Crazy stuff. Let's run down the list.
* Woman who get raped, or are at health risk when giving birth. One night stands, change their mind etc. Should all give birth still. I'm sure all that stuff is the woman's fault too. (I suppose invisible man floating in the sky just sorts this all out.)
*Children, kids in school should not recieve sex ed and or condoms even though all children are naturally curious about sex by age 12.
*(This one blows my mind) Woman, single Woman and girls (gulp, he said 'girls') should all NOT be allowed abortion as an option. Furthermore THEY SHOULD NOT BE ENTILTED TO ANY HEALTHCARE. Oh I get it, you think they HAVE to have the baby but it's go f*ck yourself if they want your help for healthcare. Lovely.
*Abstinance should be taught in school. Oh that's smart. That won't get them thinking about it more or drive their curiousity another level or anything.
*You're not sure of the actual moment 'life' is created. It's all just abortion.
*Some males think they have a right to being admanant for pro-life even though they are'nt the one having the child [This one used to crack me up, until I actually saw more than a few 'males' (Gender use loosely here) think this way.]
How do some of you even manage to breath?!
Interesting tidbit : 77% of single woman in prison or jail have a child.
The effects of pro-life are devastating to society, this becomes magnified under the Bush admin. An admin that is not for pro-education and job training policys. Not too mention the fact they wont give them any health care.
Because of Bush policy, we've had more abortions than ever. Sure. So what would have happened if we kept all of these babys?!
You would be paying welfare for a lot of them and you would be bitching about it. You would have single moms sticking a gun to someone's face to feed her kid. Maybe someone you know. And you would be bitching about that too. Fundamental religion. Hmm. Sounds very dangerous for some people.
* Woman who get raped, or are at health risk when giving birth. One night stands, change their mind etc. Should all give birth still. I'm sure all that stuff is the woman's fault too. (I suppose invisible man floating in the sky just sorts this all out.)
*Children, kids in school should not recieve sex ed and or condoms even though all children are naturally curious about sex by age 12.
*(This one blows my mind) Woman, single Woman and girls (gulp, he said 'girls') should all NOT be allowed abortion as an option. Furthermore THEY SHOULD NOT BE ENTILTED TO ANY HEALTHCARE. Oh I get it, you think they HAVE to have the baby but it's go f*ck yourself if they want your help for healthcare. Lovely.
*Abstinance should be taught in school. Oh that's smart. That won't get them thinking about it more or drive their curiousity another level or anything.
*You're not sure of the actual moment 'life' is created. It's all just abortion.
*Some males think they have a right to being admanant for pro-life even though they are'nt the one having the child [This one used to crack me up, until I actually saw more than a few 'males' (Gender use loosely here) think this way.]
How do some of you even manage to breath?!
Interesting tidbit : 77% of single woman in prison or jail have a child.
The effects of pro-life are devastating to society, this becomes magnified under the Bush admin. An admin that is not for pro-education and job training policys. Not too mention the fact they wont give them any health care.
Because of Bush policy, we've had more abortions than ever. Sure. So what would have happened if we kept all of these babys?!
You would be paying welfare for a lot of them and you would be bitching about it. You would have single moms sticking a gun to someone's face to feed her kid. Maybe someone you know. And you would be bitching about that too. Fundamental religion. Hmm. Sounds very dangerous for some people.
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koidog said:
You have got to be kidding. The rate of abortions of people who choose to get pregnant has got to be minute. The cognitive processes going on when about to have sex, especially after say some alcohol, does not deserve the same verb as what you decide to have from the restaurant menu. The human physiological makeup is surely stacked against a cold analysis 'in the heat of the moment'. Never been there? Sorry about that Koidog! But to have to live with that..to HAVE TO live with that...bring up, care for, provide for, an unwanted child, with much in society on your back (haters of welfare, lack of childcare, single parent discrimination, cost of education....) it seems draconian to not allow people to make their own choices about abortion.
All kinds of qualified parents want to adopt. Doesn't fit your wacked out view though does it Funk. Come on Lander, the one thing we agree on, make your presence felt. And xpanda, what the hell does race have to do with it????? I thought conservatives were the ones that thought of everything along racial lines. So much for that theory.
Yeah, 35,000,000 abortions sounds like a fine thing indeed.
It's a mega billion dollar industry!
Why... just think of all the unemployment some tighter restrictions and a more effective social approach to the problem would create!
By the way, don't they pay single mothers by the child? What a cash cow! Here's to modern industry.
I take my hat off.
It's a mega billion dollar industry!
Why... just think of all the unemployment some tighter restrictions and a more effective social approach to the problem would create!
By the way, don't they pay single mothers by the child? What a cash cow! Here's to modern industry.
I take my hat off.
Redneckman said:
"Conveniently leave out"? It wasn't relevant, or at least it wasn't relevant based on my interpretation of TRS's original statement. (Which was loosely written, and easily misinterpreted, as I did.)
And why are you attacking ME for making a race-related comment, but not attacking TRS for bringing it up in the first place? If race has nothing to do with it (with which I agree, this is a property rights issue, imo) then the little factoid that 30% of the population is black is also irrelevant.
Now who's hammering the point about race?
Sheesh.
And I'll add: I don't even like coming into these threads. A bunch of men yakking about what rights women do and do not have to their own bodies, and that which attaches itself to it, as though a foetus were somehow, magically, a separate thing and not of our dominion. None of you have a clue, no matter what side of the issue you fall on. I apologise for that dismissive position, but I'm tired of men who think that their opinion of what goes on inside my body is as much their business as it is mine. It isn't, and it never will be.
Redneckman said:
Not because you have a dick, but because you don't have a uterus, and as such, have no clue as to the ramifications of your position. Unless you're willing to have an argument about property rights, generally, and not some kind of moral servitude, specifically, I don't give a crap what you think of abortion.
Your apology about that whole race thing is accepted, btw.
koidog said:
You made it perfectly clear. Apparently I did not. To call it a choice with the same assumption of reasoning that that word usually entails is not appropriate IMO. And the consequences are harder than usual to analyse when hormones are raging through the bloodstreams. Are you a girl Koidog? I am not sure if you are ever going to have to bear the brunt of your opinions. Apart from maybe legislation to allow fathers of unwanted children to have rights in such matters, maybe this should be left to female legislators to debate.
RNMAN: Another strawman argument. Who the hell is talking about prosecution for infanticide. Nobody.
SH: Not within this thread at this moment, no.
But there are plenty of ardent anti-abortion types who are working to make abortion a criminal offense.
RNMAN: There are plenty of couples ready and willing to ADOPT.
SH: Cool. All they have to do is find a woman who will carry a fetus to term for them.
RNMAN: No need to suck babies out of wombs and smash their skull in my humble opinion.
SH: Babies don't get sucked out of wombs.
You are thinking of fetuses.
And for a woman in her third trimester who doesn't freely choose to carry a fetus for those final months, there's an urgent need for easier access to abortion.
Meanwhile, all pregnant women with any doubts about wanting to carry a fetus to term should be counseled to run, not walk, to the nearest licensed clinic and terminate as fast as possible.
First few weeks is best. First few months not quite as good, but just as effective. If you make sure and get 'er done before 90 days, there won't be a skull to smash. It's pretty much just a quick and fairly painless procedure and the removed parasite is quickly bagged and disposed of.
SH: Not within this thread at this moment, no.
But there are plenty of ardent anti-abortion types who are working to make abortion a criminal offense.
RNMAN: There are plenty of couples ready and willing to ADOPT.
SH: Cool. All they have to do is find a woman who will carry a fetus to term for them.
RNMAN: No need to suck babies out of wombs and smash their skull in my humble opinion.
SH: Babies don't get sucked out of wombs.
You are thinking of fetuses.
And for a woman in her third trimester who doesn't freely choose to carry a fetus for those final months, there's an urgent need for easier access to abortion.
Meanwhile, all pregnant women with any doubts about wanting to carry a fetus to term should be counseled to run, not walk, to the nearest licensed clinic and terminate as fast as possible.
First few weeks is best. First few months not quite as good, but just as effective. If you make sure and get 'er done before 90 days, there won't be a skull to smash. It's pretty much just a quick and fairly painless procedure and the removed parasite is quickly bagged and disposed of.
