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I thought you were a conservative? WHy should the US tax payers help poorly run companies? What happened to the free market system?

Their problems are quasi-political, with unions and regulations being a very big part of their problem. Because of such, they're not playing on a level field. Management shares responsibility for excesses, but their hands are tied in many areas.

I don't believe letting an industry which is said to be responsible for 10% of our workforce fail would be very prudent. In this very tight credit market, I'm a proponent for extending a low interest loan, so long as the underlying interests that helped to create their problems are addressed. I'm not a proponent for maintaining the status quo.
 

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assistance without concessions from the UAW.

I'm not opposed to some low interest loan, but I am opposed to giving a blank check to maintain the status quo.

The companies have to be required to reduce costs across the board, replace failed management, negotiate union contracts that enable them to be competitive in a global economy and receive relief from regulations that drive their costs up.

I agree.

I think at this point there is little chance they'll sit back and watch them go belly-up.

So, what we all must call for is something very structured and provides a good chance for return to the taxpayer. Chrysler worked out.

Unions have to come down to earth and realize they can't continue to make 2X what others in the same field are making...it's just not sensible. They also have to concede on these payments to their unemployed/laid off at some crazy % like they do now....like 90% of what they were making before they got canned. That's ridiculous.

I think if they want the money to survive, they'll have to capitulate...if not, then let em dig through trash cans.

Low interest loans to get them through the cash crunch is sensible to me. You can't let them die at this time...it will have a much more serious spillover effect on this economy. You can require them to restructure CEO pay, force the unions to make concessions, and retool these companies (many have already begun to do so).

Some of you guys need to realize that part of the US auto business is overseas...we sell a helluva lot of trucks.
 

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Some of you guys need to realize that part of the US auto business is overseas...we sell a helluva lot of trucks.

Ok then, consolidate, to one company and make a kick fucking ass truck. Stop trying to make cars, because you cant and then everything will be hunky dory.


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Furthermore, business is a risk. It isnt guaranteed. Nobody is too big to fail, nobody. This is why we have a free market (allegedly)...not a socialized market. When a business fails and they are liquidated, somebody comes at the right price and buys them up. Not only does it create new business opportunity, It also weeds out out of date and/or bad management. The reality is dips and business cycles happen... i guess instead of trying to be greedy and live only for today, you should save and prepare for tough times tomorrow. Let the guilty hang.
 

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I just love the fact that each of the Big 3 CEOs arrived in DC on their PRIVATE JETS. Why didn't they drive there in those fabulous American made cars they turn out??!?!?!? Morons.
 

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Yeah I agree...Let them file Chapter 11 so they can trim down so they can get lean & mean & kick Toyota & Honda's ass


Word Up Rodie...about the smartest thing you have said all week.

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Yeah I agree...Let them file Chapter 11 so they can trim down so they can get lean & mean & kick Toyota & Honda's ass

are Union contracts voided under Chap 11? that might be a start

still need to address regulations
 

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are Union contracts voided under Chap 11? that might be a start

still need to address regulations

Yes, they include the UAW i reckon as chap 11 is a reorganization. That is why i say go this route, rather then a bailout...but it would also mean (i think) they would have to take them off the DOW.
 

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stock market the best predictor of things

saying they heading for chapter 11

GM 2.61
F 1.289

if they stay below a buck a share for more than like 60 days or something they delisted and put on pink sheets or something like that
 

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also back when the airlines got in trouble post 9/11 and we helped out

they filed chapter 11 so probably what's bound to happen with auto

and speaking of that

airlines looming over the horizon for a 2nd round of chapter 11 as well
 

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lmao GM took out a full page ad in USA today pleading their case

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comedy
 

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It was in the Dallas Morning News monday. Big deal means a big add. Right?
 

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I just love the fact that each of the Big 3 CEOs arrived in DC on their PRIVATE JETS. Why didn't they drive there in those fabulous American made cars they turn out??!?!?!? Morons.

At least try to cover up and all 3 come in on 1 of their jets!!!!
 

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