Things you didn’t know about the Bible

[AlistairCookie]

I was not including you in that cluster.

That post was directed at StackinGreen, not you - should've quoted him.

I would add that while I have claimed to be posting facts, I am posting facts which are based in evidence that are independently verifiable. I know that you believe that there is a creator, but saying THIS IS A FACT is, with due respect no one has ever in the history of civilization provided any independently verifiable evidence that there is a creator.

Someone's personal experiences can certainly be convincing on a personal level, but simply believing with all of their heart and being, and absolutely knowing with 100% certainty that Jesus is real is not evidence, nor should anyone expect that others would be convinced much less converted by it.

And I must repeat myself here, staring up at the heavens and saying to yourself "this is so amazing that I cannot conceive how it came about therefore it must have been created by someone" is not evidence for this claim being true. This argument is commonly referred to as the God of the Gaps and is a logical fallacy.

"But Alistair, where did we come from?" people will clamor. And my response is always the same: "I don't know.

 

[AlistairCookie]

Jesus was the only Person that ever said He came from Heaven. NO other religious leader ever said that nor ever would.

OK I broke down and read your wall of text. I really, really wish that you would use the return key.

Anyway, where did Jesus say this? Please cite the Chapter and Verse. Thanks.

 

[festeringZit]

That time when Jesus said he’d be back within a generation but then 2000 years later and people are like “get ready y’all the end is nigh!”

Again you need to do your homework.

Jesus was referring to his coming back in judgement in AD 70, with the sacking of Jerusalem. This is a very common
position called preterism.

You clearly are quite ignorant on these issues.

 

[festeringZit]

You are confusing spiritualism with religion... spiritualism always was and always will be because it is the way it's supposed to be. Religion was man-made for power, control and greed. This is fact.

I'm not confusing anything. You sir, are redefining the common definition of terms to try and win an argument.

 

[festeringZit]

Is there a book that is more cherry picked for beliefs than the Bible?

Imagine a God who creates a god-breathed book but no one can agree on what it means. There are literally 1000s of sects of Christianity and you ALL think you are right. EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF YOU think that you have a one-way ticket to paradise and no one else except the people in your sect are invited.

That's not even the crazy part. The crazy part is that all of you KNOW this is true, and still believe it.

More bad information and borderline lies. There are not 1000s of sects, especially when you consider the core fundamentals.

 

[Willie99]

I know some of you live your life on a book written and copied by hand over a period of 1400 years, but did you even know about some of the weird shit in it (or that’s not in it)? I’m guessing you don’t.

Since it’s Christmas Eve and you nut jobs are all up in arms about the liberalz taking the Christ out of Christmas - did you even know that Christmas and all of its traditions are just appropriated from the Romans, the Druids, the Norse and the Celts who were living in the early part of the millenium. Yule logs, Christmas trees, holly, mistletoe Dec 25th, presents and even Christmas carols were all traditions practiced by pagans loooong before the baby Jesus made it into your minds and hearts.

Nowhere, of course, in the Bible does it mention anything about Jesus’ birthday, let alone its being Dec 25. The Roman emperor Constantine just picked Dec 25 because the Romans were already celebrating the birth of the Sun God on that day. So remember to say Happy Solstice and Merry Saturnalia and think of the Pagans of lore who gave you all of the traditions that you celebrate this time of year when you say Merry Christmas.

next: barbecuing with God

weird

why? why on earth would anyone bother to make this post? Are they angry? hateful? maybe they think smarter than others and this somehow proves it?

There's nothing wrong with the teachings of Christianity, absolutely nothing.

The Judea / Christian value system is what established the greatest and most prosperous country in the history of mankind, the fabric of which is being gradually torn apart by the a-moral society being advocated by atheists, especially hate filled atheists

Some people should heed their own advice, and grow up

 

[rwjr]

weird

why? why on earth would anyone bother to make this post? Are they angry? hateful? maybe they think smarter than others and this somehow proves it?

There's nothing wrong with the teachings of Christianity, absolutely nothing.

The Judea / Christian value system is what established the greatest and most prosperous country in the history of mankind, the fabric of which is being gradually torn apart by the a-moral society being advocated by atheists, especially hate filled atheists

Some people should heed their own advice, and grow up

cheersgifagree with Willie 100% ..... hopefully cookie & sportsbookdata ( along with a few others .... looking at you SAL SANTORRE hno: ) will take & heed Willie's advice

 

[AlistairCookie]

weird

why? why on earth would anyone bother to make this post? Are they angry? hateful? maybe they think smarter than others and this somehow proves it?

There's nothing wrong with the teachings of Christianity, absolutely nothing.

The Judea / Christian value system is what established the greatest and most prosperous country in the history of mankind, the fabric of which is being gradually torn apart by the a-moral society being advocated by atheists, especially hate filled atheists

Some people should heed their own advice, and grow up

yes you got me, I’m soooo angry that I made a post on the Internet.

why do Christians accuse people of being angry, gay or stupid all the time? The only people acting Ngry on this thread are the Christians.

If there’s nothing wrong with the teachings, point out what I’ve said which directly contradicts that assertion instead of resorting to ad hominem, rhetorical flourish and republican talking points. You’ll be the first if you dO.

 

[rwjr]

C'mon cookie ..... spill your guts , tell us why you hate God so much

 

[AlistairCookie]

More bad information and borderline lies. There are not 1000s of sects, especially when you consider the core fundamentals.

”more” as if you’ve pointed out any before this. It’s at this point that I have to ask you: When are you going to stop lying and why are you so angry?

As defined here, world Christianity consists of 6 major ecclesiastico-cultural blocs, divided into 300 major ecclesiastical traditions, composed of over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries, these denominations themselves being composed of over 3,400,000 worship centers, churches or congregations.' (Barrett et al, volume 1, page 16, Table 1-5, emphasis added)
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http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm

Are there 1000s of sects that have completely different beliefs? No, and I’ll admit to some laziness in that assertion with regards to present day. However, this is quibbling with the ice cream man for putting five drops of shit in your cup of ice cream and he tells you not to worry because there’s only one. There most certainly are 100s of sects who interpret the “word of the lord” differently, and if you go back to the first Christians would you really be surprised to find 1000:more throughout history?

As for the core fundamentals, those have evolved over time as well but you know this I’m sure. The The Bible and the belief system that it has spawned has been used to justify untold atrocities and horrors throughout history from burning people at the stake for blasphemy to justifying slavery to hiding pedophile priests from prosecution.

 

[festeringZit]

”more” as if you’ve pointed out any before this. It’s at this point that I have to ask you: When are you going to stop lying and why are you so angry?

As defined here, world Christianity consists of 6 major ecclesiastico-cultural blocs, divided into 300 major ecclesiastical traditions, composed of over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries, these denominations themselves being composed of over 3,400,000 worship centers, churches or congregations.' (Barrett et al, volume 1, page 16, Table 1-5, emphasis added)
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http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm

Are there 1000s of sects that have completely different beliefs? No, and I’ll admit to some laziness in that assertion with regards to present day. However, this is quibbling with the ice cream man for putting five drops of shit in your cup of ice cream and he tells you not to worry because there’s only one. There most certainly are 100s of sects who interpret the “word of the lord” differently, and if you go back to the first Christians would you really be surprised to find 1000:more throughout history?

As for the core fundamentals, those have evolved over time as well but you know this I’m sure. The The Bible and the belief system that it has spawned has been used to justify untold atrocities and horrors throughout history from burning people at the stake for blasphemy to justifying slavery to hiding pedophile priests from prosecution.

Your blather is faulty.

It was actually Christians that fought against, and ended the slave trade.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/h...rce-and-abolition-of-slave-trade-did-you.html

There is no place in the Bible that comes even close to justifying burning someone at the stake, so for you to insinuate such
is either outrageous ignorance, or just plain lying.

There is also no place in the Bible that encourages pedophilia. Now if you want me to criticize the Roman Catholic Church for their handling
of pedophile priests, I'll be the first one to join you. But you can't put that on Jesus, the Bible or Christianity.

 

[festeringZit]

Alistair,

I'm guessing that you worship at the altar of Darwinism? And push the idea that man evolved from apes, that evolved from swamp goo, that evolved from... nothing? Or maybe you worship at the alter of Dawkins, who pushed the idea that we got here because some alien passed by and blew a load on earth? (yes, he did indeed push that idea).

The idea of universal common descent, and that evolution occurred through random mutations is one of the biggest shams foisted upon mankind.

It takes a lot more blind faith to believe that garbage than it is to believe that there is an intelligent designer that created it all.

 

[Willie99]

yes you got me, I’m soooo angry that I made a post on the Internet.

why do Christians accuse people of being angry, gay or stupid all the time? The only people acting Ngry on this thread are the Christians.

If there’s nothing wrong with the teachings, point out what I’ve said which directly contradicts that assertion instead of resorting to ad hominem, rhetorical flourish and republican talking points. You’ll be the first if you dO.

You can't even comprehend your own words, not a compassionate thought to be found

Just anger and hate

 

[Willie99]

In my world, people can celebrate everything and anything they want to celebrate if it makes them happy and they're not harming anyone. The OP chooses to judge them harshly, presumably because he thinks he's smarter than them

Then the OP thinks he's making some intellectual presentation of argumentative fallacies, and fails miserably at that too. Why? because he can't even identify the argument being made, so he chooses to attack a straw-man. I'm calling the OP a small man for starting threads like this. He thinks I'm angry he disagrees with me when I couldn't care less about what he thinks. I just think mean people suck.

Have a great day (hope that's not too offensive)

 

[AlistairCookie]

Alistair,

I'm guessing that you worship at the altar of Darwinism? And push the idea that man evolved from apes, that evolved from swamp goo, that evolved from... nothing? Or maybe you worship at the alter of Dawkins, who pushed the idea that we got here because some alien passed by and blew a load on earth? (yes, he did indeed push that idea).

The idea of universal common descent, and that evolution occurred through random mutations is one of the biggest shams foisted upon mankind.

It takes a lot more blind faith to believe that garbage than it is to believe that there is an intelligent designer that created it all.

thank you for them almost perfect representation of the God of the Gaps argument. Very timely. You couldn’t do it without insults but that’s ok

 

[StackinGreen]

I agree there is a ton of misinformation and your post is now included in that cluster. Everything I post is truth and fact. Most may not understand a lot of it but it's simply because they won't allow themselves to open their minds enough to seek truth on their own. The esoteric knowledge I refer to is available TO ALL but few are willing to invest the time and energy to expand their consciousness enough to gain access to it... most will not even understand this statement but I assure you it's real. #THEGREATAWAKENING #WEAREONE

Thank you for confirming that you are a gnostic.

 

[StackinGreen]

Alistair, I am a scientist as well, you are looking for forensic or "scientific" data or evidence to "prove" God. You need to read more about epistemology, of course no one can prove it to you --- as if we could show it to your eyes or senses in a similar fashion to an apple falling from a tree (which is still just crazy high probability; it might not happen next time). Why do I have to tell you this?

And an answer to your other question, not that it matters, but just so you know, John Chapter 3. The gospel (evangelion) is all about Jesus as King, enthroned at the right hand of God, having being before the foundation of the earth/world, and living eternally as the living sacrifice for all, those righteous living with Him. I thought you might find that interesting and informative.

I'm not trying to prove anything to you here, but you should get your facts straight. It is difficult since so many people are woefully uneducated about the history of the church and its texts, what they mean and what they don't. Still, if there weren't division among people, how could the people of God be made known or approved? (Paul says this in 1 Cor)

 

[SportsBookData]

Thank you for confirming that you are a gnostic.

If it you makes you feel better to call me gnostic then so be it. Unlike most humans labels are meaningless to me.

 

[festeringZit]

thank you for them almost perfect representation of the God of the Gaps argument. Very timely. You couldn’t do it without insults but that’s ok

You are getting desperate now.

Darwinian theory is the epitome of a theory of gaps and bullshit.

What? You mean that development couldn't have happened in evolutionary time? Well, it must have been "punctuated equilibrium". <--- gap bullshit

What? You mean there are a plethora of animal fossils that lack evolutionary ancestors in Precambrian strata? Well, um we worship at the altar of Darwinism, so
we believe it happened anyway, and we're going to call it "science" and teach it to our kids. Idiots.

What? You mean DNA is more complicated than the most complicated software that was ever written? Well, it, um ... it evolved from random mutations... <--- Stupidity

 

[AlistairCookie]

So I know you “don’t care” about what I have to say - this is completely evident by the fact that you keep coming in here to engage with me.

I also know that you think I’m so angry despite my repeatedly telling you that I’m not, but of course that doesn’t help because I’m a liar.

This will be the third time I tell you sinners: if you don’t like what I have to say, there is a really, really easy solution. Don’t come into the thread.