And I was correct on my rivals hand range... the two that folded probably one with A10+ and the other with a middle pair 44+. The 3 that remained in the hand were far behind with 99, A3, Q2.
The only way I would keep myself on the hand post flop was hitting top pair or an open ended straight draw.
The only way I would keep myself on the hand post flop was hitting top pair or an open ended straight draw.
Funny how you never mention before that you were in last position. Actually you say everyone calls after your call. There is no justifying a 27bb flat call with kj it's just an awful play with an easily dominated hand.
A king comes on the flop and you can't even be comfortable with that action and a shit hand like kj.
It's such an easy fold in that spot.
Nothing personal I just think it's a terrible call.
I addressed everyone individually... but you... I never said it's a great play, I'm saying with the implied odds and the history I had of the players and their probable range it was an OK play. The kind of play I'm OK with if I flop terribly and fold but wouldn't if I fold and something like KK2 or 10QA comes on the flop.
That game is known to be one of the craziest games in CR.
I lost myself telling the story but I can assure you I was the last to call BEFORE THE VILLAIN with all that money in already, he called the last. There were a lot of factors going into that hand, if 2 players call $54 I wouldn't call, but 4-5 changes everything, I only need to hit that hand once every five times to break even.
If you saw how this guys play, you would probably call too... In the kind of mindset I was, I was kind of in a hurry as I had plans in 2 hours. So... a nice day at a $1-$2 table can be averaged in $400-$600 profits... $1200 is fucking awesome. I hit that, I play stone cold tight for an hour and leave. I was already up $150 in 5 mins of play.
You called me a fish, which I'm not, you are just a tighter player than myself and I tend to value implied odds a lot. Certain players don't give enough importance to this but for me is a definite factor in my decision making. It becomes personal when you insult people, and you always do man.
Was my play a brilliant play? No way. It was an AVERAGE play by a loose aggressive player. Which I am, sometimes, and sometimes a tighten a lot. Shifting gears. I shouldn't be explaining this shit to you. But I know your approach is different, you play by the book and that's fine. I trust my instincts a lot and this sometimes pays off and sometimes it doesn't.
This time it should have, idiot calling my remainder $500 with Q2 bottom pair bullshit is the reason of my post and not to mention his celebration which I found offensive. If the other 2 guys hit, I'm fine, let a 9 come, an A or a 3, I don't care because I still win an $800 pot from the villain. Other player can keep the $450 side pot.
K worries me more than a J in this spot as I don't put anyone on JJ+... AK, KQ are likely hands out there but I see your point is a valid one as well. My play is not good strategy wise but as I said, one out of five and that's it... I win 200+ big blinds in one hour. That's a successful 4-5 days of play.
The way this table plays out I know who I can overplay and who I can't so... none of those 2-3 guys were on the pot. My reasoning is ugly flop comes and I fold like nothing, cause I know I make those $50 back in 10 or less hands, which I did and I actually recovered the whole $400
Also I find funny that a lot of people here complain about how the 2+2 community treats posters and I see just the same with no deep analysis of the play. Only one seeing my point but not agreeing is FZ. All the factors of my call are there, if you want I can describe the players, their styles of play and probable ranges, I'll even tell you if they are fat, bald and ugly.
I never said my play was terrific, I think it's an "ok" play. With the implied odds is correct to fold or to call, depending on who raised and who's calling.
I'm no delusional like Chop or mental making up stories like Justin. You can't make up these $400 calls with Q2.
By the way, the fruitbag that called me looks exactly like George Costanza, which actually I'm not sure how to feel about... after he lost his "hard-earned" $1250 with 10-5 offsuit he went on to rebuy 4-6 times for $200 and managed to lose them all in less than an hour after that hand, guy was a massive maniac and my specific target that day.
Sounds like a bunch of maniacs, wish I could play in that game.
Exactly my point bud, one can make loose raises/calls with no premium hands and still be a favorite or look to outplay post flop. From the 9 players at the table I can respect 3 and none of them were involved.
One is an Argentinian that always buys in for $1000 and never goes all in except with the nuts. I can bluff him a lot because of his tight approach but if he reraises I instafold. I never risk an all in with this guy unless I have trips or better. Other one is a European guy, young fella, TAG player as well and unpredictable, capable of shoving on bluffs. Third one is an old American, gentleman with over $100k in tournament earnings both live and online, he is the typical wise guy, and I actually seek to learn from this one.
Whoa didn't mean to turn this into a heated debate about one specific hand.
PR, what FZ is saying (and I agree) is that it's not great to play those types of hands for implied odds because unless you hit the flop HARD you don't know where you stand in the hand. In that spot I'm not going to be comfortable with any one pair hand, I would need to flop top 2, trips, or a straight to proceed. Given how improbable that is the implied odds are not worth it. Also factor in that if you do hit your one pair and continue you may just end up losing all your chips and it's not worth it.
Compare that to playing 44 in the same spot for implied odds, if you flop a set you sure know where you stand and if you don't you can get away from it.
Anyway as a general rule calling 27bb with KJ is not desirable, but poker is so damn situational, who am I to tell you you made a bad play. :toast:
PR, what FZ is saying (and I agree) is that it's not great to play those types of hands for implied odds because unless you hit the flop HARD you don't know where you stand in the hand. In that spot I'm not going to be comfortable with any one pair hand, I would need to flop top 2, trips, or a straight to proceed. Given how improbable that is the implied odds are not worth it. Also factor in that if you do hit your one pair and continue you may just end up losing all your chips and it's not worth it.
Compare that to playing 44 in the same spot for implied odds, if you flop a set you sure know where you stand and if you don't you can get away from it.
Anyway as a general rule calling 27bb with KJ is not desirable, but poker is so damn situational, who am I to tell you you made a bad play. :toast:
