Darryl,
Regarding the vig much has been discussed already in:
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=5033009416
Regarding Hollywood just read this thread and you will know that you are dealing with guys that have some frustrations:
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=94210088
Regarding the vig much has been discussed already in:
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=5033009416
Regarding Hollywood just read this thread and you will know that you are dealing with guys that have some frustrations:
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=94210088
acw,
Thanks for the links...very interesting.
The Betfair link talks about how to convert their commission to a percentage but it does not address the bombshell I mentioned above which to an astute bettor has huge implications. I'm not going into more detail than that because you are smart enough to figure out what I mean and after comments like Sr Muny above I really don't feel like educating anyone else right now.
Thanks for the links...very interesting.
The Betfair link talks about how to convert their commission to a percentage but it does not address the bombshell I mentioned above which to an astute bettor has huge implications. I'm not going into more detail than that because you are smart enough to figure out what I mean and after comments like Sr Muny above I really don't feel like educating anyone else right now.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay Leno:
the play hasn't made it to the book yet or the linesman is slow to move it or hasn't seen it. if u get the play down b4 the line moves then u stole the line. its called chasing steam like daryl does.......a follower.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Jay!!
Just curious, do you ever come back the next day and read what you posted? How does one "steal" a number from a bookmaker? To me, it looks more like the bookmaker is standing at the door passing out Franklins.
Frankly, I'd be suprised if many folks said "no thanks, I would really rather give you a Franklin, my friend."
Jay, stealing? Does a bookmaker have an expectation of accepting any responsibility whatsoever for his actions? Or should he just be entitled to recieve a paycheck each week from his customers?
VVV
P.S. Asked with all respect, as usual.
the play hasn't made it to the book yet or the linesman is slow to move it or hasn't seen it. if u get the play down b4 the line moves then u stole the line. its called chasing steam like daryl does.......a follower.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Jay!!
Just curious, do you ever come back the next day and read what you posted? How does one "steal" a number from a bookmaker? To me, it looks more like the bookmaker is standing at the door passing out Franklins.
Frankly, I'd be suprised if many folks said "no thanks, I would really rather give you a Franklin, my friend."
Jay, stealing? Does a bookmaker have an expectation of accepting any responsibility whatsoever for his actions? Or should he just be entitled to recieve a paycheck each week from his customers?
VVV
P.S. Asked with all respect, as usual.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sr Muny:
Darrly sounds like the TYPICAL FOLLOWER, Alwasy BITCHING about something.
HOLLYWOOD is HONORABLE as they get......
His ACCUSATIONAS have no MERIT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree that Hollywood is among the best of the best. You will not get stiffed if you happen to play there. However, to say that his accusations have no merit is not too keen of an observation. How can you say this? He is 100% truthfull and what he said does and did take place!!!
Darrly sounds like the TYPICAL FOLLOWER, Alwasy BITCHING about something.
HOLLYWOOD is HONORABLE as they get......
His ACCUSATIONAS have no MERIT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree that Hollywood is among the best of the best. You will not get stiffed if you happen to play there. However, to say that his accusations have no merit is not too keen of an observation. How can you say this? He is 100% truthfull and what he said does and did take place!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
acw,
Thanks for the links...very interesting.
The Betfair link talks about how to convert their commission to a percentage but it does not address the bombshell I mentioned above which to an astute bettor has huge implications. I'm not going into more detail than that because you are smart enough to figure out what I mean and after comments like Sr Muny above I really don't feel like educating anyone else right now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Educating? You cant be for real. Listen when was the last time you CALLED Hollywood, was not given the line QUOTED on the PHONE...Yeah thats what I thought.
It is not uncommon for for a BOOKS SOFTWARE to act lek this ,especially when your CHASING STEAM.
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.
acw,
Thanks for the links...very interesting.
The Betfair link talks about how to convert their commission to a percentage but it does not address the bombshell I mentioned above which to an astute bettor has huge implications. I'm not going into more detail than that because you are smart enough to figure out what I mean and after comments like Sr Muny above I really don't feel like educating anyone else right now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Educating? You cant be for real. Listen when was the last time you CALLED Hollywood, was not given the line QUOTED on the PHONE...Yeah thats what I thought.
It is not uncommon for for a BOOKS SOFTWARE to act lek this ,especially when your CHASING STEAM.
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sr Muny:
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He asks you the line your clerk tells him the line and he proceeds to bet your posted number, If he beats your book or any other book to the number that isn't the end of the world. Take the one hit adjust your number and move on. If you can't overcome that with volume from other players and dont want any risk then you are pretty lame and in the wrong business. That's the whole fun of this business. Having a set of balls and letting them play.
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He asks you the line your clerk tells him the line and he proceeds to bet your posted number, If he beats your book or any other book to the number that isn't the end of the world. Take the one hit adjust your number and move on. If you can't overcome that with volume from other players and dont want any risk then you are pretty lame and in the wrong business. That's the whole fun of this business. Having a set of balls and letting them play.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Borat Sagdiyev:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sr Muny:
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He asks you the line your clerk tells him the line and he proceeds to bet your posted number, If he beats your book or any other book to the number that isn't the end of the world. Take the one hit adjust your number and move on. If you can't overcome that with volume from other players and dont want any risk then you are pretty lame and in the wrong business. That's the whole fun of this business. Having a set of balls and letting them play.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What? Hey I agree, but my point was if he is only playin on the NET stuff that is LIGHTING up DONBEST well he will continue to have this problem, To AVOID it I suggest he PHONE THE WGAERS in. Thats all
Trust me HOLLYWOOD has the BALLS, and they can SWING with the BIG BOYS..............Or LADIES what ever the case
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sr Muny:
I suggest PLAYING YOUR OWN PICKS to AVOID this in the future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He asks you the line your clerk tells him the line and he proceeds to bet your posted number, If he beats your book or any other book to the number that isn't the end of the world. Take the one hit adjust your number and move on. If you can't overcome that with volume from other players and dont want any risk then you are pretty lame and in the wrong business. That's the whole fun of this business. Having a set of balls and letting them play.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What? Hey I agree, but my point was if he is only playin on the NET stuff that is LIGHTING up DONBEST well he will continue to have this problem, To AVOID it I suggest he PHONE THE WGAERS in. Thats all
Trust me HOLLYWOOD has the BALLS, and they can SWING with the BIG BOYS..............Or LADIES what ever the case
acw,
Let's discuss this by email, ok? I really don't want to be educating people in a book-oriented environment like this. Borat has my email address and I'm sure he'd be glad to give it to you if you email him. I'd rather not post it here for fear of spam. Or if you post yours I'd be happy to write to you.
Let's discuss this by email, ok? I really don't want to be educating people in a book-oriented environment like this. Borat has my email address and I'm sure he'd be glad to give it to you if you email him. I'd rather not post it here for fear of spam. Or if you post yours I'd be happy to write to you.
I will send an email to Borat one of these days.
I am happy to educate bookies. Here in Macau I at least try to. Remember their purpose in life is to get bets from both sides, collect money from the losers and pay (me) the winners. I am happy to pay them a commission for doing that job. Unfortunately most of my help is in vain. They try to be smarter in all sorts of ways and have certain beliefs that are completely untrue. Two funny ones are:
A) Westerners have more knowledge on the European football than Asians, (because the matches are played in their own countries, so they know the players, trainers, etc).
B) The price on the favourite can be made more attractive, because there is a square bias on it.
Then comes the funniest one of all:
These days Westerners bet far more on the favourite than on the outsiders. Now they get confussed, because either A or B must be wrong. And if that is not enough, the real truth is: A+B are wrong!
The above is just looking at the minor nos. The real edge remains in collecting all possible data you can imagine (including the visibility of the moon) and then start analysing it. Those bookies that do (at least part of) this are the ones you should respect. In fact they are the ones that have sometimes educated me.
I am happy to educate bookies. Here in Macau I at least try to. Remember their purpose in life is to get bets from both sides, collect money from the losers and pay (me) the winners. I am happy to pay them a commission for doing that job. Unfortunately most of my help is in vain. They try to be smarter in all sorts of ways and have certain beliefs that are completely untrue. Two funny ones are:
A) Westerners have more knowledge on the European football than Asians, (because the matches are played in their own countries, so they know the players, trainers, etc).
B) The price on the favourite can be made more attractive, because there is a square bias on it.
Then comes the funniest one of all:
These days Westerners bet far more on the favourite than on the outsiders. Now they get confussed, because either A or B must be wrong. And if that is not enough, the real truth is: A+B are wrong!
The above is just looking at the minor nos. The real edge remains in collecting all possible data you can imagine (including the visibility of the moon) and then start analysing it. Those bookies that do (at least part of) this are the ones you should respect. In fact they are the ones that have sometimes educated me.
acw,
Interesting stuff on European football. I may get involved in that this summer when NBA is over.
About educating people...it's not the bookies I'm concerned about. Guys who imagine stuff that doesn't happen can be educated ad infinitum and it won't help them. I'm referring to everyday players whose interests I thought I was protecting by starting this thread. It looks like secretive dual lines and switcheroo policies are highly tolerated among players. If they don't get outraged by that and don't get involved to try to stop it then I say they deserve whatever consequences come from it. I'll just hop over to the other side and join the mafia. I'll keep the info. to myself for the most part (of course I'll share with intelligent people who I consider friends like you and Borat, for example) and be glad there are hoards of others who allow themselves to get screwed. It leaves more in the pie for me.
An interesting side note:
I tried the experiment over the weekend and to my surprise I did not run into a SINGLE line change at Hollywood -- neither on the confirmation screen nor the final approval. In this period I would have expected about 6-8 line changes and I got zero!!!
This means that either something flukey happened or they fixed their software (at least for me). In any case I am very pleased by this and my hat goes off to Hollywood
I will still keep my eyes open but I have a feeling I won't have to anymore.
Interesting stuff on European football. I may get involved in that this summer when NBA is over.
About educating people...it's not the bookies I'm concerned about. Guys who imagine stuff that doesn't happen can be educated ad infinitum and it won't help them. I'm referring to everyday players whose interests I thought I was protecting by starting this thread. It looks like secretive dual lines and switcheroo policies are highly tolerated among players. If they don't get outraged by that and don't get involved to try to stop it then I say they deserve whatever consequences come from it. I'll just hop over to the other side and join the mafia. I'll keep the info. to myself for the most part (of course I'll share with intelligent people who I consider friends like you and Borat, for example) and be glad there are hoards of others who allow themselves to get screwed. It leaves more in the pie for me.
An interesting side note:
I tried the experiment over the weekend and to my surprise I did not run into a SINGLE line change at Hollywood -- neither on the confirmation screen nor the final approval. In this period I would have expected about 6-8 line changes and I got zero!!!
This means that either something flukey happened or they fixed their software (at least for me). In any case I am very pleased by this and my hat goes off to Hollywood
I will still keep my eyes open but I have a feeling I won't have to anymore.
acw,
I just made my usual bets and if there had been a last-second line change (like there has been very often up to now) I was prepared to make a bet for $100 on the new line and another for $100 on the opposite side from another account on which I hadn't refreshed the screen. I would have tried to do these simultaneously. If the two bets are accepted and the lines are off by more than their advertised -107 juice, then I would have proved wrongdoing. But there were no last-second line changes to begin with so I couldn't go through with the test bets. Today I also made a few bets and again no line changes.
I just made my usual bets and if there had been a last-second line change (like there has been very often up to now) I was prepared to make a bet for $100 on the new line and another for $100 on the opposite side from another account on which I hadn't refreshed the screen. I would have tried to do these simultaneously. If the two bets are accepted and the lines are off by more than their advertised -107 juice, then I would have proved wrongdoing. But there were no last-second line changes to begin with so I couldn't go through with the test bets. Today I also made a few bets and again no line changes.
