Dsethi, usually agree with you but gotta disagree on this post. In Brady's first Super Bowl he had a better rating than Peyton Manning in his only Super Bowl. In fact, Brady's ratings have been better in all three Super Bowls than Mannings was in his only one. Furthermore, Brady's postseason passer rating is 6 points higher thatn Manning's and he only has one game where his passer rating was under 70 whereas Manning has five games where his passer rating was under 70.
Also, if you want to discount Brady's first Super Bowl by calling him a game manager than you have to do the same for at least Elway's first, and probably his second as well.
I am not a Pats fan but Brady is going to go down as the best QB I have ever seen. For 6 years he did it without many weapons...and now that he has those weapons look what he is doing.
I would say the reverse on ELWAY.
ELWAY was more of a game manager in his last 2 superbowls then he was in his first 2.
ELWAY was a better QB in the early SuperBowls when they were getting blown away by 40 points a game then he was in the 2 that he won at the end of his career.
ELWAY pretty much single handly got his very average teams of the mid-80s to the big show by himself.
In the last 2, he had the best teams he has ever played on.
ELWAY was more of a game manager in his last 2 superbowls then he was in his first 2.
ELWAY was a better QB in the early SuperBowls when they were getting blown away by 40 points a game then he was in the 2 that he won at the end of his career.
ELWAY pretty much single handly got his very average teams of the mid-80s to the big show by himself.
In the last 2, he had the best teams he has ever played on.
Sorry I meant Super Bowl wins, not appearances. Elway was a total game manager the last few years because he had to be to win. Dude was a very good QB, but not Top 5. Would put Manning, Favre, Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas all definitely in front of him and would personally put Staubach and maybe Graham over him.
True you didn't say Manning, but this is in a Manning thread and the comparisons were already there before your post.
Could other QB's win a title with this cast? Absolutely. Manning, Favre, Palmer, Big Ben could all win the Super Bowl with that cast around him....probably someone like Warner (if he is kept clean is deadly accurate) or McNabb/Garrard (don't make mistakes and can make plays with their feet) could as well.
Brady was practically a rookie that year and you are right that he did not win that Super Bowl (people forget but Brady was SUCKING BADLY in the 01 AFCCG at Pittsburgh, and it was Bledsoe and the defense that won that game for NE). But he did do what was asked....played mistake-free football and led the Pats to the W and was the reason the Pats won their last two Super Bowls.
People overestimate his impact on that game because of the mystique factor and romanticize it because that game began the Patriot dynasty.
