The Seattle Mariners suspended Steve Clevenger for speaking his mind.

[Enfuego]

Black Privilege: taking a dump on the National Anthem during the game ON COMPANY TIME AND PROPERTY is perfectly acceptable.

White Oppression: speaking the truth ON YOUR OWN TIME is not only unacceptable but will get you suspended without pay!

It's not acceptable at all and a manager would be well within their rights to fire a person who did this on the spot no questions asked.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Sorry, your employer cannot suspend you for posting something on your own time on social media - THAT IS NUTS! These "personal conduct clauses" are totally subjective and unconstitutional - a flagrant violation of the First Amendment. I'm sure if Clevenger had given a thumbs up to some BLM thug, nobody would have said boo. Clevenger should sue and take the Mariners to the cleaners!

The Kaepernick bullshit is almost the exact opposite, yet just as clear cut. No, liberals, he is not "exercising his free speech rights" - he is staging a protest on COMPANY TIME AND PROPERTY. If the 49ers had any balls and this weren't such a fucked up PC culture, they would terminate his contract and throw him off the team. Nobody is "suppressing his First Amendment rights"...Kap is free to take his millions, rent his own damn stadium and protest his ass off ON HIS OWN TIME! Since when can anyone say and do whatever the hell they want on company time? Again, completely backasswards, but what would you expect in this fucked up PC culture where black is white and white is black (pun intended)?

 

[festeringZit]

Sorry, your employer cannot suspend you for posting something on your own time on social media - THAT IS NUTS! These "personal conduct clauses" are totally subjective and unconstitutional - a flagrant violation of the First Amendment. I'm sure if Clevenger had given a thumbs up to some BLM thug, nobody would have said boo. Clevenger should sue and take the Mariners to the cleaners!

The Kaepernick bullshit is almost the exact opposite. No, liberals, he is not "exercising his free speech rights" - he is staging a protest on COMPANY TIME AND PROPERTY. If the 49ers had any balls and this weren't such a fucked up PC culture, they would suspend him without pay. Nobody is "suppressing his First Amendment rights"...Kap is free to take his millions, rent his own damn stadium and protest his ass off ON HIS OWN TIME! Since when can anyone can say and do whatever the hell they want on company time? Again, completely backasswards, but what would you expect in this fucked up PC culture where black is white and white is black (pun intended)?

Fucking nailed it yet again.

 

[Enfuego]

Sorry, your employer cannot suspend you for posting something on your own time on social media - THAT IS NUTS! These "personal conduct clauses" are totally subjective and unconstitutional - a flagrant violation of the First Amendment. I'm sure if Clevenger had given a thumbs up to some BLM thug, nobody would have said boo. Clevenger should sue and take the Mariners to the cleaners!

The Kaepernick bullshit is almost the exact opposite. No, liberals, he is not "exercising his free speech rights" - he is staging a protest on COMPANY TIME AND PROPERTY. If the 49ers had any balls and this weren't such a fucked up PC culture, they would suspend him without pay. Nobody is "suppressing his First Amendment rights"...Kap is free to take his millions, rent his own damn stadium and protest his ass off ON HIS OWN TIME! Since when can anyone can say and do whatever the hell they want on company time? Again, completely backasswards, but what would you expect in this fucked up PC culture where black is white and white is black (pun intended)?

I'm sorry Sheriff Joe but you couldn't be more wrong.

Say you're a CEO at Microsoft. You post on social media your company sucks, the workers are lazy and Microsoft makes cheap software/hardware.

You're getting fired that day. You impact the company's bottom line, you'll be gone.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I'm sorry Sheriff Joe but you couldn't be more wrong.

Say you're a CEO at Microsoft. You post on social media your company sucks, the workers are lazy and Microsoft makes cheap software/hardware.

You're getting fired that day. You impact the company's bottom line, you'll be gone.

That's not the same thing and you know it.

He made a comment on an ongoing current event, absolutely nothing to do with his company brand.

And here's the kicker - some people believe he's right, others think he's wrong. In other words, TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE.

Some overzealous PC liberal within the Mariners organization overstepped their authority - Clevenger should throw the book at them!

 

[ML Dog]

How about I am tired of black people committing so many crimes against white people?

No. No. No.

That is Completely Unacceptable.

If you want to Consider that Privately, within the confines of your own mind, that is the ONLY acceptable manner in which that ^^^ can be even THOUGHT OF.

Black People, regardless of what they do are VICTIMS. When a Black Person resists arrest, insults a Police Officer or even gets Violent with a Cop they should under no circumstances face recrimination for this behavior as that is something they cannot keep themselves from doing because they've been Oppressed to such a Severe Degree that We, The White Man, have just plumb drove them CRAZY.

Everything is Our Fault. All Of It and The Robbery, The Rape, The Murder they do its just stuff we will have to get used to because by no means can we inconvenience them by requesting that they live like Human Beings, with Compassion.

By no means can we ask them to Live Up to what Martin Luther King begged of them.

 

[vitterd]

I'm sorry Sheriff Joe but you couldn't be more wrong.

Say you're a CEO at Microsoft. You post on social media your company sucks, the workers are lazy and Microsoft makes cheap software/hardware.

You're getting fired that day. You impact the company's bottom line, you'll be gone.

Very true......teachers also get suspended and fired for social media stuff.

 

[Enfuego]

That's not the same thing and you know it.

He made a comment on an ongoing current event, absolutely nothing to do with his company brand.

And here's the kicker - some people believe he's right, others think he's wrong. In other words, TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE.

Some overzealous PC liberal within the Mariners organization overstepped their authority - Clevenger should throw the book at them!

He sure is impacting his company brand. If you are an African American and you read his comments today, you'd be pissed. I'm white so what he said didn't bother me. His words represent the company especially being a pro athlete.

You really think Carmelo Anthony can go on social media and say he hates white people and he'd be ok?

 

[SheriffJoe]

It's not acceptable at all and a manager would be well within their rights to fire a person who did this on the spot no questions asked.

In other words, if the manager agrees with my comments, I'm fine. But if he disagrees, I get fired?

Uhhh, I don't think so.

Per your reasoning I'm "impacting the company bottom line" based on some social media comments on current events, good luck proving that in a court of law.

Ridiculous.

 

[akphidelt]

Haha, of course he's going to get penalized for those posts. It's Seattle, not Alabama. Even Kaepernick has handled himself better than this guy, even though he's a fucking disgrace. Sounded more like a drunken tirade by an alt-rightie deplorable than anything else.

 

[Enfuego]

In other words, if the manager agrees with my comments, I'm fine. But if he disagrees, I get fired?

Uhhh, I don't think so.

Per your reasoning I'm "impacting the company bottom line" based on some social media comments on current events, good luck proving that in a court of law.

Ridiculous.

Well, I'd say someone has to complain to HR first then whatever happens happens.

If you're bad mouthing your company and get fired, good luck having that overturned in a court of law.

 

[ML Dog]

I'm sorry Sheriff Joe but you couldn't be more wrong.

Say you're a CEO at Microsoft. You post on social media your company sucks, the workers are lazy and Microsoft makes cheap software/hardware.

You're getting fired that day. You impact the company's bottom line, you'll be gone.

Isn't all that TRUE though? About Microsoft?

Oh Wait....I see what you're saying...guess True or Not wouldn't be the question...

but wait....Kaepernick's Declaration that Police Are The Problem while conveniently leaving out the fact that the behavior of Blacks "kinda sorta" is "MAYbe" a contributor to stuff that occurs, Kaep's calling for Reform within Law Enforcement without demanding Reform from Blacks, like....

"Hey Guys....maybe stop committing crimes and....insulting Cops?.....Ya' THINK?....My Brothers?.....might be a Reasonably Wise contribution to minimizing ya'll getting Profiled and sometimes shot?"

...Didn't Kaepernick's Ignorant Selective Protest of the Issues/Indictment of Police/Disrespect of Our Country & that which we hold Sacred/That Which guys like you have given their LIVES FOR....

that "protest" of Kaep's led to sizeable dip in NFL Ratings enfuego....

You impact the company's bottom line, you'll be gone.

...or are you one who attribute less guys watching NFL to some "coincidence"

That just happen to happen right as Kaep decided to impress his BLM Fake Ass Muslim Girlfriend by playing the role of a True Belieber

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[SheriffJoe]

Well, I'd say someone has to complain to HR first then whatever happens happens.

If you're bad mouthing your company and get fired, good luck having that overturned in a court of law.

Don't be obtuse. Nobody bad-mouthed any company, Clevenger was suspended for some of the comments he made on the violence in Charlotte. To put his comments into proper context, people were killed and one unconscious reporter was tossed into a burning fire. How are these animals any different than the ISIS? But I digress...

I see offensive Twitter feeds from athletes all the time. 50% of the country or more would find Kap's "BLM" propaganda completely offensive and inappropriate - same polarization we see here. So who is right?

You can't go firing people because you don't like certain comments on their social media. Clevenger has a very strong case if he sues. All his team of lawyers have to do is scour every Mariner's (or even every MLB player's) social media and cherry pick their 'likes', 'dislikes', links and comments...anything they deem "offensive."

Can of worms if the Mariners are prepared to go down this road...

 

[Enfuego]

Don't be obtuse. Nobody bad-mouthed any company, Clevenger was suspended for some of the comments he made on the violence in Charlotte. To put his comments into proper context, people were killed and one unconscious reporter was tossed into a burning fire. How are these animals any different than the ISIS? But I digress...

I see offensive Twitter feeds from athletes all the time. 50% of the country or more would find Kap's "BLM" propaganda completely offensive and inappropriate - same polarization we see here. So who is right?

You can't go firing people because you don't like certain comments on their social media. Clevenger has a very strong case if he sues. All his team of lawyers have to do is scour every Mariner's (or even every MLB player's) social media and cherry pick their 'likes', 'dislikes', links and comments...anything they deem "offensive."

Can of worms if the Mariners are prepared to go down this road...

In the previous post we were talking about a company and not Clevenger.

The Mariners have every right to do what they did and there's no chance in hell it will get overturned. Look, you may not agree and I actually agree with his comments but he has no leg to stand on here.

Dude, you can say it until you're blue in the face but yes, you can fire people for what they say on social media. For example, if you're a teacher, you will get fired for bad mouthing district policy or your students online. You will be fired immediately.

I'm just not sure you understand the law here.

 

[SheriffJoe]

In the previous post we were talking about a company and not Clevenger.

The Mariners have every right to do what they did and there's no chance in hell it will get overturned. Look, you may not agree and I actually agree with his comments but he has no leg to stand on here.

Dude, you can say it until you're blue in the face but yes, you can fire people for what they say on social media. For example, if you're a teacher, you will get fired for bad mouthing district policy or your students online. You will be fired immediately.

I'm just not sure you understand the law here.

I do understand the law.

The examples you gave (bad mouthing your employer, bad mouthing students, bad mouthing MLB policies) are not relevant to this particular case.

Clevenger commented on the violence in Charlotte on his personal social media account and for that he was suspended without pay - clear violation of his First Amendment rights. The Mariners are in the wrong and nobody should tolerate this bullying and liberal fascism in a so-called "free" country.

 

[ML Dog]

 

[ML Dog]

 

[SheriffJoe]

Btw, what THE HELL do you call this:

How is THIS not a fireable offense?

 

[Enfuego]

I do understand the law.

The examples you gave (bad mouthing your employer, bad mouthing students, bad mouthing MLB policies) are not relevant to this particular case.

Clevenger commented on the violence in Charlotte on his personal social media account and for that he was suspended without pay - clear violation of his First Amendment rights. The Mariners are wrong and nobody should tolerate this bullying and liberal fascism in a so-called "free" country.

I'll quote what you said earlier in post 33:

"You can't go firing people because you don't like certain comments on their social media."

This assertion by you is factually incorrect. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ML Dog]

The heck with that ^^^^.......Kaepernick's Piggy Socks.



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