So the Iran Nuclear Deal....where do you stand?

[ScottL]

Overall I'd say bad deal because we can't trust Iran and allowing them to become an economic power is going to strengthen them over time. However, our hand wasn't as strong as people are saying, the status quo was pretty much over and US knew that. They got 10% of the worlds oil reserves and once they ramp up production, they can begin selling a good portion of their day to day production to China. Sanctions only work if you have cooperation across the board.

We would've had a lot more leverage if we could threaten invasion, but because Iraq was such a disaster for us, that threat likely would ring hollow.

The one potential silver lining is they do have a very young population and once those people get a piece of the benefits associated with exporting the world's most valuable commodity, they will never want the sanctions to comeback.

As far as weapons inspections, I dunno anything about that. Moving a uranium facility every 3 weeks seems pretty hard but if you wanna end the world I guess you could make the logistics work.

One of the most alarming and catastrophic elements being overlooked in yesterday's give-away deal to the mullahs is that Iran will soon receive $150 billion dollars. With that money they can immediately go after Israel with tens of billions in horrific conventional weapons, missiles, bombers... way before any nuclear bomb is fully functional. Israel will be overwhelmed as never before, and America will be more vulnerable to Iranian plots financed, bizarrely, by Mr. Obama's giveaways. The mullahs can now echo Lenin: "The West will supply us the rope to hang them.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/obamas_deal_150_billion_to_iran_to_destroy_israel_with_conventional_arms.html
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[PatsFan1283]

It's easy to put sanctions on NK, they don't got shit anyone wants.

 

[festeringZit]

Great, not good idea. The top powers in the world united to get Iran to shelve their Nuke aspirations. Best thing to happen for World Peace in a long, long time. All parties should be congratulated. Hopefully Iran follows through on their commitment, but there are enough carrots to think they will, and enough verification procedures to verify that they are. Hopefully the extremists here and in Iran, and elsewhere don't scuttle this. I'm glad Kerry was negotiating this and not Hillary.

I seriously think this guy is completely out of his mind insane.

 

[Michelangelo]

Can you please stop with your completely inaccurate information. In 2012 there were 4 percent of high school drop outs that voted

in 2008 they estimate about 3 percent of those voting were on welfare.

How would anyone know these stats? Just completely made up.

 

[vitterd]

How would anyone know these stats? Just completely made up.

Actually they aren't made up. Very easy to find.....go take a look.

 

[Michelangelo]

Tell me how they were compiled.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Tell me how they were compiled.

Exit polls for levels of education. It is a pretty good approximation.

 

[Michelangelo]

Except I vote in every election and have never seen such an exit poll.

Sorry, but I don't believe that people are gonna tell the truth about being a HS dropout even if such polls do exist.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Except I vote in every election and have never seen such an exit poll.

Sorry, but I don't believe that people are gonna tell the truth about being a HS dropout even if such polls do exist.

Ya, that's the problem with exit polls. People can lie their asses off.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Even if some people lie, it isn't going to change the approximation that much.

They've taken exit polls for years and the voting demographics by income lineup pretty evenly when compared with historical results.

I guess it could be a little off but it isn't gonna deviate too much from the truth.

What does all this have to do with Iran?

 

[vitterd]

Even if some people lie, it isn't going to change the approximation that much.

They've taken exit polls for years and the voting demographics by income lineup pretty evenly when compared with historical results.

I guess it could be a little off but it isn't gonna deviate too much from the truth.

What does all this have to do with Iran?

Actually nothing to do with Iran but I was correcting Willie wildly inaccurate comments.

The problem is....these guys see long lines of black people voting as shown by Fox News....so they assume those are either drop outs or welfare queens.....so when the actual numbers are posted they can't believe they are real. It's been going on here for years.

 

[Michelangelo]

Pats, you're a bright guy. I'm not gonna get into some big back and forth about this subject. But if you believe that in 2008 only 3 percent of welfare recipients voted, the year that the first black Democrat had a chance to win the White House, well... Ditto for HS dropouts in 2012. 4% when the candidate was Barack Obama? Not even close to accurate. Mind you, I have no idea who did the polling or is quoting these bogus statistics except Vit.

 

[vitterd]

Pats, you're a bright guy. I'm not gonna get into some big back and forth about this subject. But if you believe that in 2008 only 3 percent of welfare recipients voted, the year that the first black Democrat had a chance to win the White House, well... Ditto for HS dropouts in 2012. 4% when the candidate was Barack Obama? Not even close to accurate. Mind you, I have no idea who did the polling or is quoting these bogus statistics except Vit.

Why don't you just search out the stats.....you can find them easy with just a search......that is if you wanna find them

 

[Michelangelo]

Just because somebody says that they are accurate does not make them accurate.

 

[vitterd]

Just because somebody says that they are accurate does not make them accurate.

I'm guessing that if the stats came from God.....you're gonna not believe them....so it really doesn't matter.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Pats, you're a bright guy. I'm not gonna get into some big back and forth about this subject. But if you believe that in 2008 only 3 percent of welfare recipients voted, the year that the first black Democrat had a chance to win the White House, well... Ditto for HS dropouts in 2012. 4% when the candidate was Barack Obama? Not even close to accurate. Mind you, I have no idea who did the polling or is quoting these bogus statistics except Vit.

I assume what you are saying is right that it is higher, a lot of people wouldn't be like "Yup HS dropout, put me down for that" but how much higher? More than like 20-30% seems like a lot (so 4% bump to 5%ish) So while it is higher, in terms of judging the exit polls I think it is probably a negligible amount.

Also fwiw, it isn't 4% of HS dropouts. It is HS dropouts compromising 4% of the ENTIRE voting base, see the difference? HS dropouts just a small amount of the population that is eligible to vote. I just looked this up and the dropout rate in the US is 8%. So 1/2 that 8% votes, a lot probably don't care then a lot probably can't because of criminal record.

Of actual HS/welfare recipients who vote it is probably like 35%-40% (of eligibles) I dunno the exact #, probably comes in a little below the national average though.

 

[Michelangelo]

3 out of 100 welfare recipients voted on the day that a black man, who was also a trough filling Democrat, had the chance to be the first black president. Sure.

I said I was not gonna get into it with Pats and that's all I have to offer you, Vit. Those are bad stats. Period.

 

[PatsFan1283]

3 out of 100 welfare recipients voted on the day that a black man, who was also a trough filling Democrat, had the chance to be the first black president. Sure.

I said I was not gonna get into it with Pats and that's all I have to offer you, Vit. Those are bad stats. Period.

Should atleast read my post. I was agreeing with you but just offering more context to the #s. This isn't a particularly divisive issue to me, just #s.

I'm sure it's like 40/100 HS dropouts. It is just 3-4% of the entire voting block.

 

[Michelangelo]

Well Pats, then that is a very different statistic than the one Vit is quoting.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Well Pats, then that is a very different statistic than the one Vit is quoting.

Yeah if he is saying 4% of HS dropouts vote then he is wrong. But that isn't an exact poll issue, that is just him being wrong.