campbell throw, the WR was open. Yes, I like PIT's "D", but on the same note, Campbell did have time on many occasions.

7 sacks isn't enough pressure for you?:lolBIG:

 

[WormyPix]

Yes, but how much of that was Campbell not throwing the ball away, or making his reads faster?

You're right though, and like I said, PIT did a good job. But a quicker release and decision maker back there would've changed that sack total.

 

[kreitmaster]

He was under pressure all night. I'm sure you thinking of one sack in particular where he backed up for awhile and clearly should have thrown the ball away. But the other sacks were not his fault and he did not miss many open receivers because they struggled to get open all night. The second interception was on Devin Thomas who ran his route incorrectly leading to the pick. C-Gold is just hating and has clearly overlooked the tremendous things Campbell has done this year. If you want to see the caliber quarterback Campbell is, find the tape of weeks 2 thru 6 where he played like the top 5 QB he is more than capable of being.

 

[ZJP6050]

Yes, but how much of that was Campbell not throwing the ball away, or making his reads faster?

You're right though, and like I said, PIT did a good job. But a quicker release and decision maker back there would've changed that sack total.

you have to give credit where credit is due my man. campbell hasn't gotten sacked like that against any other team, he just hasn't faced a D like pittsburgh

 

[pickofthelitter]

i am a washington fan...

campbell....as of right now...no he cant not lead his team to a superbowl...future maybe...what you hard judging people need to remember its only his 4th year and learning a new off,
as far as holding the ball yea he does so some sacks are on him but if your wr isnt open i guess you would hold the ball too... if you people also notice..he doesnt throw alot tds anyways..even in his awesome games he throws completions and check downs and manages games while portis does the scoring...so clearly coming into that game i knew as a wash fan we were in trouble because of that excellent PITT def....
a side note also...when campbell was at auburn he was known for his deep ball, so maybe if he has time he could prove hes still got it... campbell all and all isnt as bad as the good NYG and PITT def made him look...hes young and i see huge improvements this year then from last year...but he deff needs to speed up his timeing and release of the ball and give his line a break.. but the 1 st poster said can he will a superbowl....i think hes alot better chance of doing it then colt does...and i am a good fan of colts..but to put jason down cuz of 2 games and then say a rookie QB with no experiance game time would be better off? my thought to you would be to watch somemore skins games and youll better understand game management!

 

[WormyPix]

Oops, didn't see that you were from Penn! Of course, PIT did an excellent job, buuut STL got 4 sacks on Campbell, and DET 2. So I feel that there's a problem with either WAS's pass blocking or Campbell himself. I mean, I gave credit to NYG's "D" for sacking Ben 5 times, and PHI's for 9 sacks, but don't you see a trend? PIT's oline is not blocking well. If they gave Ben more time to throw, those outcomes may've been different. Get a better QB for WAS, and monday's outcome may've been different.

Imagine if Todd Collins was in for WAS, and Ben had stayed in the whole gm for PIT. Would the gm been the same?

 

[WormyPix]

Well, it has been great seeing everyone's opinions! This is what the Forum is all about.

We shall see in the yrs to come. I strongly believe Colt will end up being a better QB than Campbell in time, and that Zorn is kind of wasting away this "D" and run gm. By the time Colt gets in, that may all go away. I know, I'm a MIA fan, and Jay Fiedler did that there. I feel sorry for WAS fans, because they could be super bowl contenders now.

 

[ZJP6050]

Oops, didn't see that you were from Penn! Of course, PIT did an excellent job, buuut STL got 4 sacks on Campbell, and DET 2. So I feel that there's a problem with either WAS's pass blocking or Campbell himself. I mean, I gave credit to NYG's "D" for sacking Ben 5 times, and PHI's for 9 sacks, but don't you see a trend? PIT's oline is not blocking well. If they gave Ben more time to throw, those outcomes may've been different. Get a better QB for WAS, and monday's outcome may've been different.

Imagine if Todd Collins was in for WAS, and Ben had stayed in the whole gm for PIT. Would the gm been the same?

haha watch it! not just a homer:lol: but would the outcome have been different? who knows...we still didn't give up more than 6 points. i think it's a little unfair to bash their QB, he's still done great things in their 6 wins. it's a matter of zorn loosening the reigns a bit. his situation seems to be like matt cassel's in NE, the playbook has been minimized to a short pass game. campbell will be alright i'd say...he's better off than colt

 

[sm.time.gmblr]

Under a first year system he has progressed effectivly. Is he a stud at QB.....far from it at this point.

Has he shown progression during the season.......look at the tape and you will be surprised. Did he slum it up during the MNF game,,,,,I was 15 rows up and yes Pitt dominated all areas of the game 2nd half. The first half was a well balanced game. One thing I noticed is that the center did not do a good job of direction. They were flustered by the outside pressure of Pittsburg at times.

All in all, performance was dismal at best on the offensive side. The defensive front 7 were phenomenal. 27 was average, and 22 looks like he can't plant and go as quick as he used to. I firmly belive with a healthy 24 pitt would of scored 1td less.

Anycase, Zorn is adding a few plays everyweek for Cambell, thus dumbing down the offense to a point. I believe that the bye week will serve well for the offense.

Regardless, it's bye week, and plenty of time to regroup. The true colors of the NFC East will be exposed this month. Wait until December to bash or rave.

 

[Jstack34]

Ignorant fans come on here and bash a quarterback they havent watched. People have bad games, get it through your head-just because he threw 0 TDs does not make him a bad quarterback. Asking for Brennan and Collins is the most rediculous suggestion i have ever heard. Go watch the pre-season tape, not the stats. Brennan thrived vs 4th stringers and Collins did not throw a pass longer than 10 yards because he was obviously a product of Al Saunders system. Not more than 2 or 3 times in the Steelers game did Campbell have good protection. You point out 2 sacks vs detroit? Last i heard of 2 sacks is not very bad, secondly you point out 4 sacks vs St. Louis? Hmmm maybe look at who was injured those games? Stephon Heyer-the starting guard was injured so Jon Jansen, who was benched for a reason(pass blocking maybe?) was in. The team is stronger rushing with Jansen but they are just horrible with pass blocking with him in the game, its sad. Keep judging quarterbacks on the few games you saw, and comparing Chicago defense to Washington this year? Washington is top 10 and has held high powered offenses in check, because last time i checked, Arizona, New Orleans, Dallas(with Romo), and Philadelphia were all considered high powered offenses right? Warner and Brees MVP candidates right? So who won us those games? Was it our weak defense? Or our offense that can't move the ball?-------Last thing, if you think Campbell can not throw the deep ball, you should not be posting about him. The one knock on him coming into the year was he was a QB who throws the deep ball and could not adjust to the West Coast System...Get a clue before bashing a player and a team

 

[arniesarmy]

All I know is that Washington didn't come on last year until Campbell was off the field and Collins was in.
Campbell made some awful decisions Monday night, holding onto the ball when he was out of the pocket.
I hope the Redskins keep Campbell all season. There will be money to be made.

 

[Jstack34]

All I know is that Washington didn't come on last year until Campbell was off the field and Collins was in.
Campbell made some awful decisions Monday night, holding onto the ball when he was out of the pocket.
I hope the Redskins keep Campbell all season. There will be money to be made.

Wow, way to bend things around, Todd Collins had played under Al Saunders system for 10 years and obviously knew what he was doing. But the main reason the team thrived is because it rode clinton portis, just as it did in the 05 season when they won 5 straight to reach the playoffs. The team was 5-3 last year under Campbell but injuries to Sean Taylor, Shawn Springs(when is he not injured), and importantly Santana Moss held the team back along with Gibbs play calling from 1985. If Collins was that good, would he really have played so bad vs Seattle in the playoffs? He made a few awful decisions on Monday Night vs a very good defense that obviously he was not ready for along with most of the team. Whole team outplayed, not just him.

 

[AlistairCookie]

I guarantee Campbell is far better than 5'10 side winding 165 pound Colt Brennan.

I'm glad you like him, but this is funny. You're upset because people don't "know" Campbell while in the same sentence you do the exact same thing about Brennan.

Colt Brennan is 6'2 or 6'3", 200-205lbs depending on where you look.

 

[kreitmaster]

I was exaggerating to make the point that Brennan is too small to play QB in the NFL regardless of what the team makes up for his height and weight.

 

[WormyPix]

Indeed, I wish I had watched more WAS gms. Then I wouldn't have played them monday.

I can see there are those that are passionate about Campbell, and I suppose that's what the coaches see in him too. I know he has a strong arm, but not an accurate arm. Jamarcus Russell can throw 50 yds on his knees. I think people are making excuses for why Campbell is making poor decisions and not leading this "O". I still believe there are better options. If WAS wants to continue to struggle vs teams with good run "D"s, so be it.

 

[Jstack34]

To be honest, Washington isnt a team to blow people out and most games will be relatively close. If you recall, Phily was leading the league in run D and the Redskins were still able to beat them pretty easily. Not making any excuses or anything but the thing is, the team is 6-3, 2 of the losses he takes part of the blame-Pitt and Giants-altho the whole team was flat there, but the St Louis loss cant be put on Campbell. He constantly lead them down the field, but Cooley fumbled in St Louis territory, an o line men fumbled and had it taken to the house-deflating and campbell lead them back to take the lead before the defense gave up a 40 yrd bomb on 3rd and 15- Campbell has done a good job so far and they are 6-3, I will take 11-5 or 10-6

 

[mj23mg]

i'll take 9-7. we are not that good. JC takes two steps forward one week and Three steps back the next. It is the most frustrating thing to cheer for this team. I don't think its time for the todd collins or colt brennan talk yet but if the shit hits the fan which it may Colt Brennan may be a bigger star than Obama in DC

 

[jimzorn]

campbell doesn't throw the deep ball because of the west coast offense.

the west coast offense is a safe way to win games in the NFL. all you really need a good running game and strong defense, coupled w/ a QB that doesn't make mistakes and u can go quite far..

you can say the WestCoastOffense (WCO) limits you, as it does if you fall behind and have to throw the ball more, but that same logic can be applied to any team that falls behind big.

The truth is the WCO is boring football that has had good success ..

And Even a half talent can execute the WCO because you ain't gunna throw many INT's if you throw the ball <10yrds