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Where you at YES? Hope things are good.

Yes jack , all good . Had a function for father's day that I had to attend to . Re-- the big bets , no worries I will finish the tally with all the numbers as they are and then eliminate the big bets all together. I know its hard for anyone to follow and it looks nuts but All you have to do is scale it down to your level (of betting) and it will make sense . But for the purposes of being on here I will create a daily thread with a maximum threshold limit so most regular bettors can somehow simulate it and give them an idea of how it would work in the real world .

Ok that's it . Hopefully chat soon
 

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OK YES good deal thx for the take. your call but I think players take you more seriously without 50K bets. just my 2 cents. OK have a good night.
 

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OK YES good deal thx for the take. your call but I think players take you more seriously without 50K bets. just my 2 cents. OK have a good night.


Jack , I don't even know where to begin with this statement. Let me try. Lets have a q&a and see if we could square all this up once in for all. Are you there??
 

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Ok

Who do you respect as a handicapper ?? anywhere in the world , give it your best shot
 

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Ok

Who do you respect as a handicapper ?? anywhere in the world , give it your best shot
the players on Horse tourneys that make the big Bucks. I am not fortunate enough to run in your circles with the heavy hitters I assume you know.
 

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ok good . lets start there . Have you ever seen them post their daily logs ?? anywhere that you know
 

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Let me ask you a question. 50K Wagers must for the most part be syndicates. I would assume? NO?
 

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yes exactly , But that has nothing to do with real players making a living from the game with the daily grind . What they are doing is repeating patterns that consitutes finding the right longshots on an everdyay basis and then rinsing and repeating the same old stuff until they get their desired outcome. Here is the proof , pick anyone of those top 5 guys that are on horsetourneys or derby wars or whatever other site is relevant to you and follow them for 1500.00 bets on a w/p betting scale or win only and I can guarantee you , not 100 percent but 1000 percent that at the end of it you will find them in the negatives guaranteeeeeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have done all the work on them its a dying proposition.

So how are these guys to be respected as true players if they can't hold a positive return after 1500.00 races on straight betting , they loose money over time . what they do is take advantage of less aware players that play on the same sites because they have mastered what it takes to beat these sites. This is why some of the same names recycle themselves over and over . But 99 percent of these guys if you leave the to their own betting without rebates and without these sites are completely lost !!!!!!!!!!

These are not the guys you should be following. ok i'll continue
 

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OK YES see your point. they are playing and beating less competent players. Pari-mutuel is a different animal.
 

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You YES are a professional Pari-mutuel Player. I am a Novice Tourney player. Big difference.
 

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But back to the 50K wagers. I just think you would be more effective in your threads if you set a reasonable limit on your bets that the average player can relate to. 50K is way out of the little guy's wheelhouse like myself.
 

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Today I heard Mr gnt make a comment on Mike beer and his best bet for the race of the day on the Drf. Here is the problem , with these guys if you follow them long term they end up down , no ifs , no buts !!!!!!!!! you can do your own research you will find out but I have done it for you so why do it . Please if you don't believe go nuts . Him , Andy serling , Andy beyer, Jerry brown, Len Ragozim and anyone else you can think of that is an authority figure are all complete false authorities . If you ever ask them to provide you proof of their betting patterns not one will come to bat for you , not even for a 1500 race cycle . WHy ???????????? You and the whole world knows why .

because the stuff that has been taught over all these years is archaic and on its own cannot produce long term profits . Sure anyone can hold firm for 500, 700, 895 , even 1100, races but after that its like the 20 mile mark in a marathon , they will begin to disintegrate because they(the players ) are going on what they have learned over these so called authorities that continue to con(non intentional) and provide false info .

 

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But back to the 50K wagers. I just think you would be more effective in your threads if you set a reasonable limit on your bets that the average player can relate to. 50K is way out of the little guy's wheelhouse like myself.

I completely agree and I will address this in lower thread
 

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Today I heard Mr gnt make a comment on Mike beer and his best bet for the race of the day on the Drf. Here is the problem , with these guys if you follow them long term they end up down , no ifs , no buts !!!!!!!!! you can do your own research you will find out but I have done it for you so why do it . Please if you don't believe go nuts . Him , Andy serling , Andy beyer, Jerry brown, Len Ragozim and anyone else you can think of that is an authority figure are all complete false authorities . If you ever ask them to provide you proof of their betting patterns not one will come to bat for you , not even for a 1500 race cycle . WHy ???????????? You and the whole world knows why .

because the stuff that has been taught over all these years is archaic and on its own cannot produce long term profits . Sure anyone can hold firm for 500, 700, 895 , even 1100, races but after that its like the 20 mile mark in a marathon , they will begin to disintegrate because they(the players ) are going on what they have learned over these so called authorities that continue to con(non intentional) and provide false info .

agreed. alot of it is propaganda to sucker players into the game. I am not a big Fan Of DRF. I stopped using their products many years ago, they are all about turning a profit not putting out the best product. IMO.
 

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