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faith does not equal truth...you are correct there. i was simply stating that the movie is not a fantasy movie...it is based on history.

a man named Jesus lived in israel 2000 years ago. he claimed to be the son of God and got the religious people in charge all riled up. they handed him over to the romans who had him killed. this is all fact and part of history (roman history as well as the new testament). no one disputes this...this is fact...truth.

now, whether you believe his claim to be the son of God and whether you believe that the beating and torture he endured was something more than a man getting brutalized...that's where the faith comes in.
 

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Fair enough. But I thought Gibson's movie went a step further and showed him being resurrected, which is why I put that smart-aleck post in - if he wasn't resurrected or more than being a human being was ascribed to him by Mel, then mea culpa
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I saw mel on jay leno last night. I am not sure if this was a re run? I was very impressed with mel's demeanor and his well spokeness. his approach in talking about the film was very plausible.

he said he couldnt understand why he was being picked on for the violence when movies like "kill bill" are a lot worse. he also said a lot of the fabrications surrounding the movie prior to it's release also had bothered him.

he also said the movie was r rated for a reason and joked that the bible was r rated "a lot of crazy stuff happens in there" "its a hot book"

mel's an o.k. guy.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jazz:
Fair enough. But I thought Gibson's movie went a step further and showed him being resurrected, which is why I put that smart-aleck post in - if he wasn't resurrected or more than being a human being was ascribed to him by Mel, then mea culpa
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Jazz, are you Jewish?
 

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I assume you mean that in the sense of reaction against the film by some in the Jewish faith. No, I'm not - I don't believe in any sort of higher power. Which is why I'm not shelling out my shekels to watch this movie - I'll wait until it hits HBO sometime in the next decade and scope it out for gratis.
 

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What faith were you born into and do you bleive that there exists a superior being.(Again, thanks to you my cousin Villo for helping me to proof read.)
 

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Nice touch, Borat - lol! You knew I'd spot the lack of dialect in that last post
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Born into the Catholic faith, have an uncle who is a monsignor in that church, but religion never made any sense to me, after I got old enough to be able to read and think for myself, rather than accepting whatever happened to be put in front of me in the family. My answer to your other question is in my post above - no, I don't believe in any higher power whatsoever, in luck, supersitions, little green men visiting Earth, that crop circles are not simply made by hoaxers who enjoy making others look stupid, etc.
 

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Hey, Borat, fair's fair - hozabout you ansering the same questions?
 

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jazz, i think you'd be surprised how much evidence supports the biblical account of not only the life and death of Jesus, but also the resurrection.
 

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blue, not much surprises me any more, but if there is so much evidence, one would think it would have passed the critical examination of scientists around the world and then there would be no doubt. However, even my uncle admits all religion comes down to faith.
 

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Profiting from Passion


By JOHN LIPPMAN and MERISSA MARR
Wall Street Journal


(March 12) -- Mel Gibson is on track to reap at least $350 million in personal profits from his controversial "The Passion of the Christ" -- one of the biggest individual windfalls in Hollywood's long history of oversized payouts. The estimate is based on projections of people close to the film, as well as a consensus of people who routinely deal with the business aspects of filmmaking.

Mr. Gibson, 48 years old, owes the size of his bonanza in part to the major studios that spurned him: He financed the production himself and struck favorable deals with distributors. Given the enormous U.S. box-office take of "Passion" -- $228 million as of Wednesday -- its huge potential overseas ticket sales and its eventual DVD profits, the $350 million figure could well turn out to be low. Mr. Gibson's ultimate profits could soar to $400 million or more.

Hollywood insiders believe the only other filmmaker who personally profited as much from a single film is George Lucas, who financed and controlled all aspects of the release of his 1999 Star Wars movie, "The Phantom Menace." A spokeswoman for Mr. Lucas declined to comment. Other blockbuster movie makers, like Steven Spielberg, have generally worked within the studio system, which takes a big share of profits in return for financing and distributing films.

Not even the distributor of "Passion," Newmarket Films, anticipated the size of the audiences that have been flocking into theaters since the movie's opening on Feb. 25.

"I don't think anyone expected the film to do $125 million in the first five days," says Robert Schwartz, Newmarket's senior vice president of marketing and distribution. "We thought it might be capable of $45 million to $50 million, but beyond that it's a big gap."

Calculating Mr. Gibson's personal take of at least $350 million is fairly straightforward, although the final total will depend on a number of complicated factors. According to people familiar with the film, if the U.S. box-office receipts from "Passion" reach $400 million -- as many observers now expect -- Mr. Gibson will take home about $108 million. That number is derived by subtracting the theaters' share of the box-office receipts, Newmarket's distribution fee, and production and marketing costs. A spokesman for Mr. Gibson said he wasn't available for comment.

On top of his share of the U.S. ticket revenue, Mr. Gibson stands to earn at the very least another $100 million from overseas ticket sales, assuming the foreign box-office also reaches $400 million. That box-office figure is actually conservative, since the world-wide ticket sales from mega-hit U.S. movies often exceed the domestic sales. One question mark is Japan, the second-largest overseas market after Germany, where interest in a Western religious movie may not be high.

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The real gusher will come from DVD and video sales. Tom Adams, president of video market-research firm Adams Media Research, estimates that 22 million "Passion" DVDs will hit the world market, a number on par with the first "Harry Potter" movie or "Shrek." Based on average DVD prices -- and subtracting costs such as marketing and returns -- sales of those DVDs would yield $275 million. Mr. Gibson will share DVD revenue with Twentieth Century Fox Home Video, which has the rights to distribute the "Passion" DVD in the U.S. Fox declined to comment on the terms of the split.

"You have to figure he will get $100 million-plus," says Mr. Adams, referring to what he believes will be Mr. Gibson's piece of the DVD pie. But one person familiar with the agreement says the DVD deal with Fox more than flips the standard ratios between a producer and distributor in favor of Mr. Gibson's Icon Entertainment; that would result in additional tens of millions of dollars for Mr. Gibson.

Another big sum will come from the sale of pay-TV rights. Hollywood observers estimate Mr. Gibson will receive about $20 million from such a deal, plus at least $10 million from CD sales of the soundtrack, and another several million from licensing and merchandizing. Yes, there are "Passion" tie-in mugs as well as crucifix necklaces.

Together the total comes to about $350 million. But the ultimate sum could rise even higher if, as Newmarket's Mr. Schwartz believes, "Passion" exceeds the distributor's current North American box-office projections. "It's certainly in the realm of possibility that the film will top $400 million," Mr. Schwartz says.

That would make "Passion" a bigger hit than the top movie of last year, "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," which has so far taken in $368.9 million at the U.S. box office. The all-time record in U.S. ticket sales is held by 1997's "Titanic," with $600 million.

No doubt other star directors and actors are taking note of Mr. Gibson's strategy, and hoping that they, too, can emulate his success. Mr. Gibson was able to foot personally the $30 million production cost of "The Passion" because he has made a series of movies where he earned more than $25 million to star.


There are at least a half-dozen other stars in the $25 million-per-picture league, not to mention dozens more who earn more than $10 million per picture, a level of wealth that might make it possible for them to finance their own movies. Mr. Gibson hasn't announced his next movie project. A spokeswoman for Twentieth Century Fox says he is still "attached" to star in the fourth "Mad Max" movie, which the studio had hoped to release this summer.

The movie is now mired in development limbo, but Mr. Gibson said recently that he is no longer interested in being in it.

Fox has completed production on "Paparazzi," a thriller produced by Icon, but no release date has been set. In a recent TV interview, Mr. Gibson said there are other stories in the Bible he could foresee making into movies.

Bloated Benchmark?

It's Hollywood's equivalent of grade inflation. In 1990, only nine movies made it into the elite "blockbuster" ranks of $100 million in box office; in 2003, that number had jumped to 29. Well, $100 million isn't exactly what it used to be: The $286 million gross of "Home Alone," the 1990 hit, equals $380 million when adjusted for inflation.

So, isn't it time to raise the benchmark that defines "blockbuster"? Many studio-distribution chiefs don't think so. With 470 movies released last year, the 29-member top group "is still a pretty club to get into," says Dan Fellman, head of distribution at Warner Bros. The $100 million benchmark is still good, concurs Sony Pictures Vice Chairman Jeff Blake. One unstated benefit to the status quo: Hollywood can boast it has more "blockbusters" than ever before.

But Bruce Snyder, distribution chief at Twentieth Century Fox, thinks the times-are-a-changin'. "If you're not looking at $150 million, pay no attention to it as a blockbuster," he says. "We shouldn't be looking at 20 to 25 blockbusters a year."
 

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The WSJ article posted by KidVegas is pretty good in terms of what type of money Gibson would get. They do aim very, very high in their estimates for overseas and DVDs, but who knows, it could reach those numbers. Even with these high estimates, however, the figure will not touch or even come within $100,000,000 of half a bil.

always buried, you don't understand how profits are distributed from a movie. As I wrote in my earlier posts, exhibs take half from studio pictures, and Newmarket will have nowhere near the kind of leverage that a studio would have to collect that money. Normally these exhib/distrib percentages are worked out after the grosses are tallied but maybe in this case Newmarket had an agreement prior to release. Even if they did, exhibs could just not pay Newmarket and Newmarket has very little leverage for getting paid.

It's a complicated business and probably too hard to describe in just a paragraph or two, but trust me, half a bil is way too high a figure for Gibson's take on this film.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by joeybagadonuts:
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What "evidence" are you speaking of?
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probably a topic to deep and detailed for a gambling forum. if you, or anyone else, are interested...shoot me an email at edwardsblue@yahoo.com. i can try to provide as much information as available. i have actually studied this quite a bit. i'd be happy to pass along what i have learned.

i used to think you needed a "blind faith" to believe in the miracles and resurrection and other things in the bible. now i have discovered that there is evidence for these things. you still need faith (there is no video tape of Jesus walking out of the tomb) but not a "blind faith". faith that is based on reason and supported by evidence.
 

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This is an article detailing what I was talking about when I referred to WSJ's estimates being way, way too high. As noted in the article, Germany is the largest overseas market for Hollywood films.

As a side note, my only comment on the rest of the posts is that if you need evidence to believe in something as powerful as your faith, then you are looking at your relationship with God the wrong way. Just my opinion.

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Germans cool to 'Passion'
Less than heavenly B.O. is bad news for debt-laden distrib
 
By ED MEZA
 
BERLIN -- Unimpressed by the hype surrounding "The Passion of the Christ," most Germans say they won't bother to see Mel Gibson's retelling of Jesus' last hours.

Some 53% of 1,003 people surveyed by the Emnid research group said they had no desire to see the film, compared to 38% who favored seeing it.

"The Passion" opened last week in Germany to lower-than-expected box office returns. Grossing nearly $2.4 million from 286,000 admissions in its first four days, pic landed second behind Disney's "Brother Bear."

Some 17% of those polled said they were put off by the publicity, including reports of violence and torture.

Violent films, especially war pics, rarely play well among German auds. Local critics have panned the pic for showcasing Jesus' brutal death while ignoring his message and his life.

Perhaps a reflection of Germans' perception of Hollywood, 49% thought Gibson had used violence as a marketing ploy to drum up attention for the movie.

The film's less than heavenly B.O. is bad news for its distributor, Constantin Film. Facing a net loss for 2003, the entertainment group was hoping for salvation, or at least an improved bottom line, through "The Passion" and moved its release date by three weeks in hopes of benefiting from its Stateside success.

Constantin shares have fallen 25% to $6.60 since the pic opened on Thursday.
 

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Damn shame I can't come over for a Bible study with Blue...He seems to know his stuff in that dept...very inspirational
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nick Douglas:
This is an article detailing what I was talking about when I referred to WSJ's estimates being way, way too high. As noted in the article, Germany is the largest overseas market for Hollywood films.

As a side note, my only comment on the rest of the posts is that if you need evidence to believe in something as powerful as your faith, then you are looking at your relationship with God the wrong way. Just my opinion.

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Germans cool to 'Passion'
Less than heavenly B.O. is bad news for debt-laden distrib
 
By ED MEZA
 
BERLIN -- Unimpressed by the hype surrounding "The Passion of the Christ," most Germans say they won't bother to see Mel Gibson's retelling of Jesus' last hours.

Some 53% of 1,003 people surveyed by the Emnid research group said they had no desire to see the film, compared to 38% who favored seeing it.

"The Passion" opened last week in Germany to lower-than-expected box office returns. Grossing nearly $2.4 million from 286,000 admissions in its first four days, pic landed second behind Disney's "Brother Bear."

Some 17% of those polled said they were put off by the publicity, including reports of violence and torture.

Violent films, especially war pics, rarely play well among German auds. Local critics have panned the pic for showcasing Jesus' brutal death while ignoring his message and his life.

Perhaps a reflection of Germans' perception of Hollywood, 49% thought Gibson had used violence as a marketing ploy to drum up attention for the movie.

The film's less than heavenly B.O. is bad news for its distributor, Constantin Film. Facing a net loss for 2003, the entertainment group was hoping for salvation, or at least an improved bottom line, through "The Passion" and moved its release date by three weeks in hopes of benefiting from its Stateside success.

Constantin shares have fallen 25% to $6.60 since the pic opened on Thursday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it is not suprising that germans are not excited about this film. church attendance in most european countries is less than 20%.

by the way nick, regarding your initial comment about faith and evidence...i think i understand what you mean but, if there is evidence that supports what you believe, i think it is in your interest, as a believer, to know what that evidence is.

some people have so much faith that they do not need any evidence...they just believe. i am not like that. it took me over 1 year of searching, asking questions, debating, going to debates before i was convinced. now i admit that i am probably more skeptical than most but, that's what it took for me.

to me, answering the question was important enough for me to keep digging for a year. now that i have answers to pretty much all of my questions, the christian faith is much easier to believe for me personally and i am prepared to defend it.

without my search, i would be reduced to statements like "well, that's just what i believe" when someone questioned the bible or any part of the christian doctrine. if a christian is up against an educated, articulate non-believer...that kind of response will not get you very far.
 

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Im going to see this one so I can give my opinion. It's a movie. My cook said she had problems with it cause they were making money off God. I said..

Have you been to church lately?
 

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BELO HORIZONTE, Brazil (Reuters) - A Brazilian pastor died of an apparent heart attack while watching the Mel Gibson film "The Passion of the Christ," witnesses say.

Jose Geraldo Soares, a 43-year-old Presbyterian pastor, had reserved two movie theaters at a Belo Horizonte shopping mall on Sunday afternoon to see the film with his family and the congregations of two local churches.

But halfway through the movie, Soares' wife noticed that he was no longer awake. A doctor who was also watching the film tended to Soares, but the priest was already dead.

"He was calmly watching the movie next to his wife," said Amauri Costa, a family friend who also attended Soares' funeral on Monday.

Soares is at least the second person to die while watching "The Passion," which opened in Brazil on Friday. Peggy Scott, 56, died of a heart attack on Feb. 25 in Wichita, Kansas while watching film's climactic crucifixion scene.

The film, which was praised by Catholic leaders in Brazil as a faithful depiction of events in the Bible, has been criticized by many for its violent and bloody portrayal of Christ's final hours.
 

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