Smart is dumb. The projected 2nd or 3rd pick of a weak draft is staying in school for another year.

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I agree he should of went this year, just trying to see the other side. If your looking at just upfront money then he made the wrong move. But look at Darko, guy was #2 overall pick, he is 27 years old and already out of the NBA after 6 years, played only 1 game last season. Considered a bust but made good money. Maybe if he developed his game more before going pro he could of lasted longer

Fair point, but that is a question that can't ever be answered, so that is why he most go.
 

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I'm talking about draft positions not the player.

Me too. Luck was a can't miss #1 after his soph year, and when he decided to stay for his junior year he did that knowing that barring injury he was likely to be #1 in the 2012 draft as well. So no, staying at Stanford didn't hurt his draft position.


That is the difference I was talking about. Luck could afford to stay because he was widely touted as the best QB prospect in 15 years. Marcus Smart doesn't have this luxury. He is risking slipping from a top 3 pick right out of the lottery. That is stupid.
 

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Me too. Luck was a can't miss #1 after his soph year, and when he decided to stay for his junior year he did that knowing that barring injury he was likely to be #1 in the 2012 draft as well. So no, staying at Stanford didn't hurt his draft position.

That is the difference I was talking about. Luck could afford to stay because he was widely touted as the best QB prospect in 15 years. Marcus Smart doesn't have this luxury. He is risking slipping from a top 3 pick right out of the lottery. That is stupid.

You make a good point however Luck could've had a miserable Junior year similar to what happened to Barkley. Barkley was considered a top 5 pick as well now he's in the shit house.
 

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You make a good point however Luck could've had a miserable Junior year similar to what happened to Barkley. Barkley was considered a top 5 pick as well now he's in the shit house.

Disagree, Luck was too "can't miss". Comparing Smart to Barkley makes sense to me; that is a very apt comparison and actually illustrates the point. Smart is risking making the same mistake Barkley did, and even more so due to the strength of this year's draft compared to next year's. Smart will almost CERTAINLY slip, whether he has a good year or not.

Comparing Luck to either one of these guys is a stretch.

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Disagree, Luck was too "can't miss". Comparing Smart to Barkley makes sense to me; that is a very apt comparison and actually illustrates the point. Smart is risking making the same mistake Barkley did, and even more so due to the strength of this year's draft compared to next year's. Smart will almost CERTAINLY slip, whether he has a good year or not.

Comparing Luck to either one of these guys is a stretch.

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I really have nothing to add but if it was me I'd go pro for sure. Ain't no way I'm making The Man rich for free tuition when I can get paid millions to do the samething.
 

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Luck was widely projected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, but decided to return for his junior season.[SUP][4][/SUP] Right after the 2011 draft, in May 2011, he was unanimously projected as the top prospect for the 2012 NFL Draft.

Smart's situation is completely opposite, experts are basically unanimously projecting Smart's position to slip.

Come on Enfuego, this makes no sense.
 

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Luck was widely projected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, but decided to return for his junior season.[SUP][4][/SUP] Right after the 2011 draft, in May 2011, he was unanimously projected as the top prospect for the 2012 NFL Draft.

Smart's situation is completely opposite, experts are basically unanimously projecting Smart's position to slip.

Come on Enfuego, this makes no sense.

I guess when I posted about Luck I was really thinking about the potential for injury. Of course the chance it may happen is always possible.
 

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Me too. Luck was a can't miss #1 after his soph year, and when he decided to stay for his junior year he did that knowing that barring injury he was likely to be #1 in the 2012 draft as well. So no, staying at Stanford didn't hurt his draft position.


That is the difference I was talking about. Luck could afford to stay because he was widely touted as the best QB prospect in 15 years. Marcus Smart doesn't have this luxury. He is risking slipping from a top 3 pick right out of the lottery. That is stupid.

He is not risking that. He is absolutely doing that.
The chances of him being the 2nd pick of next years draft is the same odds as you and me being being the 2nd pick of next years draft.

Smart will be very lucky if he is a top 8 pick next year.
Thats if he has a great season.
 

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You make a good point however Luck could've had a miserable Junior year similar to what happened to Barkley. Barkley was considered a top 5 pick as well now he's in the shit house.

Barkley and Smart are 2 different cases.
Barkley was actually smart staying in school although in the end it did not work out. At least his strategy was sound.

His thinking was instead of coming out early into the strongest QB draft since 1983 with LUCK and RG3.
He choose to wait it out until this season where its one of the weakest QB drafts in the last 10 years.

The strategy by Barkley was sound and it made perfect sense.

What Smart is doing is the opposite.
Instead of him taking advantage of being apart of one of the weakest NBA drafts in the last 10 years he is going to wait it out till next season and become apart of the strongest draft since ODEN and Durant.

This is crazy.

The only way this strategy makes any sense whatsoever is if he stays 3 years.
If he comes out next year he is nuts.

The reason Smart is the #2 pick in this years draft is not because he is a top 2 talent.
Its because of the weakness of this years draft.
 

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Barkley and Smart are 2 different cases.
Barkley was actually smart staying in school although in the end it did not work out. At least his strategy was sound.

His thinking was instead of coming out early into the strongest QB draft since 1983 with LUCK and RG3.
He choose to wait it out until this season where its one of the weakest QB drafts in the last 10 years.

The strategy by Barkley was sound and it made perfect sense.

What Smart is doing is the opposite.
Instead of him taking advantage of being apart of one of the weakest NBA drafts in the last 10 years he is going to wait it out till next season and become apart of the strongest draft since ODEN and Durant.

This is crazy.

The only way this strategy makes any sense whatsoever is if he stays 3 years.
If he comes out next year he is nuts.

The reason Smart is the #2 pick in this years draft is not because he is a top 2 talent.
Its because of the weakness of this years draft.

Don't agree at all. Barkley was a top 5 pick last year. Who cares about the QB draft class.
 

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Don't agree at all. Barkley was a top 5 pick last year. Who cares about the QB draft class.

Barkley would have been the 3rd QB drafted last season. Maybe even the 4th.

He was all but certain to the #1 QB this season had the season not gone bad.

I am not saying Barkley made the 100% correct choice.

But I can at least see the strategy in his choice.

I can at least figure out in my head what he was thinking when he made the choice to play 1 more year in college.

Smart's choice makes absolutely no sense.

There is no upside here unless he is planning on staying at least 3 years.
 

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Barkley would have been the 3rd QB drafted last season. Maybe even the 4th.

He was all but certain to the #1 QB this season had the season not gone bad.

I am not saying Barkley made the 100% correct choice.

But I can at least see the strategy in his choice.

I can at least figure out in my head what he was thinking when he made the choice to play 1 more year in college.

Smart's choice makes absolutely no sense.

There is no upside here unless he is planning on staying at least 3 years.

Third QB taken and possibly 3rd, 4th or 5th overall in the draft.
 

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Third QB taken and possibly 3rd, 4th or 5th overall in the draft.

Or he could stay one more year and be #1.

Smart has zero chance of being the #2 pick in next years draft.
He could fall completely out of the lottery.

His best case for next season is #6.
He is a lock for #2 or #3 this season.

This is apples and oranges.

Barkley had every reason to believe he would go from 3rd QB to 1st QB by staying one more year.
 

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Don't a lot of these guys have insurance policy in case of injury? Seems like I remember when Willis Mgahee (sp) got hurt back in the day there was a lot of talk about that.

i don't know much background on Smart, but I do know he is from Flower Mound, TX. Not sure if he comes from money or not, but Flower Mound is a pretty wealthy area Northeast of Ft. worth.........even if he does come from money, I still think turning down nba is a dumb move for him
 

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Or he could stay one more year and be #1.

Smart has zero chance of being the #2 pick in next years draft.
He could fall completely out of the lottery.

His best case for next season is #6.
He is a lock for #2 or #3 this season.

This is apples and oranges.

Barkley had every reason to believe he would go from 3rd QB to 1st QB by staying one more year.

So the rationale for Barkley staying is to go from the possible #3 overall pick in the draft to his senior year just so he can be the #1 pick and first overall QB taken a year later?

That makes a ton of sense.
 

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So the rationale for Barkley staying is to go from the possible #3 overall pick in the draft to his senior year just so he can be the #1 pick and first overall QB taken a year later?

That makes a ton of sense.

A whole lot more sense then staying another year and it being a 100% lock that you will drop at least 5 spots the next season if you are lucky and have a great year.
 

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A whole lot more sense then staying another year and it being a 100% lock that you will drop at least 5 spots the next season if you are lucky and have a great year.

What makes you think next year's NBA draft class is going to be so much better?

Remember, this year's UK class was supposed to be great as well.
 

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