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One million in cash with pensions and social security.....that would do it......maybe three quarters of a million.....

I'm looking at multiple sources of income.

DROP account of over 1 million
Monthly pension of $4600
Over 100K in my deferred comp
Social security at 67
403b from a side job

House will be paid off

My plan is to live off of my pension and the interest from my DROP account.
 

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How much does this couple need for housing costs? And how much disposable income do they want a month? And how many years before they care if their money runs out? I would advise age 90 as a rule of thumb

Then I'll give you a number

Let's go for $2500 on the monthly housing expenditure. We can say 84 on the money running out (that way I stay consistent with the original scenario). Disposable Income...hmmm? Well, let's be modest and say 60% of current annual take home of $140k (most financial models I see normally say 80%), so $7k a month.
 

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Let's go for $2500 on the monthly housing expenditure. We can say 84 on the money running out (that way I stay consistent with the original scenario). Disposable Income...hmmm? Well, let's be modest and say 60% of current annual take home of $140k (most financial models I see normally say 80%), so $7k a month.

My goal is around 90 to 100k a year before taxes, but with house paid off and no bills other than stuff like insurance, utilities, etc...
I think a huge key is having the house paid off and as little debt as possible.
 

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a lot of my friends have decent money or live in really nice houses ... Talking $1Mil and Up
it's a circle of people the Wife and I have known for many years.

some time earlier this year this was brought up by one of the couples
They own their own business which has been around for 30+ year, and they work like animals ....

Anyway someone at the table asked them or I believe said to them, You guy must be close to retirement ...
Well it was like telling them to F off, because the wife said they are nowhere near retirement !

They seem to be always busy and very successful ... unless that's because they usually say so. But We kind of believe that since they own a very known brand
in their industry...

So the wife says, we are not there ... and NEED $5 Million in order to retire !!
a slight argument broke out with two other couples with them. Both saying that you don't need $5 Mil to retire, who told you that ?
and so you know, the two other couples are probably worth between $20 - $50 Mil ( one couple lives in a $2.1 Million home, the other a $3.5 Mil house )
they are not retired either, and both believe $2 Mil is enough to retire if you wanted to.

Long island is a huge nut to live. Even if you have a $500,000 house, your taxes are probably around $15,000
depending where on LI you live

The two couples above pay $30K and $42K in taxes.

in the long run, you need a lot of money to live in this area...

Now you can be smart and sell that Tax Hell of a house and move down South
My place in Florida, taxes $4300, up here in NY .... Forget about it !

Just WOW on the taxes.
My house is worth 7-800k. My taxes are about $3600.
 

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I'm looking at multiple sources of income.

DROP account of over 1 million
Monthly pension of $4600
Over 100K in my deferred comp


Social security at 67
403b from a side job

House will be paid off

My plan is to live off of my pension and the interest from my DROP account.




please explain to the masses the 'DROP' ACCOUNT
 

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please explain to the masses the 'DROP' ACCOUNT

The DROP account is this, once I hit my 20 years with the city, I entered DROP. My monthly pension check of $4600 is deposited into the account, and then interest is added to it. The interest rate is never less than 2.5 or higher than 7%. We used to also have our monthly contribution added in as well, but during the last Legislative year, we had some pension restructuring done. The DROP program was started in 1995, and was eliminated in 2004 for new hires. It was primarily done to keep personnel from leaving after 20 years and finding another job.

The best part is that I still work full-time with full pay, while my DROP account grows year after year.
 

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What about currency risk? The USD is essentially worthless fiat toilet paper, do you really think there aren't going to be drastic changes to the world's financial system? Get some Bitcoin for real.

Oh, and Wells Fargo let people withdraw based on their word in the 1800's. Sure they did. Make sure you keep your money there. LOL.
 

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a lot of my friends have decent money or live in really nice houses ... Talking $1Mil and Up
it's a circle of people the Wife and I have known for many years.

some time earlier this year this was brought up by one of the couples
They own their own business which has been around for 30+ year, and they work like animals ....

Anyway someone at the table asked them or I believe said to them, You guy must be close to retirement ...
Well it was like telling them to F off, because the wife said they are nowhere near retirement !

They seem to be always busy and very successful ... unless that's because they usually say so. But We kind of believe that since they own a very known brand
in their industry...

So the wife says, we are not there ... and NEED $5 Million in order to retire !!
a slight argument broke out with two other couples with them. Both saying that you don't need $5 Mil to retire, who told you that ?
and so you know, the two other couples are probably worth between $20 - $50 Mil ( one couple lives in a $2.1 Million home, the other a $3.5 Mil house )
they are not retired either, and both believe $2 Mil is enough to retire if you wanted to.

Long island is a huge nut to live. Even if you have a $500,000 house, your taxes are probably around $15,000
depending where on LI you live


The two couples above pay $30K and $42K in taxes.

in the long run, you need a lot of money to live in this area...

Now you can be smart and sell that Tax Hell of a house and move down South
My place in Florida, taxes $4300, up here in NY .... Forget about it !

:monsters-


had to double check that, not far off!

https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-york-property-tax-calculator#JYeMgkULIa


any kind of retirement planning starts with an assessment of expenses. Personally , HATE the word 'retirement'- sounds like its time to die, head to a pasture. Change it to 'financial independence'; having the freedom to do as you please.
 

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actually when i put long island city ($500,000 house) in the calculator its actually quite low $3980.. ...put in Suffolk County and a $500,000 appraised house is paying over $11,000 in property taxes. Quite the disparity within the state
 

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What about currency risk? The USD is essentially worthless fiat toilet paper, do you really think there aren't going to be drastic changes to the world's financial system? Get some Bitcoin for real.

Oh, and Wells Fargo let people withdraw based on their word in the 1800's. Sure they did. Make sure you keep your money there. LOL.


Let me get this straight - your solution to currency risk is to buy Bitcoin? Lol.
 

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Let me get this straight - your solution to currency risk is to buy Bitcoin? Lol.
Not solely, but the people in Venezuela that did sure are glad they bought some. The USD is toast, guaranteed to fail, and probably within our lifetimes. Real assets are the best, but Bitcoin will outperform real estate for awhile.
 

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My house is worth 1.3 m and I paid $4200 in tax this year plus another $700 for sewer and water
 

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let me guess...British Columbia? or rather The Shit Show that is real estate in BC(no house in 416- area of Ontario valued at 1.3 mill is paying $4200 is taxes, um nope). NOTHING puts flames on residential real estate more powerfully than rising interest rates...up she goes again, and 2-3 more times in 2019. 10 years of cheap money is DONE WITH....couldnt be happier. That Horgan chap going to go through with that spec., tax? must be fun times in BC to be a real estate agent; Audi's returned for Tercel's?...lol
 

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I'm looking at multiple sources of income.

DROP account of over 1 million
Monthly pension of $4600
Over 100K in my deferred comp
Social security at 67
403b from a side job

House will be paid off

My plan is to live off of my pension and the interest from my DROP account.

Dude, your agencies DROP is sick!!

My opinion, when planning for retirement a person should ask "how much do I need per month?" And that's your answer on how much money do you need to retire.

Like texasfan, I have pensions, DROP, and deferred comp/Roth IRA, etc. By the time I collect SS (I'm probably going to take it immediately), I'll probably be drawing $12K/month - and that's not touching anything I have in an IRA/Roth/Deferred comp account. I plan to retire around 55 (7 years, give/take a few months), and the income will be a little less until I hit 60 (when I can collect a small Federal pension....and then 62 for SS to add to it).
 

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Dude, your agencies DROP is sick!!

My opinion, when planning for retirement a person should ask "how much do I need per month?" And that's your answer on how much money do you need to retire.

Like texasfan, I have pensions, DROP, and deferred comp/Roth IRA, etc. By the time I collect SS (I'm probably going to take it immediately), I'll probably be drawing $12K/month - and that's not touching anything I have in an IRA/Roth/Deferred comp account. I plan to retire around 55 (7 years, give/take a few months), and the income will be a little less until I hit 60 (when I can collect a small Federal pension....and then 62 for SS to add to it).

Our DROP used to be even better, but concessions were made last year to ensure our pension stays strong. I'm hoping that the WEP will be eventually removed as it affects anyone who receives a pension by reducing their social security. I've fully paid into social security, why should I be penalized?
 

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Our DROP used to be even better, but concessions were made last year to ensure our pension stays strong. I'm hoping that the WEP will be eventually removed as it affects anyone who receives a pension by reducing their social security. I've fully paid into social security, why should I be penalized?

Agree on the WEP issue. Such bullshit.

Our DROP was 3 years initially at 8.4%....then moved to 5 years. They just recently changed the interest to anywhere from 0% to (I think) 18% (depending on the market) - they sold it as "it will average around 6%". Our city just did away w/ the pension for new hires; they get a 401K style plan where the employee puts in 10% and city matches 25%. It's a 3-year contract so we expect the city will screw them over and drop that to a more reasonable amount of 10-15% (still saving the city a ton of money either way). I can't believe the union allowed it to happen. I'm retired now (from that job) and building my military pension. I didn't get the full DROP, which is really my only 'regret' about leaving early (I just couldn't stand the job anymore).
 

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Could be as low as $0 (or even lower).

If old (like 60+), social security would be $1,000+ per month each. Add another $1,000 per month each for side work, hustling, gambling, et cetera. A paid off house sold for $500,000 would be another $2,000 per month just in interest, or more like another $3,000 if it's going to be spent down over 30 years.

If young (like 37), a military pension would be about $2,500 per month per person (more for an officer). And pretty much no limits on how to use their time if that isn't enough.
 

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