Three killed, 34 injured in Austria after man drives into crowd....can we discuss car control or must we still wait on that?

[ScottL]

The American military has never removed their presence from any nation on earth once they got their boots on the ground

I realize many of my fellow Americans support this, my mention was only to note the futility of attempting to control other people by whatever means.

The analogy could have as easily been the failed attempts of Russia/USSR to take over Afghanistan, to hold control of the European Eastern Bloc, the Chinese trying to control Japan in the 19th century, the Brits hoping to control the USA in late 18th century/early 19th century; the Brits attempting to control the many nations they once ruled (India, South Africa, Ireland etc)

If guns, bombs and other violent "enforcement" will not rein in a population of human beings, then "stricter laws" within a domestic society are an even more absurd method to try and "Control" humans

I understand we are on a different topic and only responded to your digression. I also would posit that the US military remains in many nations due to the wishes of said nation.

I think your examples are flawed because (again) we are not conquerors like Russia, China or colonial Britain.

You have mentioned to me in the past about the MIC and your view that it's a beast that must be reconstituted even if it involves conjuring up reasons to attack other nations. We disagree on that.

Insofar as our views that the US gov't can't fix anything by instituting more laws to control people we are in agreement. I believe the US gov't to be a bloated and inefficient entity. We probably agree on that as well, and on social policies and drug laws etc.

 

[Ricboff]

Just look at our government's now decades old foreign policy.

However one might support (or not) the use of our military, our goverment tells a sovereign people "Comply with our orders on how to live in your country or we will bomb, shoot and otherwise kill you". And yet, shockingly those same people pretty much fail to comply.

So therefore it seems rather unlikely that threats of a fine or even a jail sentence can deter free-thinking citizens (of any country) from doing pretty much whatever they want.

We could modify, enhance, multiply the various federal and state laws pertaining to guns and even ramp up actual enforcement of said laws/regulations and anyone who is intent on defying those rules will do so with impunity

This poor fuck who shot up the church in Charleston did not need "Stricter gun control laws" to interupt his choice to be violent.

Rather, he would have perhaps been making different choices if he had not been raised by parents and/or lived in a community that promotes the message that black Americans are subhumans and worthy of destruction

So enough discussion about "more gun control"

Spend your time teaching your kids that all human beings are worthy of respect and that violence against their fellow humans is wholly counterproductive.

Then and only then do we have a legitimate shot at a reduced level of violence both in our country and in other countries around the world

amen


you been reading The Tao ?......dagone........

 

[ScottL]

I am a dentist. I love to go to bars near closing time, instigate fights and then hand my card to the loser.

WTF is wrong with you?










LMAO

 

[Enfuego]

The American military has never removed their presence from any nation on earth once they got their boots on the ground

I realize many of my fellow Americans support this, my mention was only to note the futility of attempting to control other people by whatever means.

The analogy could have as easily been the failed attempts of Russia/USSR to take over Afghanistan, to hold control of the European Eastern Bloc, the Chinese trying to control Japan in the 19th century, the Brits hoping to control the USA in late 18th century/early 19th century; the Brits attempting to control the many nations they once ruled (India, South Africa, Ireland etc)

If guns, bombs and other violent "enforcement" will not rein in a population of human beings, then "stricter laws" within a domestic society are an even more absurd method to try and "Control" humans

Not true.

 

[Ricboff]

just trying to make a living, my man........get some damn interesting cases that way .............

 

[Enfuego]

The rate of mass shootings in the United States has tripled since 2011.

 

[SgtLanquel]

RICHOFF, funny stuff aside, in fact I was introduced to The Tao during the month's following my wife's (extremely successful) quadruple bypass heart surgery in Jan 2012

It joined some learning I had been directed to in the previous 18 months and extends thru the past three years.

It would be fair to say I have come to adopt a mostly Buddhist-mindset with regard to dealing with most everything in life

My, and her health has never been better. My business projects have literally trebled in size and it has been a very long time since I became very exorcised about much of anything at all.

Clearly in a world that has so much attempting to seize my (and your) attention and inviting arguments and judgement of other people, a story like this obviously (spiritually) unconscious young man in South Carolina seems "irresistible".

Actually, it's not that hard to ignore. I'm here to share a cyber brew with old friends far more than I am to take any particular stance or POV

 

[SgtLanquel]

Not true.

OK....the US military did pretty much completely and permanently pull out of Vietnam in the 1970s, due mainly to having had their ass steadily kicked over the previous decade.

Yet that example even more soberly supports my primary theme in previous post.

We (the US Armed Forces in collaboration with the South Vietnamese) killed the opposition at a ration of over 40x1 during our time there and still they pretty much forced us out.

No level of rules, law or heavy handed enforcement can restrain a group of human beings from doing what they wish.

So spare me the cry for "more laws!" per gun control, sexual behaviors, drug use, drug distribution etc. It's a hopeless and counterproductive use of valuable human resources

 

[SgtLanquel]

ENFUEGO, I am sincerely glad you made it home safely from your various overseas travels.

I think people like you are far more valuable here at home raising a happy, peaceful family and building a happy, peaceful community.

Makes me feel great about two of my three adult kids making their homes in that Colorado

 

[Ricboff]

RICHOFF, funny stuff aside, in fact I was introduced to The Tao during the month's following my wife's (extremely successful) quadruple bypass heart surgery in Jan 2012

It joined some learning I had been directed to in the previous 18 months and extends thru the past three years.

It would be fair to say I have come to adopt a mostly Buddhist-mindset with regard to dealing with most everything in life

My, and her health has never been better. My business projects have literally trebled in size and it has been a very long time since I became very exorcised about much of anything at all.

Clearly in a world that has so much attempting to seize my (and your) attention and inviting arguments and judgement of other people, a story like this obviously (spiritually) unconscious young man in South Carolina seems "irresistible".

Actually, it's not that hard to ignore. I'm here to share a cyber brew with old friends far more than I am to take any particular stance or POV

glad to hear. I think the Buddhist-mindset is a wonderful way to live, see life.



peace and cheers

 

[Enfuego]

ENFUEGO, I am sincerely glad you made it home safely from your various overseas travels.

I think people like you are far more valuable here at home raising a happy, peaceful family and building a happy, peaceful community.

Makes me feel great about two of my three adult kids making their homes in that Colorado

Why don't you just post as Barman? This is stupid.

 

[vitterd]

Why don't you just post as Barman? This is stupid.

Because he finds himself more amusing than anyone else does.

 

[roadreeler57]

Trump Is Calling For ALL Concealed Carry Permit Holders To Do THIS…
Conservative Post ^ | 11/18/2015
Posted on November 19, 2015 at 00:03:26 EST by BlackFemaleArmyCaptain
DONALD TRUMP HAS NEWS FOR ALL CONCEALED CARRY HOLDERS...
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is serious about the right to bear arms. Our country is at a time of potential threat from ISIS terrorists and with an influx of Syrian refugees, many are on high alert. Trump issued a statement to Breitbart calling for all concealed carry permit holders to actually carry.
He said"
"There are nearly 13 million concealed carry permit holders in the United States who are part of the 100 million gun owners who defend the Constitutional right to "keep and bear arms." This fundamental liberty is held closest by those who have gone through the process of vetting required to be entrusted with the ability to defend themselves, their families and their property with concealed weapons. The concept of concealed carry is as much intended to deter criminal activity as it is to provide direct defense of those who have those permits. Not all concealed carry permit holders "carry" all the time. Thus, the deterrent value is that those who might contemplate criminal behavior will think twice when that doubt exists.
Carrying a weapon is not always feasible or appropriate. However, given the increased tensions that are the result of continued, escalating terrorism around the world, more legitimately armed individuals on the streets is a positive outcome. Each permit holder must make the decision to carry or not carry. I will carry more often than I have in the past, and I am sure other concealed permit holders will do the same. Do we have an obligation to carry? The answer is "yes," but we must do it in such a way as to raise serious doubts in the minds of those who might be considering violence in America...

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