This should be your criteria when voting for the next President

[Oceans11]

Mud:
Kuwait was actually invented by "Great Britain" as a buffer to reduce sea access(and power) for Iraq when the Brits unassed the area during the breakup of empire.

You can see the same kinda arbitary straight lines in Africa if you look at an atlas as France, Britain etc unassed their colonies.

Theres a small strip of land called the Wakhan Corridor at the east end of Afghanistan.
Its a tiny strip of India that the Brits invented (handed over) to separate India and the old Russian (Tsarist) empire.

Just blame the Brits.

 

[WildBill]

That is a good one, I am sick because I believe in doctors making decisions, not politicians. Whatever. Can I call people sick because they support people that want to kill doctors for religious beliefs?

 

[GAMEFACE]

Wildbill,

you are sick for supporting the murder of full grown babies. goodness gracious is necessary to murder a full grown baby?

 

[WildBill]

Can I say you are for the murder of their mothers then? What if your wife/girlfriend was pregnant and that was causing life threatening complications, would you still be against this? Would you say "honey, lets see what happens"? I highly doubt it. Yet that is what the vast majority of partial birth procedures is done for. The religious nuts found a few cases where maybe the mother wasn't on her death bed and started calling these "elective", but I don't think you would find many doctors in this country that would do this just for the hell of it. Once again, I trust doctors a lot more than I trust politicians to make the right decisions when it comes to health.

 

[Massmilwaukee]

WB,

So true... cons just don't understand what a slippery slope is. You let politicians start deciding what you and your doctor can discuss and eventually talking about prophylactics is illegal.

 

[barman]

WILDBILL, it's interesting to see that no matter what Topic Truthteller opens with, before it hits Page 2, he is calling those of us who are pro-choice, "Sick fukks, twisted pieces of $hit, profanity, profanity"

Someone that incoherent can't really be viewed as very serious about open dialouge.

Hell, he believes that if my wife terminates a pregnancy that she should be charged with homicide of a child. Here in Florida that would mean death by execution.

Someone that loose with life is no one to take seriously on matters as important as voting for President.

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Bush Lied, My Brothers and Sisters Died

 

[truthteller]

The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act would ban performance of a partial-birth abortion except if it were necessary to the save a mother's life. The bill defines partial-birth abortion as an abortion in which the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, and then kills the baby. The bill would permit use of the procedure if necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

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Pat Buchanan and Bill O'Reilly for the White House

 

[barman]

MASSMILLW: You let politicians start deciding what you and your doctor can discuss and eventually talking about prophylactics is illegal.

BAR: Ah yes indeed. Now THAT'S an indicator of who to vote for as President.

GW Bush and his AG, Rev John Ashcroft have attempted to have medical doctors arrested and jailed if they talk about medical marijuana with their patients.

They took their case all the way to the SCOTUS, who in a 9-0 decision told them to bugger off.

GWB and Ashcroft believe that if a cancer patient uses medical marijuana that they should be arrested and put in a federal prison cage for decades.

Now THAT'S sick stuff.

Those religious whackos have already put friends of mine with terminal illnesses in prison for 10+ years with no chance of parole.

Meanwhile, John Kerry has stated clearly that he will order the DEA to cease and desist with all of their militarized raids on medical marijuana hospices.

 

[barman]

TT: The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act would ban performance of a partial-birth abortion except if it were necessary to the save a mother's life. The bill defines partial-birth abortion as an abortion in which the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, and then kills the baby. The bill would permit use of the procedure if necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

BAR: And what you know full well is that the complete language of this law will lead to its being bounced by the courts as unconstitutional, but enjoy it while you can.

 

[Oceans11]

As a kinda semi-neutral on the abortion issue.
(only the choice bit bothers me.)

I view it as a technical thing, I am non-partisan (euromuppet-its been a non-issue here for decades) so there is no right or wrong, its more a case of what you can best live with.

You have lots of poor and unemployed in the USA anyway, millions of 'em.
Your country is fuxxing loaded with ghettos.

So whats with the big deal about having yet more babies who will live in abject poverty and squalor until they die in misery??

Its ok, as long as they exist..but don't ask for any help with healthcare costs or other civilised responsibilities??

Is Mr God taking the mick?

 

[truthteller]

Yeah, I will enjoy it since it will be saving lives.

You people are no different from Hitler. You deserve to be called worse than sick fuks, twisted piece of shit. You are murderers and need justice served to you for advocating murder.

 

[Massmilwaukee]

Then yes TT, because I believe in doctor/patient confidentiality, I am a sick twisted **** that believes abstinence education is a joke and you sport, are the dullest tool in the shed with a broken handle thats only existence is to scrape the shit off of ones shoes.

 

[jimbutorac]

Truth,

I tried this question in another thread but do you care to answer, I'd just like to know:

Since abortion to you is akin to murder, do you support the bombing of abortion clinics?

 

[GAMEFACE]

WildB,

I'm not sure if you don't know or you're playing mr. dumbo but a doctor would still have the right to save the mother. the sick part is to murder a full grown baby. you radicals really show your face on this one. we are talking about a full term grown baby.

 

[WildBill]

Please Gameface, there are laws in most states stating that if the baby is viable outside the womb it takes a court order to allow any sort of abortion. Full grown baby my ass, that is a ridiculous comment to make.

I have said it numerous times before, if the "radicals" really prefer, there are some in the medical community that have said they can induce labor, deliver a baby, and just watch it die a natural death because is incapable of surviving. Would that be humane enough for you all? Oh wait, these are the people that sometimes argue some forms of birth control that block a fertilized egg from attaching to a uterus is murder. Whatever, not even worth arguing the point any more. Call me Hitler or whatever you want, just makes me laugh even more. All I know is thankfully you all are just crying from the losing side of the law right now. Say you are right, see if I care. I know what the law and courts say and since they are the final arbitrator here, my viewpoint WINS!

 

[truthteller]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudbone:
Truth,

I tried this question in another thread but do you care to answer, I'd just like to know:

Since abortion to you is akin to murder, do you support the bombing of abortion clinics?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I don't support people killing doctors in abortion clinics. However, I do believe in KARMA