People like me huh?
And who's going to protect us from these people scott?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABqq_jjRRo&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.com/
People like me huh?
And who's going to protect us from these people scott?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABqq_jjRRo&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Oh, really? It's folks like you that sent the St. Louis back to the friendly confines of Nazi Germany.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/Palestine_Massacre_riots_of_1929.htm
The Palestine Riots and Massacres of 1929
In the summer of 1929 the Arabs of Palestine initiated rioting and massacres against the Jewish population in several towns. The targets were not Zionists who had dispossessed Arabs of their lands, but for the most part Jewish communities of the "old Yishuv," communities that had lived in Palestine for many hundreds of years. The pogroms were of the same general character as pogroms that had taken place sporadically in Palestine for hundreds of years, usually referred to euphemistically by Jews of Safed, Tiberias, Jerusalem and Hebron as "Meoraot" - "events." The worst massacres took place in Safed, Hebron, Jerusalem and Motza. Like the pogroms of past ages, these "disturbances" featured angry crowds stirred up over a religious or other dispute, Imams preaching "Kill the Jews wherever you find them" and mobs screaming "Aleihum" (get them) and "Itbach Al Yahood" - murder the Jews. In a few days, over a hundred Jews were murdered and several hundreds were wounded.
The racist riots of 1929, like those of 1920 and 1921, were distinguished from those that took place under the Ottoman Turks by two features. Supposedly, Palestine was now under a British Mandate, and being built as a Jewish national home, a place of refuge and safety for Jews. The occurrence of the riots did tremendous damage to the Zionist cause, far beyond the actual loss of lives and property, because they it seem that Palestine was unsafe for the Jews after all, just like everywhere else. The second feature was that the riots were part of the anti-Zionist agitation stirred up by the Husseini family, even though they were not directed against Zionist settlers, but against the old communities.
Throughout the 1920s, tension had been brewing between Palestinian Jews and Arabs for some time, with little or no action by the mandate government to alleviate it. The Arabs of Palestine had come to be dominated by two clans, the Husseinis and the Nashashibis. The Husseinis controlled the Palestine Arab Executive and Supreme Muslim Council. Haj Amin El Husseini was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The Nashashibis became the mu'aridan, the opposition. The Husseinis hoped to further their position by exploiting hatred against the Jews. The issue that generated tension was not land purchases or Jewish immigration. Though there had been large land purchases in the Valley of Jezreel, there was not much Jewish immigration during this period. The issue of contention was an imagined Jewish threat to the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, centering around Jewish attempts to improve the facilities of the nearby wailing wall, a remnant of the Jewish temple, where they gathered for prayer. The wailing wall is part of the West Wall, Al Buraq, where according to Muslim belief, Muhammed tethered his horse when he was miraculously transported to Jerusalem. Thus, it is holy to Muslims too.
There is no doubt that the mosque built on the site of the temple was never a source of joy for Jews, but Jewish tradition holds that the temple can only be rebuilt when the messiah comes. The Zionists certainly had no designs on the mosque itself. The wailing wall however, because of its proximity to the mosque of Al Aqsa, was long a source of friction. Islamic law holds that no non-Muslims may pray in proximity to a mosque while prayers are held in the mosque, because that would disturb the prayers of the faithful. The Jews of Jerusalem had gotten many warnings during the hundreds of years of Muslim rule, about prayer at the wailing wall or in synagogues in the Jewish quarter that supposedly disturbed the prayers of the Muslims. This "Holy Place" was a natural place of contention.
In 1922, a Palestinian delegation to the Hajj (pilgrimage) in Mecca had declared:
The Islamic Palestinian Nation that has been guarding al-Aksa Mosque and Holy Rock since 1,300 years declares to the Muslim world that the Holy Places are in great danger on account of the horrible Zionist aggressions... The Zionist Committee, which is endeavoring to establish Jewish rule in Palestine and to rob al-Aksa from the Muslims on the plea that it was built on the ruins of Solomon's Temple, aims at making Palestine a base of Jewish influence over the [Arabian] peninsula and the whole East.
In 1928, the Muslims tried to get the British to confirm their rights over the Western Wall, including the space used by Jews for worship. Husseini had helped to organize refurbishing of the long neglected mosques in Jerusalem now he initiated new construction activities in October of 1928. Bricks from the "construction" fell "accidentally" on Jewish worshippers in the wailing wall area below. The Arabs drove mules through the prayer area. Muezins (the announcers of the mosques) who called the faithful to prayer turned up the volume in their PA systems so as to disturb the Jewish prayer.
The Zionist community, especially the right, took up the challenge. Right-wing Zionists of the revisionist movement demanded Jewish control of the wall. Some even demanded rebuilding the temple, alarming the Muslims even more and providing a factual basis for the agitation. On August 14, 1929, about 6,000 Jews paraded in Tel Aviv and that evening, about 3,000 gathered at the wall in Jerusalem for prayer, a huge crowd for the then very cramped space. The next day the right-wing Betar revisionist youth paraded by the hundreds, carrying billy-club batons. Rumors circulated that the Jews were about to march on the Haram as Sharif - the Al-Aqsa mosque compound. The Arabs circulated inflammatory leaflets, apparently printed earlier. One read, "Hearts are in tumult because of these barbaric deeds, and the people began to break out in shouts of 'war, Jihad... rebellion.'... O Arab nation, the eyes of your brothers in Palestine are upon you... and they awaken your religious feelings and national zealotry to rise up against the enemy who violated the honor of Islam and raped the women and murdered widows and babies." The Jews had killed no-one, and had attacked no-one.
On Friday August 16, after an inflammatory sermon, a mass of Arab demonstrators proceeded from the mosques to the Western Wall, where they burned prayer books. The British High Commissioner, Sir John Chancellor, was on leave in England. The acting British High Commissioner, Harry Luke, ignored the problem and claimed that "only pages" of prayer books had been burned.
The British were woefully unprepared to deal with disturbances. In all of Palestine there were 292 British police. In Hebron, there was a single British police officer commanding a tine force of Arabs, many of them old, and one Jew.
On August 17, a riot in the Bukharian Jewish quarter of Jerusalem left one Jew dead. The funeral, held August 20, turned into a mass demonstration with cries for vengeance. Beginning on August 22, Arab villagers, armed with sticks, knives and guns, gathered in the Haram as Sharif. Following Friday prayers and the usual inflammatory sermon on August 23, they poured out into the streets of Jerusalem and proceeded to murder and loot. By the time the riots were over in Jerusalem on August 24, 17 Jews were dead. The rioters opened fire simultaneously in several neighborhoods, evidence indicating that the massacres were probably orchestrated by the Supreme Muslim Council.Near Jerusalem, the small town of Motza was attacked by Arabs who killed every member of the Makleff family but one. A very young boy, Mordechai Makleff, hid under a bed. He grew up to be Chief of Staff of the IDF for a brief time during the War of Independence. Several settlements next to Motza had to be abandoned. In other settlements, the inhabitants were protected by friendly Arab neighbors. Kibbutz Hulda was evacuated by the British. Arab marauders burned the kibbutz. The British killed 40 Arabs there. The worst fury of the Arabs, however, was directed at the tiny ancient Jewish community of Hebron, where 64-67 Jews were massacred in a few hours of rioting on August 24, 1924.
The British flew in additional reinforcements from Egypt and elsewhere. The riots spread to Tel-Aviv and Haifa and Safed. In Safed, 18 Jews were killed and 80 injured.
In all 133 Jews and 116 Arabs were killed in the riots, 339 Jews and 232 Arabs were injured. Most of the Arabs were killed by the British police and some by the Haganah in self defense. There were also instances of Jewish atrocities. Jews broke into a mosque and destroyed a Quran. In Tel Aviv, Arabs killed four Haganah men, so the Haganah retaliated by raiding an Arab house and killing four people.
The riots of 1929 changed the attitudes of Jews to the Arabs. Arthur Ruppin, who had helped found the Brit Shalom peace group, which advocated a binational state, withdrew from the group. He could no longer believe in Jewish-Arab coexistence. The writer Shai Agnon wrote, "I do not hate them [the Arabs] and I do not love them; I do not wish to see their faces. In my humble opinion we shall now build a large ghetto of half a million Jews in Palestine, because if we do not, we will, heaven forbid, be lost."
The massacres of 1929 had thus launched two themes that were to recur in the history of Israel and Palestine: agitation related to the al-Aqsa mosques and the Jewish desire for separation from the Arabs of Palestine, for self-protection.
The British were horrified by the massacre. However many of the British personnel had no great love for Zionism or Jews, and the British government was unwilling to subsidize Palestine, which would be required to support a large police force, and no desire to incur the enmity of the Arab world. They refused adamantly to allow any independent legal Jewish self defense force.
The immediate consequences of the riots were that the British caved in to every demand of the Arabs. Though only a small number of Jews had immigrated to Palestine under the mandate, the British accepted at face value the claim of the Mufti that these immigrants, rather than the world economic depression, were at fault for the real or imagined woes of the Arabs of Palestine. In the year 1930, when unemployment reached 25% in some countries, Palestinian Arabs had an unemployment rate of 4%. This "misery" was the "fault" of the Zionist immigration. These were the findings of the Shaw commission which investigated the "causes" of the riots, and of the Hope-Simpson report, which was commissioned to justify the policy changes. Simultaneously with the Hope-Simpson report the British Government issued the Passfield White Paper, which made it clear that Britain intended to sharply curtail Jewish immigration. The Passfield White Paper of 1930 caused an uproar in Parliament however. Moreover, the League of Nations indicated that Britain would be violating the terms of its mandate to foster a national home for the Jewish people if it curtailed immigration. Consequently, Prime Minister Ramsay Macdonald soon backed down and wrote a [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]letter to Chaim Weizmann[/FONT], read publicly in Parliament, which "explained" that "His Majesty’s Government never proposed to pursue such a policy."
The British also issued a set of discriminatory regulations that restricted Jewish rights in the wailing wall, returning the situation to the same state as existed under the Ottoman Empire, when Muslim - Jewish relations were governed by the inferior dhimmi status of Jews in Islam.
Q: What's the difference between people like Dilrod, SuperSchmuck, sumday, and terrorists like Hamas?
At least Hamas recognizes that they are the aggressors?
Q: What are the similarities between people like Dilrod, SuperSchmuck, sumday, and terrorists?
Cheering loudly for a second Holocaust on the Jews.
At least Hamas recognizes that they are the aggressors?
Q: What are the similarities between people like Dilrod, SuperSchmuck, sumday, and terrorists?
Cheering loudly for a second Holocaust on the Jews.
I have said all along these people are barbarians Scott, you know that. But you act as if Israel doesn't do its part to fan the flames, mainly through the Mossad. And as far as money Scotty, Money is how things are done. EVERYTHING comes down to Money in the geopolitical world, EVERYTHING. We are broke, do you not understand that or are you just pretending like it doesnt matter? This country is overtaxed and yet still broke and its getting worse, not to mention we are facing a future economic sunami soon and this current situation is nothing more then a a 3 foot wave compared to the scope of what is coming.
What qualifies you to talk about the Mossad? You don't know ANYTHING about the Mossad or what it does! It certainly doesn't exist to provoke Arabs to fire rockets at Jews and blow up busses in Jerusalem. Take your head out of your ass. The fumes are choking you!
And why would Israel want to "fan the flames?"
Are you really stupid enough to be unaware that 99%, that's right, I said NINETY NINE PERCENT of Israelis from the government down to the everyday citizen, left or right, gay or straight, Orthodox Jew to secular non-practicing Jew, ALL WANT TO MAKE PEACE WITH THE ARABS! Fuck, I WANT THEM TO MAKE PEACE WITH THE ARABS!!! YEAH, ME!
Who doesn't want peace in Israel. A couple of lunatic fringers. Radical settlers who want all of Gaza and the WB. And the rest of the population and gov't of Israel is against them.
Now name me one Palestinian or Arab group that shouts out they want peace with Israel? Or accepts Israel? And again I'll ask you -- Is dressing up preschool children in military gear and putting rifles in their hands preparing the next generation for peace?
And spare me your moral relativism!
And why would Israel want to "fan the flames?"
Are you really stupid enough to be unaware that 99%, that's right, I said NINETY NINE PERCENT of Israelis from the government down to the everyday citizen, left or right, gay or straight, Orthodox Jew to secular non-practicing Jew, ALL WANT TO MAKE PEACE WITH THE ARABS! Fuck, I WANT THEM TO MAKE PEACE WITH THE ARABS!!! YEAH, ME!
Who doesn't want peace in Israel. A couple of lunatic fringers. Radical settlers who want all of Gaza and the WB. And the rest of the population and gov't of Israel is against them.
Now name me one Palestinian or Arab group that shouts out they want peace with Israel? Or accepts Israel? And again I'll ask you -- Is dressing up preschool children in military gear and putting rifles in their hands preparing the next generation for peace?
And spare me your moral relativism!
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Of course you fail to consider the economic costs of that i pointed out in my last post, but i digress...
First of all, as usual let me once again poke a another hole in your inflated argument based on opinions rather then fact...
What qualifies you to talk about the Mossad because your a Jew? Phfff. Please. Your no more qualified then me, end of story. The reality Scotty, is that you say 99% of Jews want peace, including you. All Jews in all walks of life. Please show me where this is true. Show me the source or this claim. Show me the source for all the Jews wanting peace and show me how 99% dont want the Palestinians out of the holy Jewish homeland. You know that is an exaggeration and an outright fucking lie. It sounds good for your cause of the defensive Israelis. Your led by your emotions, like a woman.
For the record, the Mossad (like the CIA) is well documented in clandestine proxy wars and that also included assignations, false flag terror amongst other ends to justify their means that violate the Geneva conventions.
I didn't say I WAS qualified to talk about the Mossad. You are the one who brought it up, not me. You are the one who is foolish enough to believe the Mossad has anything to do with what's happening right now. Your last sentence regarding "false flag terror" shows just how far off the reservation you are.
You know what? Until you admit that if Arabs put their weapons down there would be peace and if Israel put their weapons down it would be destroyed I'll not be responding to you again.
US / ISRAEL = GOOD / HAMAS / HEZBOLLAH / al QUEDA = EVIL!
Too tough for you to grasp; I know.
You know what? Until you admit that if Arabs put their weapons down there would be peace and if Israel put their weapons down it would be destroyed I'll not be responding to you again.
US / ISRAEL = GOOD / HAMAS / HEZBOLLAH / al QUEDA = EVIL!
Too tough for you to grasp; I know.
First off, you never respond to the things i say, all you do is evade. But if i was short on logic and facts, i would do the same. I honestly couldn’t give two shits if you respond to me or not, to be perfectly frank. You come off as a naive little boy who doesn’t have a clue how life works. I think you are an intelligent, don’t get me wrong, just extremely naive. Your dealing with life in black and white, good and evil - however it’s not that easy. You see son, it requires actual logic and thinking to understand this... so that is why you see so many ignorant hillbilly Americans taking this stance. It’s easier to break things into good and evil... right and wrong. Also, where did i say the Mossad has anything to do with what is happening now? All i said was the Mossad is a clandestine operation like the CIA who causes a lot of collateral damage, if you don’t think this is happening, your not too bright and are blinded by your faith. Faith is a crutch. I know, i know, your agnostic. And, im still waiting for you to cite me that 99% population of peace.
Until you admit there won’t be peace until one or the other is completely driven off then you will continue to make yourself look like a defensive one trick pony. A while back I read a book: “A gun and the Olive Branch” that has an interesting angle on the subject. Now before you Google it and find some anti-Semitic label to throw at it, actually read it. There is always two sides to every story. Muslims are easily controlled because the religion doesn’t allow its people to evolve socially or worldly because if it did, people would soon come to realize the utter bullshit it is. Why do you think Christians don’t follow the Bible as they did 1500 years ago? I personally think all religion is a tool. Jews are supposed to be innovators and evolved, so it’s not so much the people that is the problem. It’s the government. The Mossad does more harm then good, just like the CIA. There have been many well known Israeli or Mossad clandestine operations that effected the US in a negative way. Just at the top of my head, I can think of the US Liberty in ’67, the Lavon Affair in ’53 (about the same time the CIA/MI-6 was in Iran) and the attempted assignation of the American ambassador to Lebanon in ’79. Those are just what i know off the top of my head. Now if i dig, there would be more. Now just imagine what they have done justified or unjustified to their neighbors. So don’t get on your high and mighty horse and pretend Israel is “Good”. Just like the US, they run clandestine operations that indirectly or directly compromise their own security. The world is complex, and its ran by governments and corporations, who all have one thing in common. Power = survival. Anything less is failure. Remember that.
