A well called game? Besides the last play, there were Two terrible calls in my mind. Those Personal fouls on Arizona were ridiculous. The defender slipping onto a FG Holder? And even worse, the roughing the passer PF against AZ where it should have AT LEAST been offsetting penalties with the IG.
Holders get the same protection as kickers or punters. If a guy punts the ball, and gets ran over, whether the defender meant to or not, that is personal foul roughing. If he gets PUSHED into the guy, thats a little different. But Adrian wasnt pushed. He was in control of his body, and it's his own fault, "slipped" or otherwise. He took that route, he missed the block, and he ran over the holder. That holder literally got run over. It wasn't completely intentional, but that's not really the point. It's like going for a block, and just missing the ball, and accidentally running over the kicker or punter. That is a no brainer penalty and a defenseless holder sitting on the ground gets the same protection.
The Ben roughing was horrible. Then again, if you consider the circumstances of the game, lots of chirping, lots of scuffles, etc you can't blame the refs for trying to take control of the game, starting with the QB. I don't agree with the call, Ben was moving in the pocket, the ball was out for a second or two, and I thought the hit was clean - no helmet, involved, etc.....but I could see the call being defended that they were going to call any questionable roughing penalties, especially on defenseless players.
That's the one I think is legit, but one missed call isn't terrible.
And to be fair I thought there was an IBB on the big Breaston punt return.
However, all things considered this was a very well called game. Officials aren't perfect but these guys did a good job.
alot of bad calls on the Cards I thought officials were horrible and also thought that The Warner fumble at the end should have atleast got a long review.
another thing I see that no1 talks about was on the game winning drive when the steelers were backed up after the penalty and he scrambled like crazy there was a blatant hold not called, its the only reason Ben got to get a throw off.
another thing I see that no1 talks about was on the game winning drive when the steelers were backed up after the penalty and he scrambled like crazy there was a blatant hold not called, its the only reason Ben got to get a throw off.
Pitt on the receiving end in both SB's, I'm sure you might be moaning a bit if you weren't, it's nature. I had Pitt and lost, but I was happy about the timing and direction of the calls, at least until the end of the game when things evened up a tad.
As for the last play of the game, the whole bar was waiting for a replay discussion. Maybe the officials actually made a quick review, something they're supposed to do. Maybe NBC just fucked up the coverage.
Lets all be honest! Steelers pulled the game out of there ass!!!!
they were lucky to be in the game! refs had there backs just like three years ago!!! they won yes!!! but all you saying this game was a joke last two weeks, you survived by the skins of your teeth!!!!!
that great defence really steped up two score given up in last quarter of the biggest game of the year!!!! yes inpressive!!!!!!
but you got the ring! congrades, but you were turning purple for about 20 min!!! ready to explode and have the biggest collaps in super bowl history!!! few congrades guys just be real about it!!!!!!!!!! oh and that the rebras!!! once again!!!!!:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte
they were lucky to be in the game! refs had there backs just like three years ago!!! they won yes!!! but all you saying this game was a joke last two weeks, you survived by the skins of your teeth!!!!!
that great defence really steped up two score given up in last quarter of the biggest game of the year!!!! yes inpressive!!!!!!
but you got the ring! congrades, but you were turning purple for about 20 min!!! ready to explode and have the biggest collaps in super bowl history!!! few congrades guys just be real about it!!!!!!!!!! oh and that the rebras!!! once again!!!!!:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte
I've watched it over and over and analyzed the rules and IMO as I read the rules it was NOT a fumble and they got the call WRONG.
It is a forward pass if:
(a) the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after leaving the passer's hands.
I will grant that the defender contacted Warner's arm, shoulder and body (but NOT the ball itself) at the back of his passing motion just before the arm started forward, HOWEVER, that did not cause the ball to LEAVE his hand. The ball was still clearly in contact with his hand when his arm went forward and during that forward motion the ball left his hand and went forward a couple yards. I've seen an explanation saying that that the ball was rolling in his hand and he has to have total control. I believe that is flat out wrong and attempt to explain a mistake after the fact. Even if the passer has poor control or the ball is moving in his hand just before his arm goes forward, if it is still well within his hand during the forward motion then it is a pass. He doesn't need perfect grip control. That's just flat out horseshit and an excuse for a blown call.
That is my totally unbiased opinion.
Obviously at the very least they should have examined it really closely and could not have done so in 15 seconds.
Just pathetic.
It is a forward pass if:
(a) the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after leaving the passer's hands.
I will grant that the defender contacted Warner's arm, shoulder and body (but NOT the ball itself) at the back of his passing motion just before the arm started forward, HOWEVER, that did not cause the ball to LEAVE his hand. The ball was still clearly in contact with his hand when his arm went forward and during that forward motion the ball left his hand and went forward a couple yards. I've seen an explanation saying that that the ball was rolling in his hand and he has to have total control. I believe that is flat out wrong and attempt to explain a mistake after the fact. Even if the passer has poor control or the ball is moving in his hand just before his arm goes forward, if it is still well within his hand during the forward motion then it is a pass. He doesn't need perfect grip control. That's just flat out horseshit and an excuse for a blown call.
That is my totally unbiased opinion.
Obviously at the very least they should have examined it really closely and could not have done so in 15 seconds.
Just pathetic.
Care to explain why it was "clearly a fumble"??? Not very intelligent to say something is clear without any explanation. Seems like your explanation is that it's clear because they didn't review it and the NFL official now says it was a fumble? Of course they will say that now. Use some independent thinking. I'll respect if you analyze it differently, but I don't respect saying it was clear and that anyone who actually analyzes it and sees it differently is not intelligent.
Let me guess....you had Pitt ML?
I think the two do match here. What the eye saw was that his arm whipped forward and so did the ball. That's a pass. Doesn't matter in itself that he was contacted before the arm came forward. The ball was still in contact with his hand when his arm came forward and that forward motion propelled the ball about 5 yards. How would the ball have gone forward like that if it wasn't a pass? Doesn't even make sense.
Again, as to the idea that the refs now say he had to have total control before going forward...hogwash! It's not that unusual for the QB to have a poor grip on the ball and it's sliding around in his hand and then the arm comes forward and so does the ball awkwardly. That's a pass.
I've yet to see a credible rule-based explanation of a fumble.
