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2 players? 2 slow-pays???

Mr. Clark mentioned '7 to 9' himself.

You did NOT make the point about an 'F' rating before - and I am not an SBR employee so I'm not commenting on how Buzz comes up with his ratings - you should pose the question to him.

Little Nasa/Omni are shit - I didn't realize that before now I was supposed to be beating that particular drum all the time. But I agree.

My priorities are in the order in which I choose to place them, and they are not placed in the order in which you think they should be. I have zero problems with you disagreeing with my OPINIONS but I have 100% problems with you ignoring the facts that Mr. Clark himself acknowledged a week or more ago. Go back and re-read my initial post here:

" ... apparently SBT has cleared up their problems with some payouts being slow and half-paid, which is good news ... I'd make sure they will pay out when you ask for the money according to their site rules, and not ask you to wait for it - IF that's important to you. Would like to see this book succeed ..."

What part of this was begging for their imminent demise???

As far as "The Online Bet", I've never personally heard of them nor played there (of course), so why the hell would I praise or damn them? I had HEARD of SBT, they advertised here, and I read the posts of the problems some people had had in the near past - that's why I posted.

btw, you shouldn't be using the word 'peep' around here, you know - lol.

Also, here’s Mr. Clark’s reply in a previous topic:

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posted November 07, 2003 06:17 PM
Gentlemen

Firstly, I would like to thank those posters who have faith in me and my company..

We process payouts everyday and try to meet the needs of our customers as best as possible..WE do not have any financial problems..

We do not wait for deposits to make payouts..Each payout we make is fully completed within one week..My customers know that to be true..

We process redemptions everyday..Whether money is promised WU..Fed ex..Or Neteller..The money arrives as promised..

My company had a problem with a employee which has been dealt with..I was at fault here, and take full responsibility..There were several things that this person did which effected the way things were done..I stand by my company and its future in this market..

I mentioned a bump in the road, and I am back on track..If anyone has a complaint or issue with anything I am doing here..Please call me and I will deal with it personally..

In the last year and a half I have existed in the offshore industry without a hitch..Everyday I try to bring good will and fair play to my business..I will continue to strive and make SBT a viable resource to the wagerer..

I speak the truth..

If anybody has a issue with what I have said..Please E mail me or call me personally..I will assist any customer...

My E mail is..

customerservice@sdsportsbetting.com

Trust and good will are both connected..Over time I hope to prove that I am worthy of both..

Barry Clark

SDS..SBT..

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I would also like to point out, boston1, that SBT has changed their payout rules on their site:

• Our policy is to process withdrawals by the same method customers had previously used to deposit, to the full extent possible.
We offer the following options for withdrawals:
-Neteller
-Fedex
-Western Union

• Withdrawals are processed Mondays through Thursday from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm EST. Any other payouts requested after this time limit will get process on Monday morning of the following week.

48 hours withdrawals only using through W/U. A customer is entitled to one free payout per month. Any other requests of withdrawals he or she would have to cover the W/U fee.

48-72 hours withdrawals only using Neteller. These are requirements in order to make a withdrawal using neteller.

1. If a customer requests a withdrawal on the internet. Must send a copy of his or her license id.

2. If a customer requests a payout over the phone must fill out a safe deposit form, & fax us a copy of his or her license id.

3. The requirements have been adjusted only to protect our customers & their business.


3-4 business days withdrawals done through Fedex.

Maximum Payouts will be $5000 1 per week, unless the customer has been inactive for 7 days. Then the maximum payout per day is $1000.

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How do I know SBT has changed their payout policies, boston1? Because I captured their policy on November 11th in a post here:

Jazz

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posted November 11, 2003 09:26 AM
Boston: their rule is actually this ...

"Maximum Payouts will be $2500 per day per customer, unless the customer has been inactive for 7 days.Then the maximum payout per day is $1000."


Here’s my point – they have the right to change their payout rule, I’m simply pointing out that back on November 11th you could take out, if you were lucky, $17,500 per week, and now you are limited to $5,000 per week – but also, implicit in the original rule was that you could expect to get your money within one day – now you are only promised your money via NETeller within 2-3 days and via Fed-ex within 3-4 business days, with WU coming in at 2 days.

There is nothing wrong with this – the point is, if there isn’t, then there is no harm in saying it.

If you want me to dig up the post where Mr. Clark acknowledged there were problems with ‘7 to 9’ customers on the payouts and not the 2 you’re referring to, I’ll do so tomorrow. If you want me to dig up the posts saying I’m hoping for the best for SBT, I’ll do that too. I’m simply saying, there is room for disagreement among reasonable men, and that’s what’s been going on here.
 

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Anyone know if this is a new bonus policy?

Rules and Regulations regarding Bonuses

When playing at SDS, clients will be required a roll over period 5 times their initial deposit + fees + bonus, leaving their deposit + fees + bonus in their account for 30 days from the date of their first play, and the account must remain active during that time frame. In order to withdrawal the full amount.

• 15% reload bonus will be divided in 10% cash & 5% Bonus Play.
• 10% referral bonus will be divided in 5% cash & 5% Bonus Play.
• 20% sign up bonus will be divided in 10% cash & 10% Bonus Play.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jazz:
Anyone know if this is a new bonus policy?

_Rules and Regulations regarding Bonuses_

When playing at SDS, clients will be required a roll over period 5 times their initial deposit _+ fees_ + bonus, leaving their _deposit + fees + bonus in their account for 30 days from the date of their first play_, and the account must remain active during that time frame. In order to withdrawal the full amount.

• 15% reload bonus will be divided in 10% cash & 5% Bonus Play.
• 10% referral bonus will be divided in 5% cash & 5% Bonus Play.
• 20% sign up bonus will be divided in 10% cash & 10% Bonus Play.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jazz:

Most of these rules are new, and in my view, more fiscally responsible.

The bonuses have been scaled back, with some Bonus Plays replacing cash, and I think the 5x rollover is higher than it used to be (2x/4x?).

I think Barry was giving away a bit too much of the farm before, with the line value, bonuses, and liberal payout policies (without transfer fees). There is enough "line value" at his shop that he can scale back the bonus program and/or increase the rollover requirements without losing many customers.

The 30 day hold used to be 15 days (this is not a personal favourite of mine - I prefer to increase the rollover as opposed to putting a time limit on holding deposits).
 

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I would agree, Halifax, I think the farm indeed was pretty open - but one point that should be made is that you can expect at minimum now (at least according to the rules) a 2 day wait on a payout.

I also do not like 30 day holds, and in fact that is a policy that prevents me from joining a book - not that I wish to bolt that early, but being required to keep it there that long, no thanks - good customer service and good booking should do that.
 

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Wow...Trivia's website is nice looking now...


I wonder if I should deposit...hmmmmm....
 

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Jusr curious if the following on their main page is still true? Asking since the advertising contract is over.

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Crazy, no, I don't. My current opinions are in the topic above.
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about 3 months ago when Jon was there they had our banner right next to therx as well
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too bad jon left...can't trust barry...
 

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Check this out from SportsBettingTrivia's current website:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Maximum Payouts will be $5000 1 per week, unless the customer has been inactive for 7 days. Then the maximum payout per day is $1000.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is just disgusting... Imagine you needed money - they will refuse to pay you anything over $1000 LOL...I have never seen a book that would offer that 'stipulation' unless they are LOW on funds...

Secondly,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>• Withdrawals are processed Mondays through Thursday from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm EST. Any other payouts requested after this time limit will get process on Monday morning of the following week.

• 48 hours withdrawals only using through W/U. A customer is entitled to one free payout per month. Any other requests of withdrawals he or she would have to cover the W/U fee.

• 48-72 hours withdrawals only using Neteller. These are requirements in order to make a withdrawal using neteller.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow you have to demand a payout 3 days in advanced in order to get paid... How can anyone live with these NEW CIRCUMSTANCES.

Back when Jon (Marketing and CR guy) was working I was able to get Solid Bonuses, Referrals... and get it creditted instantly when offering the bonus bonanzas...and if i wanted to deposit/withdraw - the money was sent/received via neteller within an hour or so...

now the rules are just plain UGLY!

2-3 days to withdraw LOL
 

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If you look back in this topic you'll see I posted those new rules 3 days ago and commented on them. My point then was, as long as you know what the payout rules are and they are followed, I have no problem with them - BUT, they are not very encouraging either, with 3-4 business days for a Fed-ex and requests accepted only Mon-Thur.
 

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Jazz - if you don't mind me asking - what books do you play at? You use to play at SBT before didn't you? I believe you took part of the bonus bonanza no?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CrAzY Jivin' IvaN:
Jazz - if you don't mind me asking - what books do you play at? You use to play at SBT before didn't you? I believe you took part of the bonus bonanza no?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ivan:

Wake up man. Do some reading of some of the threads that you put your dumb comments in. 90% of the time, you ask questions when the answers to your questions already exist somewhere in the thread (or in a related thread).

And in this thread, you're saying how shitty a book SBT is ... but 2 or 3 posts before that, you're asking Jazz whether or not SBT is a safe book and whether you should send them some money. Make up your mind; better yet, keep the mindless comments out of these threads.
 

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hgahahaha i actually never even read the comments by jazz earlier i read pg 1 and decided to just reply lol
 

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Crazy, no, SBT is not a book I've played at.

If you want book recommendations, I recommend Pinnacle, Olympic, and Canbet for security and lines.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CrAzY Jivin' IvaN:
Jazz - if you don't mind me asking - what books do you play at? You use to play at SBT before didn't you? I believe you took part of the bonus bonanza no?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"I believe you took part of the bonus bonanza no?"

Ivan, one other thing - a bit of advice to help your business grow.

If you really want to make your affiliate / referral business more sucessful, you'd best start acting like a professional businessman.

I highly doubt that Jazz has signed up at any book using your "bonus bonanza" referral program ... but if he did, I don't think he would be too happy with you talking about his personal, private business dealings on an open forum.

No doubt you lose a lot of potential customers because you don't know how to keep private matters private.
 

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I can categorically state for the record that
I have NEVER signed up at ANY book through Crazy Ivan, period.

But Halifax is correct in general: I like to keep 'private matters private', and though sometimes I'm tempted to say 'it's none of your fvcking business, I can't believe you are brazen enough to ask for personal details on a public forum', I usually take the high road.
 

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Jazz, if you dislike SBT is your opinion, there is some people that never have problems with SBT.

Why are you traying to degrade SBT?

Do you have personal problems with SBT?
 

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