Societal effects of abortion

[kingbill]

I would be interested in the social effects of an extra 1.5 million births a year in the USA. How would it affect the economy? Crime rates? Overcrowding in Schools, lost productivity from the Mothers being home from work on maternity leave. Would it result in Increased tax revenues? More tax payers in the long run? What about the unemployment rates?
No rhetoric just stats. Levistep, you seem to have a good handle on economics, what would the results be?

 

[whalewager]

How is illegal immigration affecting the US?

I dont see where an extra 1.5 million births is gonna hurt this country.

Sorry for the rhetoric.

 

[TheRightSide]

More people King the more money.

More important ? is what is it doing to the black population. With abortion, aids and prison and a high murder rate in the inner ciries. The black population is taking a hit. Yet they keep voting for the liberals.



What a way to explain why abortion is a good thing.

 

[xpanda]

More important ? is what is it doing to the black population.

Over 70% of abortions are to white women.

 

[D2bets]

More people King the more money.

More important ? is what is it doing to the black population. With abortion, aids and prison and a high murder rate in the inner ciries. The black population is taking a hit. Yet they keep voting for the liberals.

What a way to explain why abortion is a good thing.

So basically in your mind liberals cause women to choose abortions, to get aids, go to prison and kill each other. Fascinating.

No doubt that having more unwanted children would be a stress to the economy in many ways.

 

[koidog]

Over 70% of abortions are to white women.

Not in this Country. Over 30% are too black women. And blacks don't make up 30% of the population.

 

[eek.]

what the f**k has abortion got to do with race ?

 

[kingbill]

What a way to explain why abortion is a good thing.

I'm not sure that I said abortion is a good thing, anyone who has know someone who has had one can tell you it's not an easy decision to make. I think it's a necessary option for people to have, but so is sex education and a positive upbringing so abortion is a last resort.

Have any of you read Freakonomics? The author makes some interesting points about row v wade and the drop in crime in the mid nineties. He also tied in Romania's decision to outlaw abortion to increase the population and the dramatic effect it had on crime and the number of orphaned children in the country. I'm not 100% sold on all of his stats but it is an interesting take on things.

 

[koidog]

what the f**k has abortion got to do with race ?

I was just commenting on someone else's race comment. But as the thread title is Societal effects of abortion and blacks (in this country) have a much higher percentage of abortions per capita it does seem race plays a role.

 

[TheRightSide]

Thanks Koidog. I thought that they would be able to put 2+2 together but I gave then too much credit.

What's the matter EEK maybe where you live black people don't exist but here in America the land of the free they are actually allowed to be part of society. They actually count as people. They are free to abort future productive members of society they are free to kill thier own people. They are free to commit crimes and go to prison. Do you think that it's a good think they kill of a large % of thier own population. They will be a very asamll minority soon in this country. But where you live you already have that with people of color.

 

[DrunkenHorseplayer]

For a clear example of all the benefits of aborting fetuses (I don't call them people) look to China; without abortion that's how crowded the U.S. would eventually be. China has it right; one child per family then mandatory abortions.

 

[Conan]

Black, white... whatever

Doesn't anyone think that over 35 million abortions since Roe v Wade is a "bit" excessive.... maybe just a bit????????

Who's making that all possible anyway? Hmmmmmmmmm?

 

[RobFunk]

Thought you guys were pro-life, no?

Abortion rates increase under Bush's economy



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I read an article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Oct. 13, "Abortion rate's rise reflects drop in jobs, money, health care"). The data identifying trends are disturbing. When President Bush took office, the nation's abortion rate was decreasing and was at a 24-year low after a 17.4 percent decline during the 1990s. This was a steady decrease averaging 1.7 percent per year.


When Bush took office, it was expected that the abortion rate would continue its consistent course downward. Instead, the opposite happened: Kentucky's increased by 3.2 percent from 2000-2003, Michigan's by 11.3 percent, Pennsylvania's by 1.9 percent, and Colorado's skyrocketed by 111 percent. Eight other states that reported statistics for 2001 and 2002 saw an average increase of 14.6 percent. Given this information, 52,000 more abortions occurred in 2002 than would have been expected.


This should be no surprise for anyone familiar with why most women have abortions. Two-thirds of women who have abortions cite "inability to afford a child" as their primary reason. In this presidency, unemployment rates have increased. Not since Herbert Hoover had there been a net loss of jobs during a presidency until the current administration. Average real income has decreased, and for seven years the minimum wage has not been raised to match inflation. With less income, many prospective mothers fear another mouth to feed.

Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate. And men who are jobless usually do not marry. As male unemployment increases, marriages fall and abortion rises. Women worry about health care for themselves and their children. Because 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before this presidency, abortion increases.

This information tells us that economic policy and abortion are not separate issues: they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow without health care, health insurance, jobs, child care and a living wage.

Consequently, it looks like we have four more years with Bush (remember, "W" does not stand for "women") our economy will continue in the same number, with low salaries and few jobs equaling more abortions. People who are voting for Bush solely on the abortion issue may not want to think about this data.

Laura Loveless Mount Airy Originally published Monday, October 25, 2004

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[eek.]

Thankyou Rob for explaining why most women choose to have abortions.

Race is irrelevant. 2+2 does make 4.

Societal effects of Republican induced poverty.

 

[eek.]

And then when the poor DO choose to have children when they get pregnant...these twits lambast them for being welfare scroungers.

"They just pop a couple of kids and live on my welfare tax dollars."



...you might as well talk to an imbecile in a nursing home...

 

[Romanowski]

excerpt on this in the book Freakonomics, good read

 

[koidog]

Thankyou Rob for explaining why most women choose to have abortions.

Race is irrelevant. 2+2 does make 4.

Societal effects of Republican induced poverty.

Complete Bullshit. When asked why the State Economic Reasons?

What a surprise they don't say "I'm a selfish slut and got knocked up but don't want a kid"

 

[koidog]

A simple google search showed that 21% Used the Financial excuse as the main reason for killing their baby in 2004. WHile a total of 73% did include it as a reason.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

Scary you guys buy this hook line and sinker. A child is a financial burden?
Of course for all those except the very wealthy.

I simply do not get the choice Made to get pregnant in the first place. yes CHOICE as the rape/incenst Red herring thrwon out there so often is 1% of all abortions.

 

[Conan]

Abortion doesn't just happen as if... "Oh my God, Bush was elected and now we are too poor to afford a child." How irrelevant (but convenient) to point the finger.

I also notice that Loveless didn't mention a single state in the report where abortion rates actually dropped or continued to drop, citing only states where (assuming that the data is reliable) incidents of abortion increased as if to infer that some kind of Bush induced economic depression was a national problem? Why wasn't it more of an across the board increase state by state if that's the case?

Since when do these societal trends start and stop on a dime anyway? And, if it's not so apparant that it was for economic reasons that more women (in selected states) went under the knife (or vacuum tube or what have you) then what could it have been?

What makes sense to me is the message of our leader having his dick sucked in the oval office might convey to young IMPRESSIONABLE people who subsequently became of age or further loosened up their "affairs" during the final 4 years and after Clinton left office. It's OK to mess around and then lie about it. Oooooops, damn... got pregnant now what?

But you can go on blaming Bush if you wish. He's like a rain bucket of excuses for liberals who's idea of social architecture includes a family planning center in every town with sex ed and condoms in every GRAMMAR SCHOOL. Hell, most kids forget to take their lunch with them, but you are going to lay a responsibility like that on them and expect them to handle it like mature adults (who smoke cigars cured in vaginal fluids?)

 

[barman]

What a bunch of Moaning, Groaning and Speculation with none of it getting to the primary reason women terminate unwanted pregnancies, IMHO.

Quite simply, there's a lot of women who don't want to make the commitment to both carry a fetus to term and then the subsequent 20+ year commitment to responsibly raise and provide for the resulting baby.

Good news is that in The United States of America, a woman is not legally constrained to carry an unwanted fetus to term.

A corrolary response from me to the posted Topic here is that we spend less time wondering about the impact on society of an extra million babies per year in the U.S. and instead focus on ways we can increase easy and fast access to abortions for any female who wants them.

Regardless of one's personal views on abortions, we can all agree that if one is going to happen, it's better to have it done early.

Less costly, less risk of physical damage to the woman and less risk of emotional (albeit mostly irrational) damage to the woman and to others in her circle of influence.

We would benefit with more clinics and hospitals providing abortions in locales where there is currently little or no access.

And in those locales where there is plenty of reasonable access, we need to encourage the installation of Express Lanes.

Three cents...plus a quarter in your nearest collection plate, please.

Steve