It's being loyal to Brees and Taysom. When they paid Taysom I'm sure they promised him a fair shot at being the next QB to replace Brees. This is his 3 or 4 game audition and his fair shot. He can win some games in the short term because he has so much talent around him, but at the end of the day it's like trying to win with Tebow and that's not a recipe for success.
JW is the better QB and the Saints might not have any $$ to even bring him back with their horrific cap situation. Now with the injury to Burrow and him possibly missing all of 2021 a team like the Bengals could probably offer Winston(or Trubisky) $10-$15 million to be the guy for one season.
This really isn't the same take as you previously had in the thread. Maybe this is what you meant to say, but it isn't the same thing.
I don't think anyone is denying the financial/time commitment the Saints have in Taysom is playing a role in his starting over Jameis (who likely is just on the team because his market was cold as ice and had no real suitors 5 months ago)
But to say they know Jameis is the best QB on the team and are intentionally playing Hill over him so that they don't have a QB controversy with Jameis and Brees is some galaxy brain stuff.
Lol
thats a big hell no
you don’t get the protection of JW having to be a member of the saints lol.
Part of your prediction is the fact that you think Payton thinks he has the next greatest thing ever and he wants to protect his HOF QB by avoiding a qb controversy lol.
You don’t get the protection that he has to be on the team for the bet to count . Lol
It’s simple .
You say JW will have more wins next season then TH period .
That’s the bet.
None of this protect yourself BS that both have to be on the team.
If you believe your nonsense that Payton is protecting Brees from a QB controversy you should have no problem with this stipulation .
if you do you are full of shit
yeah, CoolBreeze, you are being a Philadelphia lawyer on that one a bit.
If Payton thinks of Winston what you say he thinks of Winston then you should snap take the bet. If Winston isn't on the team next year, then Payton doesn't think of him what you think he thinks of him. Adding the out you proposed goes against spirit of the bet.
C'mon bro
If Payton thinks of Winston what you say he thinks of Winston then you should snap take the bet. If Winston isn't on the team next year, then Payton doesn't think of him what you think he thinks of him. Adding the out you proposed goes against spirit of the bet.
C'mon bro
As far as cap situation goes, if they think Jameis is their QB of the future then they likely aren't letting him walk. And Saints will be a way better situation for him to want to stay than where he could go (if he could even get a starting job elsewhere)
But it is probably just likely Payton doesn't think he is as good as you think he is
But it is probably just likely Payton doesn't think he is as good as you think he is
Cap will not be a problem
If the saints think he’s the next big thing obviously Brees won’t be back.
They will save a few bucks getting brees contract off the books .
And uh yea I think they can probably sign JW for less then brees makes as long as the rest of the league don’t find out about this plot that Payton trying to pulloff right now .
If the saints think he’s the next big thing obviously Brees won’t be back.
They will save a few bucks getting brees contract off the books .
And uh yea I think they can probably sign JW for less then brees makes as long as the rest of the league don’t find out about this plot that Payton trying to pulloff right now .
Omg lol
If your theory that Payton is hiding JW to avoid a QB controversy the fact of if he will or will not be on the team next season should be academic .
If the saints have no plans bringing him back next season who gives a flying fuck about a qb controversy .
Just say you don’t fucking believe a word you are saying in this thread and save us some time dude
Meh, that isn't what you said. Atleast it isn't the hot take part.
You said Payton thinks he is the best QB on the Saints. If he truly believes this then those 2 bets chop offered you are +EV to take.
Chop doesn't even like Hill, he just thinks you saying Payton is going with Hill over Jameis to avoid a QB controversy (despite a 1st rd bye on the line right now) in 4 weeks is some Stephen A./Skip Bayless shit, which it is.
Since Jameis will be so hard to retain and have so many suitors, can I get a bet on him not starting week 1 for any team in the NFL next season besides the Saints?
Cap stuff changes fast w/ restructuring, cuts, etc...If Payton is as high on him as you think he is, he's the Saints QB week 1 next year most likely.
We can't just do the first one? And it would exclude the Saints as you're the one saying he will have an FA market that will make it difficult for the Saints to retain him (your reason for not doing Chops bet)
I don't see what Hill has to do with it. No one in the thread ever said Hill > Jameis, they just said the idea you cooked up about why Jameis isn't starting is lol and sports isn't a soap opera. Why are you going Skip Bayless? What's with that?
This is completely against the premise of your original comment .
If your theory is true about Payton hiding him them it’s a slam dunk JW is the saints starting qb week 1 next season .
How high do you think JWs market is going to be when there will be a ton of free agent stop gap QBs on the market next season and as many as 6 qbs drafted in the 1st round of the draft ?
You think him not being the named starter over a gadget player is going to raise his market value from last season which was almost zero to be begin with ?
I think CoolBreeze just really wanted to say he's higher on Jameis than most, he thinks he is good and will have a good NFL career. Also, thinks Taysom Hill has no future at QB.
Just took the hot take route instead, it happens when you're inundated with that type of talk all day, everyday from media.
Says Payton thinks this too and isn't starting him because of team optics, he has less INT's his first 5 years than the iconic Peyton Manning, he is the best QB on the team, etc etc....Just way easier ways to make your point rather than making poor analogies and coming up with basically what amounts to a conspiracy theory.
Just took the hot take route instead, it happens when you're inundated with that type of talk all day, everyday from media.
Says Payton thinks this too and isn't starting him because of team optics, he has less INT's his first 5 years than the iconic Peyton Manning, he is the best QB on the team, etc etc....Just way easier ways to make your point rather than making poor analogies and coming up with basically what amounts to a conspiracy theory.
What are you talking about? The entire thread is Chop saying Payton is playing the better QB Hill over Winston. I'm willing to bet both of you that Jameis is the week 1 starter for the Saints next season and he wins more games than Taysom Hill on the Saints next season.(given that both of them are on the roster). Not taking that bet tells me all I need to know about what you really think of Tim Tebow 2.0
Ummm no
I said the saints best qb has 11 fractured ribs and Payton is not hiding his best qb remaining and benching him to avoid a qb controversy .
No, that isn't the debate in the thread. What Chop is saying is Payton is playing the QB that Payton thinks gives the Saints the best chance to win for the next few weeks. You can agree w/ that, disagree w/ it, whatever but he isn't intentionally playing who he thinks is worse to avoid a QB controvery in a month. That is asinine.
I think you are hung up on your own personal evaluation of Jameis vs Tebow 2.0, but you just phrased it in a way that gave people other ideas.
You're moving the goalposts now. You think people in the thread are saying they think Taysom Hill is the Saints QB of the future and no one is saying that.
