In his original post he said he doesn't want to make a discussion of this. IF you have nothing good to say, keep it to YOURSELF. If you had a question, he would have been happy to answer. On that note, with your comments, stay out of the thread.
Let me guess, I am another Tater ghost also, right...
Let me guess, I am another Tater ghost also, right...
"IF you have nothing good to say, keep it to YOURSELF."
"Fact: Roulette is a negative expentancy game. Meaning no matter what, you will lose in the long run. A game in which you flip a coin a you pay me $2 for every head and I pay you $1 for every tail is a basic example of a negative expentancy game."
I think the above is something good to say. With that I bid you adieu, Suckers.
If anyone is interested in a system for Craps drop me a line. I also specialize in cancer cures, turning aluminum into gold, snake oil and ponzi schemes. My email is Thereisoneborneveryminute.yahoorichesformegriefforyou.com
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"Fact: Roulette is a negative expentancy game. Meaning no matter what, you will lose in the long run. A game in which you flip a coin a you pay me $2 for every head and I pay you $1 for every tail is a basic example of a negative expentancy game."
I think the above is something good to say. With that I bid you adieu, Suckers.
If anyone is interested in a system for Craps drop me a line. I also specialize in cancer cures, turning aluminum into gold, snake oil and ponzi schemes. My email is Thereisoneborneveryminute.yahoorichesformegriefforyou.com
PS Genuine ROLEX watches for sale starting at a buck twentyfive. You heard it right supplies limited. Call now.
Falco .. in general you are right about negative expectancy ..However you oughtta do some research before making blanket statements about progressive sports betting.. i find your attitude to be pretty close-minded and condescending..so there is no use even trying to convince you ..I have debated posting this (simply because i have put so much work into it) ,.but wtf .. If you have time take a look at the NBA results form last year..check what happens if a team is beat by 20+ points , they cover at least once in their next 4 to the tune of 123-2 (the 2 losses being at 18.45 units each which is the cost of doubling to 4 gmes) for a profit of 85 units..same system made 79.14 in 2003 and 81 in 2002 ..AND it is 11-0 for +11 units so far this year ..one of many i use..but i know,..it can't be done...
Guys, lets all relax. If Tater wants to share something with everyone that he believes will help improve % of winning, then great!
Falco also is just giving some info about "negative expectation" and it is important to know that. You guys are taking things the wrong way sometimes and then it always ends in bashing!!!
It gets so bad sometimes, you just have to laugh.
I'll tell you a funny story about my last roulette experience. A couple of months ago I played roulette while waiting to get into the Hold-em room.
All I bet was red/black and/or odd#/even#.
BUT WITH A TWIST!
I waited for 3 in a row of the same colour, then bet the opposite.
eg. red, red, red, I bet black. If it won then I would wait again. If it lost then I would double down up to 2 more times.
It was a $15 min table. Therefore $15, $30, $45.
Same with the #'s. 3 even #'s in a row, I bet odd.
In 2 hours I made almost $200. The only reason I stopped was because my name was called to play hold-em.
I was lucky, but it was not all luck. IT TOOK PATIENCE. You sit there and not play while others are playing is hard. Ever play poker without real money?
BOOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIINNNNNNGGGG!!!!!!
Think about it. I will bet anyone that the cannot flip 6 heads in a row or 6 tails in a row. PROBABILITY of a coin flip is 50%. I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm saying it is highly improbable. Try it at home. Remember you are not betting right away. You have to flip 3 in a row the same, then bet the opposite.
just my 2 cents,
bye for now
Falco also is just giving some info about "negative expectation" and it is important to know that. You guys are taking things the wrong way sometimes and then it always ends in bashing!!!
It gets so bad sometimes, you just have to laugh.
I'll tell you a funny story about my last roulette experience. A couple of months ago I played roulette while waiting to get into the Hold-em room.
All I bet was red/black and/or odd#/even#.
BUT WITH A TWIST!
I waited for 3 in a row of the same colour, then bet the opposite.
eg. red, red, red, I bet black. If it won then I would wait again. If it lost then I would double down up to 2 more times.
It was a $15 min table. Therefore $15, $30, $45.
Same with the #'s. 3 even #'s in a row, I bet odd.
In 2 hours I made almost $200. The only reason I stopped was because my name was called to play hold-em.
I was lucky, but it was not all luck. IT TOOK PATIENCE. You sit there and not play while others are playing is hard. Ever play poker without real money?
BOOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIINNNNNNGGGG!!!!!!
Think about it. I will bet anyone that the cannot flip 6 heads in a row or 6 tails in a row. PROBABILITY of a coin flip is 50%. I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm saying it is highly improbable. Try it at home. Remember you are not betting right away. You have to flip 3 in a row the same, then bet the opposite.
just my 2 cents,
bye for now
bosox
the post was
{wow,,, no questions?,,, that suprises me,,,, ok no worries,,,, good luck to all}
tater
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bosox you and FALCO dont have to be jackasses,,, you both are FOOLS, and it is proven by your Lack of answers to my points,,
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the LAW OF THE THIRD is a LAW,,,, get that through your SKULLS,,, You do not comment about it, because your feeble minds dont understand it apparently,,,
I dont remember whos tagline read this,,, but it really applies here,,,
"never get into a verbal fight with a FOOL,,, you both will lose" haha,,
Props to you both,,, I wish you well,,,
good luck,,,, we Disagree,,, thats cool,,, I am done,,,
tater
the post was
{wow,,, no questions?,,, that suprises me,,,, ok no worries,,,, good luck to all}
tater
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bosox you and FALCO dont have to be jackasses,,, you both are FOOLS, and it is proven by your Lack of answers to my points,,
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the LAW OF THE THIRD is a LAW,,,, get that through your SKULLS,,, You do not comment about it, because your feeble minds dont understand it apparently,,,
I dont remember whos tagline read this,,, but it really applies here,,,
"never get into a verbal fight with a FOOL,,, you both will lose" haha,,
Props to you both,,, I wish you well,,,
good luck,,,, we Disagree,,, thats cool,,, I am done,,,
tater
Tate: Good Luck with the system. It goes against everything I know about gambling. I'll keep an open mind. I think I was the first guy to ask about it. I won't play, I just can't do it !
I'm glad to see it posted, won't criticize it, per request.
I look forward to the Tate & Zapster " agreed upon" totals. I can't play this roullette gig, but wish you luck with it !
I'm with folks saying that game can't be beat, hence I rarely play it. I like your NBA picks, but don't play progressions.
Tate, I like your NBA, but the roullete seems to defy math, I can't do it, it goes against everything I believe.
NBA is easily trackable, Roullette isn't
Again , I wish you Luck, thank you for posting your system. I wanted to see it. I can't play it !
Good luck,
Doug
I'm glad to see it posted, won't criticize it, per request.
I look forward to the Tate & Zapster " agreed upon" totals. I can't play this roullette gig, but wish you luck with it !
I'm with folks saying that game can't be beat, hence I rarely play it. I like your NBA picks, but don't play progressions.
Tate, I like your NBA, but the roullete seems to defy math, I can't do it, it goes against everything I believe.
NBA is easily trackable, Roullette isn't
Again , I wish you Luck, thank you for posting your system. I wanted to see it. I can't play it !
Good luck,
Doug
Tate, I believe you have a good basketball system with your "Quitfactor". Stopping after 2 progressions is a good idea. I have to agree with Falco on the Roulette system. It "sounds" good on paper. What I believe Falco is trying to get across to people is this, BE AWARE that you can walk up to a table and place your 2 and 3 unit bets and a zero might come up then you bet 12 and 18 units and DAMN another zero. 35 units GONE in 2 spins. This will happen to someone. What do you do then? There is a small chance that you might stumble across a biased wheel and this system would work. But, that is not likely. Falco's main point is "THE LONG RUN". There is absolutely no way to avoid losing, long term, in a negative expectation game. If there is anyone reading this that does not understand this discussion, and I believe there are, then get someone outside this forum that is a math genius to explain it to you. Tate, no offense, but I don't know you and I'm sure most others that come here don't either. I am afraid you might be leading someone to ruin."Anyone that Plays roulette, I would Imagine already is Familiar with the negative Expectations,,,,"
Tate, please be aware that many people who gamble (the majority, I believe) have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I Never Said what the RETURN would be on a Roulette Table if anyone Used my system,, I MADE no claims at all,,,
People, read the above statement until you understand what it says. Tate, I gotta tell ya, when reading your system the first time it sounds like the "road to riches". I'm just trying to make sure people understand that it is not.
Peace.
Tate, please be aware that many people who gamble (the majority, I believe) have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I Never Said what the RETURN would be on a Roulette Table if anyone Used my system,, I MADE no claims at all,,,
People, read the above statement until you understand what it says. Tate, I gotta tell ya, when reading your system the first time it sounds like the "road to riches". I'm just trying to make sure people understand that it is not.
Peace.
Keg,,, thanks for the discusison,,that I dont mind,,, its the other way some people go about it,,,
and again,, 90% of all that are reading this will make betting on Sports a negative expectation,,, so even if I told them to double their money by "Folding it in half",,, haha,,,, they possibly would screw that up,,,
Playing ON ANY TABLE GAMES {roulette, craps, BJ,,,,,,,,} is GAMBLING,,
Betting on SPORTS with Informed thinking is called HANDICAPPING, there is a HUGE diffeence,,,
However for the most part, my formula in roulette can keep someone on a table longer winning, than just walking up and Laying 35 chips straight on the table,,,hahah,,,,,,
anyway,,,, props to all,,, I am retireing this thread,,,,
tater
and again,, 90% of all that are reading this will make betting on Sports a negative expectation,,, so even if I told them to double their money by "Folding it in half",,, haha,,,, they possibly would screw that up,,,
Playing ON ANY TABLE GAMES {roulette, craps, BJ,,,,,,,,} is GAMBLING,,
Betting on SPORTS with Informed thinking is called HANDICAPPING, there is a HUGE diffeence,,,
However for the most part, my formula in roulette can keep someone on a table longer winning, than just walking up and Laying 35 chips straight on the table,,,hahah,,,,,,
anyway,,,, props to all,,, I am retireing this thread,,,,
tater
tate, the system looks nice so far.
just wondering a few things.
Say the numbers come up as
13,14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12
like you said before..
then say a 20 comes up.
so you bet the number to not come up as 19-24 ..
assume that a 19-24 number doesn't show, it comes up as 9, so you go up one unit..
what next ? ..
we would then have something like this on the board
13,14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9
there is still less than 3 numbers in the 19-24 grouping shown, and only one zero...
so now.. after you just win that unit, do you hold off the bets again until a number in 19-24 comes up ?
and then bet for it not to show on the next spin ?
and say you win that one...
then you have somethign like
14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9, 23, 31
on the board
then there are 3 numbers inn the 19-24 grouping on the board, so you dont bet ?
and wait for a new scenerio of losing numbers to be below 3, with only one zero on the board?
just trying to make sure i understand everything.
looks good as far as i can tell.
also.
how many numbers stay on the board at a roulette table?
thanks a lot,
Tim Cashin
just wondering a few things.
Say the numbers come up as
13,14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12
like you said before..
then say a 20 comes up.
so you bet the number to not come up as 19-24 ..
assume that a 19-24 number doesn't show, it comes up as 9, so you go up one unit..
what next ? ..
we would then have something like this on the board
13,14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9
there is still less than 3 numbers in the 19-24 grouping shown, and only one zero...
so now.. after you just win that unit, do you hold off the bets again until a number in 19-24 comes up ?
and then bet for it not to show on the next spin ?
and say you win that one...
then you have somethign like
14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9, 23, 31
on the board
then there are 3 numbers inn the 19-24 grouping on the board, so you dont bet ?
and wait for a new scenerio of losing numbers to be below 3, with only one zero on the board?
just trying to make sure i understand everything.
looks good as far as i can tell.
also.
how many numbers stay on the board at a roulette table?
thanks a lot,
Tim Cashin
Tim,,,
GREAT post,,,, many good questions, forst off you have a really good Grasp of my formula,,, the Scenario youve presented is not a common one,,, in fact I have Not seen it Personally,,, as there are obivously 50 million combinations that can occur,,,,
Specifically that is why I Place myself between 2-3 Tables,, I can Get a Decent ammount of action,,, skipping from 1 table to the next,,, and I DONTT!! have to RUSH,,,,
your first question, would you then Play the 19-24 to NOT come up, the answer is yes,,,, you would play for 1 unit and THEN STEP AWAY,,, YES,,,
step away and wait for another number to come up on a qualified table,,,,
Now,,, the More Complicated question,, what to do if you have a
14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9, 23, 31
on the board
then there are 3 numbers inn the 19-24 grouping on the board, so you dont bet ?
and wait for a new scenerio of losing numbers to be below 3, with only one zero on the board?
In this situation I would NOT bet the 19-24 numbers to "not come up" I would wait till the table Dropped at least 1 of that number groupings and there was 1 zero or less showing,,,
I WOULD however If a 17 showd next,,, I would Play the 13-18 Grouping NOT TO SHOW,,,
the great part of this formula,,, is that you can move from table to table,, you can WAIT IT OUT,,,, If you dont like the people at a table dont stay there,,, this is a PROGRESSIVE Way to play the game of roulette,,, Everyone Sits,,, I like it,,, i Feel more in control,,
Have you Played it LIVE yet tcashin???
(I believe its 20 numbers on the board)
For whoever cares I am going to LAUGHLIN, NV. Friday afternoon, and Im gonna be there till sunday,,,
I will be honest and give a report of how I do ,,, win or lose,,
Good luck to all
tater
GREAT post,,,, many good questions, forst off you have a really good Grasp of my formula,,, the Scenario youve presented is not a common one,,, in fact I have Not seen it Personally,,, as there are obivously 50 million combinations that can occur,,,,
Specifically that is why I Place myself between 2-3 Tables,, I can Get a Decent ammount of action,,, skipping from 1 table to the next,,, and I DONTT!! have to RUSH,,,,
your first question, would you then Play the 19-24 to NOT come up, the answer is yes,,,, you would play for 1 unit and THEN STEP AWAY,,, YES,,,
step away and wait for another number to come up on a qualified table,,,,
Now,,, the More Complicated question,, what to do if you have a
14,20,35,10,18,2,5,28,5,7,27,1,31,35,00,4,12, 20, 9, 23, 31
on the board
then there are 3 numbers inn the 19-24 grouping on the board, so you dont bet ?
and wait for a new scenerio of losing numbers to be below 3, with only one zero on the board?
In this situation I would NOT bet the 19-24 numbers to "not come up" I would wait till the table Dropped at least 1 of that number groupings and there was 1 zero or less showing,,,
I WOULD however If a 17 showd next,,, I would Play the 13-18 Grouping NOT TO SHOW,,,
the great part of this formula,,, is that you can move from table to table,, you can WAIT IT OUT,,,, If you dont like the people at a table dont stay there,,, this is a PROGRESSIVE Way to play the game of roulette,,, Everyone Sits,,, I like it,,, i Feel more in control,,
Have you Played it LIVE yet tcashin???
(I believe its 20 numbers on the board)
For whoever cares I am going to LAUGHLIN, NV. Friday afternoon, and Im gonna be there till sunday,,,
I will be honest and give a report of how I do ,,, win or lose,,
Good luck to all
tater
I don't want to get involved in any kind of flame war either way but I thought I should point out that Tate is completely misunderstanding the "law of the third".
The "law" only applies to spins that have already happened. It has nothing to do with future spins. Every time the wheel spins, a whole new grouping starts over again.
Basically the law says "if you look at any group of 37 past spins, 1/3 of the numbers will be repeats." It's not going forward, only looking back. There is no way to know which 1/3 numbers repeat until the spins have already taken place.
The "law" only applies to spins that have already happened. It has nothing to do with future spins. Every time the wheel spins, a whole new grouping starts over again.
Basically the law says "if you look at any group of 37 past spins, 1/3 of the numbers will be repeats." It's not going forward, only looking back. There is no way to know which 1/3 numbers repeat until the spins have already taken place.
Lux,,, you are right bbut consider this, just as the Arguement for most Roulette Hateers goes,,,, you can Never predict what number will come up next,,,that is true,,,, RED could come up 15 times ina Row,,,, that is TRUE,,, but Heres what I CAN do,,,
What are the Odds for RED to come up 15 times in a row?? Do you get my point?
wht are the ODDS,,, that the Last 10 Numbers that Just were spun,,,, Will then Come up again, Not even in that Order,,, but that they will repeat themselves??
Do you know the name ION SALIEU? he proved mathimatically that is was Virtuall Impossible, (anything of course is Possible) He created a formula he called his "SKIP THEORY", that Too I used in my Developing of this formula,,, his SKIP THEORY,,, he proved It with Mathmatics,,, so Go read up on ION SALIEU, and work with me here,,, Maybe I can Open your mind,,, maybe not,,
If you Understand that segment of roulette then you can see that RED BLK uis a 50-50 Proposition,,,, and Obvioulsly the Bord itself is a 36-1 Proposition,,,so the ODDS are just Astronomical, so understanding those ODDS,,, then Makes a REasonable expectation so as what to what may come,,,,
I am not saying Im winning anything with this formula,,I am only saying I have had success with it,,, and Id Love to hear if anyone else Lost or won with it,,,,I put litterally THOUSANDS of hours of research into it Purchaseing several SPIN books, in order to test with LIVE info,,,
thanks for being a standup guy LUX,,, I dont mind that type of question,,
I am going to use it this weekend,,, I wll report if I lose or win,,,and the Scenarios involved,,,
tater
What are the Odds for RED to come up 15 times in a row?? Do you get my point?
wht are the ODDS,,, that the Last 10 Numbers that Just were spun,,,, Will then Come up again, Not even in that Order,,, but that they will repeat themselves??
Do you know the name ION SALIEU? he proved mathimatically that is was Virtuall Impossible, (anything of course is Possible) He created a formula he called his "SKIP THEORY", that Too I used in my Developing of this formula,,, his SKIP THEORY,,, he proved It with Mathmatics,,, so Go read up on ION SALIEU, and work with me here,,, Maybe I can Open your mind,,, maybe not,,
If you Understand that segment of roulette then you can see that RED BLK uis a 50-50 Proposition,,,, and Obvioulsly the Bord itself is a 36-1 Proposition,,,so the ODDS are just Astronomical, so understanding those ODDS,,, then Makes a REasonable expectation so as what to what may come,,,,
I am not saying Im winning anything with this formula,,I am only saying I have had success with it,,, and Id Love to hear if anyone else Lost or won with it,,,,I put litterally THOUSANDS of hours of research into it Purchaseing several SPIN books, in order to test with LIVE info,,,
thanks for being a standup guy LUX,,, I dont mind that type of question,,
I am going to use it this weekend,,, I wll report if I lose or win,,,and the Scenarios involved,,,
tater
Yes if you look at a grouping of spins that have already happened, the odds of seing 20 reds in a row or whatever are pretty low in a random grouping. The difference is that you aren't betting on that. You're just betting on the next spin.
Here's an example:
Any time three consecutive red or black (or any 50/50 bet) comes up, there is a 66.7% chance that there will be the opposite of those at either end of the three.
You're 66.7% more likely to see a RRRB or BRRR than RRRR. That's obvious because there are 2 possibilities vs. one. You will see one of those two combinations twice as many times as the one (RRRR). That isn't useful at all for betting because you can only see that after the spins have taken place. Why? Because with "BRR" you would think to bet "R" on the next spin BUT it could just as easily be "BRRB". So you take away the possibility of "BRRR" and you are left with two equally probably combinations like it should be.
Law of the thirds works pretty much the same way. I'm actually aware of Saliu's work and he makes the same basic mistake in reasoning.
Here's an example:
Any time three consecutive red or black (or any 50/50 bet) comes up, there is a 66.7% chance that there will be the opposite of those at either end of the three.
You're 66.7% more likely to see a RRRB or BRRR than RRRR. That's obvious because there are 2 possibilities vs. one. You will see one of those two combinations twice as many times as the one (RRRR). That isn't useful at all for betting because you can only see that after the spins have taken place. Why? Because with "BRR" you would think to bet "R" on the next spin BUT it could just as easily be "BRRB". So you take away the possibility of "BRRR" and you are left with two equally probably combinations like it should be.
Law of the thirds works pretty much the same way. I'm actually aware of Saliu's work and he makes the same basic mistake in reasoning.
