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Since I also havent answered the thread question, I do not think we should be involved in Darfur.
We have enough problems here and yet still have our paws in too many other places trying to solve their problems.
We are a debtor nation and its time we acted like one, rather than sending money and troops to every corner of the planet.
Since I also havent answered the thread question, I do not think we should be involved in Darfur.
We have enough problems here and yet still have our paws in too many other places trying to solve their problems.
We are a debtor nation and its time we acted like one, rather than sending money and troops to every corner of the planet.
The Answer Is No Right Side! And Thanks For Such Nice Words!
This is exactly what the UN is in place for, to help struggling, poor nations out. Our UN representative should also be outfront on this issue. The only problem with that is that we have offended most of the nations in the world by being unilateral bullies in Iraq. Monetary support on top of UN troops being instrumental to dealing with a terrible situation.
At one point I thought you were a gentleman RS, what happened? A good act, I guess. Very mean- spirited now, and not even nice.:cryingcry
This is exactly what the UN is in place for, to help struggling, poor nations out. Our UN representative should also be outfront on this issue. The only problem with that is that we have offended most of the nations in the world by being unilateral bullies in Iraq. Monetary support on top of UN troops being instrumental to dealing with a terrible situation.
At one point I thought you were a gentleman RS, what happened? A good act, I guess. Very mean- spirited now, and not even nice.:cryingcry
The world watches as a new holocaust is happening. We should help these people, someone must help these people. People are being exterminated because of their religous belief and no one is willing to help. Where are the UN forces to help these people?
I feel like people would be more outraged if the Christians were performing genocide on the Muslims than what is happening now.
I feel like people would be more outraged if the Christians were performing genocide on the Muslims than what is happening now.
Wouldn't be easy, there's a whole bunch of different factions throughout Sudan with different agendas.
Sudan's interlocking wars
International mediators are pressing warring factions in the western Sudanese Darfur region to implement the peace agreement signed by some of them in the Nigerian capital, Abuja, last week.
The commander of the African peace monitoring military mission in Darfur, Nigerian Gen Collins Ihekire, said after the signing that it would take a month to put structures in place to implement the accord.
These would include monitoring a ceasefire and building a new transitional regional government in Darfur.
Gen Ihekire also called, in an interview with Radio Nigeria, for an increase in the size of his force from 7,000 to 21,000 troops.
But there are massive hurdles to a lasting peace - both inside Darfur and in other parts of Sudan.
Flawed deal? Some analysts say that unless there is a comprehensive agreement involving all warring groups across the country, including in Darfur, the agreement signed in Nigeria can't work.
There are insurgencies against the Khartoum government in every corner of Sudan, not just in the western region of Darfur; there are armed rebels in the east and in the north, and an only recently signed peace agreement in the south.
In Nigeria, the government of Sudan and one faction of the rebel Sudan Liberation Army (SLA), led by Minni Minnawi, signed an agreement which British International Development Secretary Hilary Benn - one of the mediators in Abuja - described as "an historic agreement" which everyone should welcome.
But another faction of the SLA, led by Abd-al-Wahid Muhammed Nur, refused to sign. Mr Nur told a London-based newspaper website, Al-Sharq al-Awsat, that the agreement "did not fulfil even our minimum demands".
Another rebel group in Darfur, the Justice and Equality Movement, also refused to sign.
Mr Benn said the agreement met a central demand of the Darfur rebellion by creating a regional transitional government which could be consolidated by a referendum on regional governance in three years time.
The British secretary of state said the two factions which did not sign were making "a profound mistake". But Mr Nur said the agreement did not go far enough.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4759325.stm
Sudan's interlocking wars
International mediators are pressing warring factions in the western Sudanese Darfur region to implement the peace agreement signed by some of them in the Nigerian capital, Abuja, last week.
The commander of the African peace monitoring military mission in Darfur, Nigerian Gen Collins Ihekire, said after the signing that it would take a month to put structures in place to implement the accord.
These would include monitoring a ceasefire and building a new transitional regional government in Darfur.
Gen Ihekire also called, in an interview with Radio Nigeria, for an increase in the size of his force from 7,000 to 21,000 troops.
But there are massive hurdles to a lasting peace - both inside Darfur and in other parts of Sudan.
Flawed deal? Some analysts say that unless there is a comprehensive agreement involving all warring groups across the country, including in Darfur, the agreement signed in Nigeria can't work.
There are insurgencies against the Khartoum government in every corner of Sudan, not just in the western region of Darfur; there are armed rebels in the east and in the north, and an only recently signed peace agreement in the south.
In Nigeria, the government of Sudan and one faction of the rebel Sudan Liberation Army (SLA), led by Minni Minnawi, signed an agreement which British International Development Secretary Hilary Benn - one of the mediators in Abuja - described as "an historic agreement" which everyone should welcome.
But another faction of the SLA, led by Abd-al-Wahid Muhammed Nur, refused to sign. Mr Nur told a London-based newspaper website, Al-Sharq al-Awsat, that the agreement "did not fulfil even our minimum demands".
Another rebel group in Darfur, the Justice and Equality Movement, also refused to sign.
Mr Benn said the agreement met a central demand of the Darfur rebellion by creating a regional transitional government which could be consolidated by a referendum on regional governance in three years time.
The British secretary of state said the two factions which did not sign were making "a profound mistake". But Mr Nur said the agreement did not go far enough.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4759325.stm
Right Side would like to silence me like he would like to silence Doc because we are embarassing to their idol, George W Bush! The funny thing is, you guys act like you care about the troops. that is horse hockey! If you cared about them you sure as heck would not have helped this President get elected(for the first time)! And if you support this Prsident and his warmongering you are just as evil as he!TheRightSide said:
I agree with those who think we should stay home.....
There's around 200 countries on this planet, and at any given time there are numerous countries with problems like this......some dictator or rogue force oppressing another faction in the country.....
If you're getting into these affairs you now have a fulltime job with no vacations and no time off.....whack a mole with the whole globe for eternity......and return trips to the same nations you visited just a few years before.....
I don't like the thought of genocide anymore than anyone else on this forum does, but the fact remains that we can't afford to engage in these activities because we can't take care of our own nation and its own problems...
Just a couple of weeks ago I heard on Paul Harvey about a school in the south that was closed because their buses couldn't run because they were out of diesel fuel.......when problems like this turn up there is no way you can justify running our military force around the globe to take care of these non-stop police actions. No fucking way.
We have to take care of an 8 trillion dollar national debt, solve social security, health care, and a myriad of other problems that our country hasn't dealt with.......states having problems meeting a budget and needing a few hundred thousand or a million dollars, yet there are billions of dollars to go hopping around the globe.......this is absolutely irresponsible of our government to even consider doing yet they do it.....
If you were paying child support and found out your kids were going shoeless because your ex blew the money on the coke habit of her new love interest, you'd be pissed off and justifiably so.......yet some of you don't see the government's part in being the deadbeat dad it has become and encourage more of the same.......
There's around 200 countries on this planet, and at any given time there are numerous countries with problems like this......some dictator or rogue force oppressing another faction in the country.....
If you're getting into these affairs you now have a fulltime job with no vacations and no time off.....whack a mole with the whole globe for eternity......and return trips to the same nations you visited just a few years before.....
I don't like the thought of genocide anymore than anyone else on this forum does, but the fact remains that we can't afford to engage in these activities because we can't take care of our own nation and its own problems...
Just a couple of weeks ago I heard on Paul Harvey about a school in the south that was closed because their buses couldn't run because they were out of diesel fuel.......when problems like this turn up there is no way you can justify running our military force around the globe to take care of these non-stop police actions. No fucking way.
We have to take care of an 8 trillion dollar national debt, solve social security, health care, and a myriad of other problems that our country hasn't dealt with.......states having problems meeting a budget and needing a few hundred thousand or a million dollars, yet there are billions of dollars to go hopping around the globe.......this is absolutely irresponsible of our government to even consider doing yet they do it.....
If you were paying child support and found out your kids were going shoeless because your ex blew the money on the coke habit of her new love interest, you'd be pissed off and justifiably so.......yet some of you don't see the government's part in being the deadbeat dad it has become and encourage more of the same.......
The righties try to justify their warmongering by playing the terrorist card when all they are doing is getting our soldiers killed and creating many more terrorists in the bargain. Clinton tried in Africa and the righties tried to crucify him.No. The entire southern half of Africa should be allowed to collapse inwards on itself. All the US and G8 are doing is prolonging the inevitable, making it more painful and expensive than it already is.
Not really a "regime change" per se, but this, this, this, this and this pretty well sum up my feelings on the whole matter.
Phaedrus
Not really a "regime change" per se, but this, this, this, this and this pretty well sum up my feelings on the whole matter.
Phaedrus
