Taxi drivers to stage nationwide protest against Uber on Tuesday August 9th, 2016

[PatsFan1283]

Like I said, I'm not privy to what their lawyers are using as their defense (I'm guessing you aren't either). On the surface, based on the responses on the forum you linked (which sounds like a bunch of arm chair lawyers to me), it would appear their case is against the drivers and not Uber.

Their lawyers defense isn't really what is gaining them market share, the product is what is gaining them market share.

If their product sucked, then they would be shut down pretty easily. It is legal in SF, NY, etc because people want it there, not because what they did to get into those markets didn't violate laws. Any type of research or knowledge of their business model is going to confirm this.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. I am pro-Uber, which is obvious to anyone reading this thread.

 

[bodyforlife]

Their lawyers defense isn't really what is gaining them market share, the product is what is gaining them market share.

If their product sucked, then they would be shut down pretty easily. It is legal in SF, NY, etc because people want it there, not because what they did to get into those markets didn't violate laws.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. I am pro-Uber, which is obvious to anyone reading this thread.

And as I said early on, cases don't get tried on the internet in the court of public opinion. The courts can sort it out.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Like I said, I'm not privy to what their lawyers are using as their defense (I'm guessing you aren't either). On the surface, based on the responses on the forum you linked (which sounds like a bunch of arm chair lawyers to me), it would appear their case is against the drivers and not Uber. And based on your theory, it would be easy enough for a city that Uber isn't in to go full court press on them before they get a chance to establish themselves. I remember a lot of people saying Curt Flood didn't have a case also.

Cities do this all the time. They've actually had a decent amount of success in some areas.

Over time I'm sure ride-sharing will win, but they've definitely caused some bumps in the road.

And I never said Uber wouldn't continue to grow. I really have no clue what you are even disagreeing with me about. You're basic response is just "Yeah, the courts will figure it out" No shit? Who said they wouldn't? Doesn't mean Uber isn't a cutthroat company. And for the 10th time, I have no issues with them being a cutthroat company if it is going to improve transportation in the long-term.

Are you under the impression I care about their violations or something? Obviously I don't.

 

[bodyforlife]

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Cities do this all the time. They've actually had a decent amount of success in some areas.

Over time I'm sure ride-sharing will win, but they've definitely caused some bumps in the road.

And I never said Uber wouldn't continue to grow.

I never said you did (was just applying what you said to a very easy defense for the city if it is indeed true). We can agree to disagree as it appears neither of us are lawyers (or privy to the information presented by Uber). In addition, the last few posts have detracted from the real point of my post (#14). I'm more concerned about a system that doesn't address the customer needs (and penalizes them), establishes anti-competitive practices, treats employees like indentured servants, and gives the government more abilities to extort money from businesses for their wasteful needs.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I don't think we disagree on much here. Think it is a case of lost in translation due to internet. I think you took me saying it is a "cutthroat company" as a jab or something, when it is just the necessary aggression needed for long-term success or else the municipalities win.

I agree with your post #14 obviously.

Anyway, cool chart.

 

[KingEleven]

I never said you did (was just applying what you said to a very easy defense for the city if it is indeed true). We can agree to disagree as it appears neither of us are lawyers (or privy to the information presented by Uber). In addition, the last few posts have detracted from the real point of my post (#14). I'm more concerned about a system that doesn't address the customer needs (and penalizes them), establishes anti-competitive practices, treats employees like indentured servants, and gives the government more abilities to extort money from businesses for their wasteful needs.

this is the thing I hate most! Indentured servants? Are you serious? I must admit, I am biased as I currently own an on-demand service and have for five years...but beleive me, I have IC's that LOVE it, and if they were switched to W2's they would leave!

 

[bodyforlife]

this is the thing I hate most! Indentured servants? Are you serious? I must admit, I am biased as I currently own an on-demand service and have for five years...but beleive me, I have IC's that LOVE it, and if they were switched to W2's they would leave!

I think you're agreeing with me here and the indentured servant question is facetious? In any event, I think it's a perfect description of how taxi companies treat their employees.

 

[KingEleven]

I think you're agreeing with me here and the indentured servant question is facetious? In any event, I think it's a perfect description of how taxi companies treat their employees.

oh, I think I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were calling the UBER drivers indentured servants

 

[bodyforlife]

oh, I think I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were calling the UBER drivers indentured servants

Oh absolutely not. Refer back to my post talking about medallions and how taxi drivers actually owe their employers until they reach a breakeven on fares and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

 

[KingEleven]

Oh absolutely not. Refer back to my post talking about medallions and how taxi drivers actually owe their employers until they reach a breakeven on fares and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

I'm with ya, looks like we're on the same page