Should a bet stand after the game started and was in the bottom of the 1st inning?

[wilheim]

This is a case where the book left the game up a little longer on purpose. This happens a lot especially in baseball and basketball, and especially in big games like today, Game one of the playoffs. I know if I entered a bet and got verification by my web-site that the wager was accepted, I would assume I had a bet no matter what time it was. CG said he assumed he has no bet, well that was his mistake, if he felt he should have the bet cancelled because it was excepted late, then why not call or EM customer service and verify it. He waited until the game was over and comes in here with the same old story about rules, saying once a game is started, blah blah blah. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with this post, the guy lost and does'nt want to pay, What a suprize. I am done with this issue. Cuban Gambler good luck trying to get your money back from a bet you lost.


wil.

 

[BlueveinThrobber]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
This is a case where the book left the game up a little longer on purpose. This happens a lot especially in baseball and basketball, and especially in big games like today, Game one of the playoffs. I know if I entered a bet and got verification by my web-site that the wager was accepted, I would assume I had a bet no matter what time it was. CG said he assumed he has no bet, well that was his mistake, if he felt he should have the bet cancelled because it was excepted late, then why not call or EM customer service and verify it. He waited until the game was over and comes in here with the same old story about rules, saying once a game is started, blah blah blah. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with this post, the guy lost and does'nt want to pay, What a suprize. I am done with this issue. Cuban Gambler good luck trying to get your money back from a bet you lost.


wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your exactly right Wilheim. If he truly thought that he did the wrong thing then why didn't he immediately call the book in question to ensure that he had no action. What a crock of shit!! You are a worthless piece of shit and you lost!!!

Now why don't you get back outside and finish mowing the lawn at Beantown Jim's trailer park.

 

[MYFOOTBALLGAME]

The book was being nice taking the bet. I don't think they would of cancelled had you won. I have done this several times. WIT was the best I ever had at allowing bets after the game started. All World and Cascade have done it as well. It's common courtesy. If there is no score they will do this at times. I have never had a bet I placed late and won not be paid.
The main thing to remember which you will also see on their webite is "all read backs are final."

 

[ChuckSims]

I know in Las Vegas when they had real bookmakers they would continue accepting bets after NFL games had started. If you had come back after the game and said you wanted the bet voided because the bet was made after the game started, they would of laughed you out of the casino.

 

[-Slim-]

Cuban, good luck the next time you want to place a bet on a baseball game that just started and the book says "courtesy? no no, **** you".

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Pipe

This is a case where the book left the game up a little longer on purpose. This happens a lot especially in baseball and basketball, and especially in big games like today, Game one of the playoffs. I know if I entered a bet and got verification by my web-site that the wager was accepted, I would assume I had a bet no matter what time it was. CG said he assumed he has no bet, well that was his mistake, if he felt he should have the bet cancelled because it was excepted late, then why not call or EM customer service and verify it. He waited until the game was over and comes in here with the same old story about rules, saying once a game is started, blah blah blah. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with this post, the guy lost and does'nt want to pay, What a suprize. I am done with this issue. Cuban Gambler good luck trying to get your money back from a bet you lost.


wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wilheim you can post what you want just like I can. Im not coming in here to look for you to waste your time. This is simple for you to do. Dont read this thread. Then dont post in it. That simple. How many times has it happened where the book voids the bet after the game. This is the same. WTF are you talking about. The bet is paid. Do I feel I have a legit gripe *yes*. Should the bet be canceled according to rules *yes*. Is there anything wrong with me posting this here to get opinions on *no*. Are you wasting your time with this *are you?* Has this book voided bets before that were placed after the game started *yes*. Whats so hard for you to understand * I dont know* They got the money. Rules are put in place just for this kind of thing. This is the first time this has happened to me. Im not trying to hide any facts. Bluevein Throbber nice comment (worthless piece of shit). Before I forget

Do you know me? Didnt think so.
You act like I ****ed your mother. This is the type of shit that needs to stay out of here. No reason for you to offend me. Attack my posts I have no problem with. For you to call me a piece of shit my brother must have ****ed you hard.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The inconsistency is glaring:

While I agree that CG is probably only complaining because he lost the wager, and thus, he's unlikely to elicit any sympathy, a rule is a rule. If the book has a policy of deleting past-post wagers consistently, then that policy shouldn't be abrogated when a line mistakenly left up too long ends up benefiting the book, rather than screwing them over.

To me, this is eerily similar to the incident I had several weeks ago...in which the majority ruled against me. I (mistakenly!) took a line with a +1255 line, that should have had a line of +125. The game won and the book paid up. Four days later, when I requested a payout, they wanted to cancel the bet. I thought that was very shady...

So now decide, y'all. If you think CG is not entitled to getting his money back, then in essence, what you're saying is once a book accepts a wager, they have to honor the wager. If that's the case, then they should have let me keep the +1255..and they should also let all winning past-post bets stand too.

Unlikely that'll ever happen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good points dog thanks for your post.



Pipe my post here is not to slaunder the book in question in any way so im not gonna name them. Im sorry. The manager I spoke to on my last call was a real classy fellow. Forget about the guy before him. Blue trobvein I didnt do anything wrong. The only thing that might be considered wrong that I did was in thinking the book would cancel the bet. Man what a tough crowd.

 

[BlueveinThrobber]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cuban Gambler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Pipe

This is a case where the book left the game up a little longer on purpose. This happens a lot especially in baseball and basketball, and especially in big games like today, Game one of the playoffs. I know if I entered a bet and got verification by my web-site that the wager was accepted, I would assume I had a bet no matter what time it was. CG said he assumed he has no bet, well that was his mistake, if he felt he should have the bet cancelled because it was excepted late, then why not call or EM customer service and verify it. He waited until the game was over and comes in here with the same old story about rules, saying once a game is started, blah blah blah. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with this post, the guy lost and does'nt want to pay, What a suprize. I am done with this issue. Cuban Gambler good luck trying to get your money back from a bet you lost.


wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wilheim you can post what you want just like I can. Im not coming in here to look for you to waste your time. This is simple for you to do. Dont read this thread. Then dont post in it. That simple. How many times has it happened where the book voids the bet after the game. This is the same. WTF are you talking about. The bet is paid. Do I feel I have a legit gripe *yes*. Should the bet be canceled according to rules *yes*. Is there anything wrong with me posting this here to get opinions on *no*. Are you wasting your time with this *are you?* Has this book voided bets before that were placed after the game started *yes*. Whats so hard for you to understand * I dont know* They got the money. Rules are put in place just for this kind of thing. This is the first time this has happened to me. Im not trying to hide any facts. Bluevein Throbber nice comment (worthless piece of shit). Before I forget

Do you know me? Didnt think so.
You act like I ****ed your mother. This is the type of shit that needs to stay out of here. No reason for you to offend me. Attack my posts I have no problem with. For you to call me a piece of shit my brother must have ****ed you hard.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right about me being out of line and calling you a name. I apologize for that. Its just that it pisses me off when it looks as though someone is taking a shot at a book. Now if what you are saying is that this book has a track record of voiding winning bets placed after events started then that is a different story. What is good for the goose has to be good for the gander. I will try to keep the personal attacks out of the thread.

Good luck!!

 

[wilheim]

"Should a bet stand after the game started and was in the bottom of the 1st inning? This happened to me today with a book that advertises here...: Don't ask questions if you are not able to accept the responses you get. If you are so sensative then keep your problems to yoursself. You asked the Forum, now you don't like the responses made, BTW without any malice towards you, sorry, but that is not how it works. Have a nice life.


wil.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Cuban Gambler

"Should a bet stand after the game started and was in the bottom of the 1st inning? This happened to me today with a book that advertises here...: Don't ask questions if you are not able to accept the responses you get. If you are so sensative then keep your problems to yoursself. You asked the Forum, now you don't like the responses made, BTW without any malice towards you, sorry, but that is not how it works. Have a nice life.


wil. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When the posts are answered by different people wil I have no problem with it. When the obvious occurs that its the same person posting under a ghost that I do have a problem with. Im not sensitive at all wil. Just dont think that was called for. Wil why should I keep it to myself. Yes I asked the forum a question.. Yes I got answers.. Yes I learned not to assume bets are off. Yes im having a nice life. Blue I took no shot at this book. Apology accepted my man.

 

[lander]

Cuban,

You had the edge ... what more do you want?

 

Lander I dont get your post..

 

[Tex]

Cuban,
By the looks of your post I would say you were doing something underhanded...

 

[-Slim-]

Yeah, we are a tough crowd, but weve been made tough, not born tough. I think you yourself, Cuban, realized that it was the bet you wanted and it simply lost, and hopefully accept it as such, however, we have had so many people come and cry foul over something which we have no sympathy for. I understand the rules are there but we do as much as we can to accomodate the customers needs. Like I said, I left that Florida game up for a bit and just kept an eye out for anything or anyone trying something funny. We do that because we want you, the customer to like that extra step but we dont appreciate when something like this comes up. Its just done as courtesy, not a way to screw anyone out of money.

Im sure at some point we have all said to a clerk, come on man, please let me take the bet, I know the game kicked off but they only ran it back to the 20 or something like that...

We ve just grown an extra row of teeth, sharper ones, around here, for situations like these.

As you can see though, the opinion is shared almost all around.

Good luck with the rest of your wagers

 

[lander]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cuban Gambler:
Lander I dont get your post..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Halifax they didnt cancel it when they should have is the problem"

You knew the game STATUS, SITUATION, etc ... thus you HAD the edge (whether you used it or now, who knows???).

The problem is that if you had your bet canceled & would have won .. then you (not you, per se, I don't know you) could have cried foul the other way.

Simple solution - DO NOT past post.

 

[Gagne38]

The bottom line is the book honored your bet, that is why you made the bet. Because you had no idea the game had started does not matter. We do not know what the book would have done had there been runs scored, so suck it up and be a man.

 

[DannyMay]

Cuban Gambler,

It has become very obvious that there are many books who are doing this BS intentionally. As the gambler, we must take very special care when we place bets. We will get F*cked either way. They left the play up intentionally, knowing they would get a free shot at your ass. If your play had won, they would have cancelled the play saying it was past posted. If the play loses, they let it stand. Either way if you post in this forum, 99 % of posters will side with the book.

You know D*amn well that if you won this bet they would have cancelled it. If you came in here saying they should honor the bet, the posters would side with the book and call you a theif. There are several books who are making way too many "mistakes" for it to be anything other than intention.

Example - I played a prop at a well known book.

The prop said " Will Austin score a run" Yes or No. I said NO and Austin Kearns ( REDS) did not score a run. The play was graded NO ACTION 12 hours after it was placed, about 5 minutes after it WON. The play was left pending all day long and only graded as No Action after it won. The manager told me it was a bad line only listing the player as AUSTIN. It wasnt much money so I said no prob.

About 1 week later I played some props on a baseball game at that same book. After I placed my first prop on a game I noticed they had the listed pitchers from another game as the listed pitchers from this game.

It was something like " Will there be a run scored in the first inning of the Boston vs. Oakland game". MADDUX AND WOOD MUST START. I noticed the incorrect pitchers, but didnt have 30 minutes to wait on hold therfore I didnt call. I just assumed the play would be cancelled because the pitchers were wrong. Later that night, I checked my account. Well guess what, the play lost and it was graded as a LOSS. The pitchers names had been corrected so that anyone who didnt notice it would not question the loss. I called the manager and told him I knew the pitchers had been changed and he said yes he changed the pitchers names and then graded the play as a loss but it was OK because he changed the pitchers names before the game started. That I doubt. Either way it is obvious the play would have been No Actioned if it had won.

Since these two issues occured, I have noticed daily " Bad LInes" at this book. Anyone who thinks books dont do this shit on purpose is nieve.

 

Tex I did nothing underhanded. Now I know who you are slim

Slim yes I wanted the bet but had I known it was in the bottom of the 1st. I would not have made it thinking I had no bet per your rules. Understand? we have had so many people come and cry foul over something which we have no sympathy for I didnt do this slim. Im not looking for no sympathywe dont appreciate when something like this comes up Neither do I slim. Neither do I. I just learned something today that has never happened to me before thats all. I never said you screwed me.. I never said you ripped me off.. I never even as much bad mouthed your book.. Hell I didnt even mention the name for that matter. All I did was ask a question here. I even said to you over the phone that it wasnt fair to you or me on this bet did I not? Works both ways slim. Now I know how this works. Wont happen again thats for sure. Lander I didnt know the game status till I walked to my tv. At that moment I said shit my bet is a no go. So I thought. I didnt past post on purpose man. Slim can tell you with all the plays that I have made over the past month that I just dont do that. If they had voided the bet if it had won I would have known slim to be in the right because the game had started already. Hell the time is on the ticket there is no way out of it. Then I would have had to bite my tounge because he would be right. Still this is something that ill take as a lesson learned.

 

[DannyMay]

The first post in this thread was made at 724, which was very shortly after the game started. Unless the play was on will either team score in the first inning ? how could he know whether he was going to lose or not ? The game remained 0-0 until the 3rd inning, and was 1-0 until the sixth.

If it was a play on whether anyone would score in the first he should wouldnt have said yes knowing the game was 0-0 bottom first.

 

Dannymay you make many good points. I didnt think about it that way. Stupid me. Im telling you this is all new to me. Im learning though. If my Florida bet had won now that slim posted it as he and I are the only ones that knew who I bet on he could have easily said you past posted Cuban you got no play. So in hence there was no way for me to really win this bet to begin with. This is really starting to smell

. He should refund me this money. Its the only thing that will make this right. This is a classic no bet period. Danny it was on the whole game but it still doesnt change anything. It was still after it already started. Which means he could have took a free shot. If it loses he wins if it wins he voids and wins.