Not manipulating by no means simply playing devils advocate to all the love fest being shown by Hollywood's elite that are on the socialist bandwagon. I highly suggest reading a book called Black book on communism. Its a beginners guide to the history of communism in the past century. Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Co...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233244282&sr=8-1
One thing I know for certain after reading, talking, and visiting socialistic nations it doesn't work. In some of these nations famine is rampant, housing is poor, labor is hard (some to an extreme level like China for example), medical care is either non existent or very poor (Cuba gets a lot of love for medical care but I've been there and they don't even have basic things like aspirin), and fear is the primary weapon used by the government (Che was merely a puppet/instrument of Fidel's).
Some of the elites and even certain people working in Washington (some already appointed by Obama) would like to see collectivism over individualism.
You believe what you want but if you don't do research on your own then your the ones that are going to end up being manipulated. Ask the Russian people how many times they smile in a day.
GL
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Co...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233244282&sr=8-1
One thing I know for certain after reading, talking, and visiting socialistic nations it doesn't work. In some of these nations famine is rampant, housing is poor, labor is hard (some to an extreme level like China for example), medical care is either non existent or very poor (Cuba gets a lot of love for medical care but I've been there and they don't even have basic things like aspirin), and fear is the primary weapon used by the government (Che was merely a puppet/instrument of Fidel's).
Some of the elites and even certain people working in Washington (some already appointed by Obama) would like to see collectivism over individualism.
You believe what you want but if you don't do research on your own then your the ones that are going to end up being manipulated. Ask the Russian people how many times they smile in a day.
GL
Careful last time I checked Russia still can be deemed as a socialist nation haha. True story I was in N.Y. this past year and met 3 Russian girls with a couple of my friends. I connected with one of them and she just went on and on about the miserable state her country is in. She stated that "she rather continue being a nanny for the rest of her life in Long Island than go back there". I asked her how does everybody feel about things over there and she said "nobody ever smiles" (hence my second to last post stating this very thing).
Its truly a shame that we still live in a world with such bad concepts on how to treat out our fellow citizens.
Well, it was by no means the hell it was always portrayed as in the West.
Yes, you couldn't travel all over the world, you had a lot less luxury goods and the Party was always there, but in return for that you always had a feeling of security. You never had to be afraid of the future, you'd never be unemployed or be unable to pay your rent, food was cheap and all goods you really needed were always there, there was little crime and people were a lot less lonely than they often are in capitalist countries with their "me first"-mentality. And the pressure of the party was not that big. Of course, continuous open criticism of the system got you into trouble but it was not that one wrong joke would get you into prison or such, these are horror stories.
I'm not saying I want to go back to socialism, partly because I don't know if, after twenty years of a western style of living I could adapt again to the socialist standards but mostly because I believe that socialism won't work until people have changed so that most of them work decently even without any pressure and that unchecked leaders still try to do the best for the people instead of securing and abusing their power.
But the opinion that most Westerners have of life in socialist countries is simply wrong. It wasn't that bad. It certainly also was not the workers' paradise our propaganda claimed it to be but there is a reason why many middle-aged East Germans, unemployed, living on welfare and without any personal future, have fond memories about the GDR, and I daresay that there were more smiles in Russia before Gorbatchev than now.
You always hear about people wanting to get out of the GDR into the FRG, but when in 1989 masses of East Germans were allowed to go there many of those quickly came back, disillusioned, because they realised that when you find no work then life in the West is by no means as great as it looks on television.
I agree with this statement. I'm a free market guy and i love capitalism. However, at some point in human evolution we are going to have to stop competing with one another and work together or we wont make it as a species. Not sure if will be because of environmental issues (ice age or global warming, not gorebul warming) depleting resources or some type of attack or outbreak but at some point people are going to have to rely on one another, and im not sure if that could ever be sustainable when you look at humanity today. Obviously time isnt on our side. We know the Sun is dying and at some point way way into the future the Universe will become cold and desolate and dead. Our time frame on the grand scale is so minute, so microscopic and fleeting.
One of the best quotes EVER....
Socialism will only work with a true mastermind orchestrating. Most importantly someone who loves their people and cares about their well being. Not using means of suppression as Fidel did (using Che), Stalin did, Mao did, Lenin did, Trujillo did, and many, many others. All they do is expose, manipulate, dispose of people as there nothing more than insects. Sorry but Russia now is as communist today as ever just under a more savvy leader in Putin (if you don't think Putin is still running Russia then you shouldn't be reading this thread). Savvy cause he doesn't starve his people or send them to gulags. Do I really need to the research as to how many Russians die because of the communist rule in the 20th century?
Now having said all this I personally don't agree with this form of capitalism either. Its corporate fascism what we've been dealing with and now we have a full blown commie at the helm.
I'm off to Costa Rica in less than 2 years. God Speed gentlemen, oh sorry Commies don't believe in god either. They might be semi-socialist there but at least I'll live like a king.
Alan Keyes killed our current commie:
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Now having said all this I personally don't agree with this form of capitalism either. Its corporate fascism what we've been dealing with and now we have a full blown commie at the helm.
I'm off to Costa Rica in less than 2 years. God Speed gentlemen, oh sorry Commies don't believe in god either. They might be semi-socialist there but at least I'll live like a king.
Alan Keyes killed our current commie:
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your more suppressed than you might think you are. your going to move to costa rica, but people are going to have all your information at there hands. that means whenever they want to get rock and rolling, your ass is going to be wherever they put you.
thats the capitalist society you revel in and what it has turned into today.
