Sharon Vows More Attacks on Militants Despite Talks

[D2bets]

Wait a second here. Let's think about this for a second. Why is hicacking a plane and flying into a building a terrorist act, but blowing up yourself along with a bus/restaurant, etc not a terrorist act? You say they are at war. Well, the hijackers of Al Qaeda had basically delcared war on us -- jihad or whatever it's called. Hamas is no more at war with the Israelis than Al Qaeda is with us. So are you saying that if Al Qaeda "declared war" on us then if they blew up a building here that would not be terrorism? Or is because hijacking a plane is somehow more grand than blowing up a restaurat? I don't see the distinction.

I simply cannot believe that you think suicide bombings (or really HOMICIDE bombings) is not terrorism. Liek I said, Al Qaeda is at war with us and they don't have the conventional means of fighting us either....that does not make a plane hijacking a mere act of war. It is terrorism.

 

[KMAN]

D2Bets - Save your energy. I'm still waiting for them to explain to me the whole Palestinian/Israeli conflict but it appears they don't know how this whole thing got started either.

They are just here to get you riled up.

God Bless America!

Bush Rules! Just think, only 6 more years with Bush in power!!!!

KMAN

 

[D2bets]

Well, I'm feeling a little lost here because I'm a liberal along with Lander and I hope his opinion is not the "party line" if you will. I just can't believe what I'm hearing from such a sensible person. Equating Israel's killing of targeted known murderers with suicide bombings of hundreds of innocent civilians is just beyond my understanding. I just can't understamd how anyone in there right mind could come to such a conclusion.

And I'm not even saying Israel is "right" in what they;re doing. Quite possibly not doing so is a wiser course of action. But nonetheless morally or legally or ethically speaking the two courses of action or not equa; evil. No way.

 

[lander]

"I simply cannot believe that you think suicide bombings (or really HOMICIDE bombings) is not terrorism."
Nope, you're twisting my words ... either they're BOTH terrorists or they're BOTH soldiers.
I suppose it's all relative, but that's really the way with <non-definitive> types of words and the twisting & manipulation there of, no?

And D2,
I've REPEATEDLY stated that I'm not a liberal.
I am very consertative in many aspects, however I was & remain STRONGLY anti-war ... don't confuse the two.

 

[lander]

I'm not pretending to be an expert on the matter, but if Palestine has tanks & missles and <merely> shot them into Israli houses would they then be soldiers and not terrorists?

Are wealthy <dignified> because they have the means to mass-murder, where as poor nations have to resort to suicide bombings?

 

[D2bets]

OK, then I just want to see if you're consistent here. Are you also then saying that the US and Al Qaeda are both terrorists or both soldiers (and if so, which are we?)? Al Qaeda and Hamas both target innocent civilians, the US and Israel both target and attempt to kill known murderers/criminals that carry out those civilians attacks. There are plitical and practical differences, yes, but morally/ethically speaking it is a similar attack/retaliation.

I'm just saying there's a difference between trying to kill civilians and trying to kill known murderers. Please explain how I am wrong here.

 

[D2bets]

It's not dignifed to mass murder and from what I've seen that is not what Israel is doing. They are clearly going after specific terrorist leaders. Now, in so doing, there are going to be civilian casualties just as there were in Afganistan when we were hunting down Al Qaeda/Taleban. And whether Israel is doing a sufficient job of limiting civilians casulaties is open to debate, BUT once again I am talking about the policy itself of killing Hamas leaders.

Maybe I need to frame the question more carefully: Do you believe that the policy of killing admitted Hamas leadership (who have admitted to the bombings) is equally as evil as the suicide bombings within Israel? Please just address that issue square.

 

[lander]

"OK, then I just want to see if you're consistent here. Are you also then saying that the US and Al Qaeda are both terrorists or both soldiers (and if so, which are we?)?"
Terrorism is such a non-definative term. Purely, I suppose, it should be applied to those who TARGET civilians, however if a <bunker-buster> is dropped, a missile fired that will surely kill <civilians> I does NOT make it any less wrong.
The concept of urban warfare is a sick concept.
I will say, however, that our attacks on Iraq were <terrorist> in indeed the Al Queda <attacks> on the US were <terrorist>. Both murdered thousands of <innocent> civilians with out being struck first by the "relevant" enemy.

Al Qaeda and Hamas both target innocent civilians, the US and Israel both target and attempt to kill known murderers/criminals that carry out those civilians attacks. There are plitical and practical differences, yes, but morally/ethically speaking it is a similar attack/retaliation.

I'm just saying there's a difference between trying to kill civilians and trying to kill known murderers. Please explain how I am wrong here
You're missing the point that Palestine doesn't have the weapons that Isreal does.

Answer this, say the US was a 3rd World Country and we we're being seized/bombed/killed by Canada ... would you or would you not resort to ABSOLUTELY anything to protect your people, land & values?? Even if you had to "sneak attack" and bomb their civilians?
I believe most would.

 

[lander]

Maybe I need to frame the question more carefully: Do you believe that the policy of killing admitted Hamas leadership (who have admitted to the bombings) is equally as evil as the suicide bombings within Israel? Please just address that issue square.

The specific policy? No.
The flawwed manner in which it is being carried out in? Yes.

 

[D2bets]

OK OK good, we've made some progess here.

As to Palestinians not heaving the weapons Israel has, well Al Qaeda doesn't have the weapons that the US has either. Al Qaeda is at war with us.

As to your question, the Palestinian civilians are not being seized/bombed/killed by Israel. Hamas militants are, but not the population as a whole.

 

[lander]

D2,
Perhaps you're right.
I'm by no means an expert on this issue.

I have to run for the evening.

Peace & GL on your wagers.

 

[johnnie2times]

The Palies need to blow themselves up to see my boy Ala do the baba.Imagine if they had guns to shoot.Would they know how to shoot?

I love the site of blood and war and god willing this will go on for years to come.At this rate, the palies will all be gone because they are losing the war right now.Go check the count of dead out for the Palies vs. the Israelies.No contest----------more pali blood laying in the streets than Israelie blood.

March on in June and get some more blood dripping and concentrate on killing the kids not the adults!

 

[KMAN]

Lander - So the guy who murders another person in my home town is a soldier also?????????????????

Also, where in the hell did you come up with the US murdered 1000's of innocent Iraq's???????????????

Was Saddam Hussein a soldier or terrorist?

What about Osama Bin Laden?


J2T - Good point, eventually they will run out of people willing to blow themselves up.

KMAN

 

[lander]

Kman,
The pleniful fruits of our country have spoiled you into complete <ignorance> ...

.. you're like the trader on Wall Street that walks by the homeless but only looks straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge the hardships & misfortunes of his fellow American lying on the pavement next to him ...

.. I see your type every single day & you people NEVER fail to disgust me.

 

[DENIRO]

kman
youre blinded by this propaganda

i too want the fuvkers to die who killed our men, women and children on 9-11

but hussian and iraq had nothing to do with it

i repeat iraq had nothing to do with it

they cant find obl and losing the fight against alqaeda.

there are alqaeda members in saudi arabia. why not go after the real killers???

i bet you think the terrorist that flew the planes on 911 were iraques

why wasnt the usa invading iraq and overthrowing hussain when he used chemical weapons on the kurds in the 80s

oops we were on his side because he was fighting iran

open your eyes

 

[Banned4Life]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> can you tell me in your own words why there is fighting between Israel and the Palestinians? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because they both have to live in the same house but can't stand each other because the Israelis do nothing but whine and the Palestinians smell like camel shit.

 

[KMAN]

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS A WAR ON TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone dispute that Saddam is a terrorist??? Look at the mass graves!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to all of the torture stories of INNOCENT people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOU GUYS ARE UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


KMAN

 

[radiofreecostarica]

saddam isn't a terrorist per se.

he's what's known as a dictator. DICTATOR. Saddam did not bomb NYC or D.C.

You want mass graves? We didn't call Milosevic a terrorist. He was a (again) DICTATOR!

YOU GUYS ARE UNBELIEVABLE!

..as is your twisting of the English language to fit your viewpoint.


One more question: Do you think that the US has NEVER financed terrorist actions?

 

[primetime21+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
_"I simply cannot believe that you think suicide bombings (or really HOMICIDE bombings) is not terrorism."_
Nope, you're twisting my words ... either they're BOTH terrorists or they're BOTH soldiers.
I suppose it's all relative, but that's really the way with <non-definitive> types of words and the twisting & manipulation there of, no?

And D2,
I've REPEATEDLY stated that I'm not a liberal.
I am very consertative in many aspects, however I was & remain STRONGLY anti-war ... don't confuse the two.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

palestinians target civilians while israel targets leaders. There is a huge difference, and only the blindfold of racism prevents you from seeing the truth.