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IMO that doesn't matter. If the plays are good enough to charge money for, he should count them in his record. But of course he only wants to highlight his winning plays. This is the issue I've always had with the guy. People on here him love him because he is on a run with his college plays, but the guy has ZERO integrity. And the funny thing is, if he ever goes on a losing streak all of his supporters on here will turn their backs on him in a heartbeat.

If you followed hs betting strategy $25 a unit you are up tens of thousands this year. That the difference in a 200 unit gane and a bunch of 4 and 5 unit games. they are not all they same and should be bet as such. Kelso is on one of the greatest runs ever this year
 

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IMO that doesn't matter. If the plays are good enough to charge money for, he should count them in his record. But of course he only wants to highlight his winning plays. This is the issue I've always had with the guy. People on here him love him because he is on a run with his college plays, but the guy has ZERO integrity. And the funny thing is, if he ever goes on a losing streak all of his supporters on here will turn their backs on him in a heartbeat.

I don't think any of us have any loyalty to any capper per say. I mean, we're just looking to ride who's hot at the moment and go from there. I dunno about you guys, but I don't like to put my money in the hands of people who I have never met, much less the fact that I don't even know if they are serious handicappers or not. For me, if I really like a game and if it's backed up by a Kelso, Budin, etc.. then I'd go with it. But I don't pick games based on these cappers say (esp without any write up) b/c like you said, most of them have no integrity; and worse, they might be tossing a coin in the back to come up with the pick. what's the point...
 

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Stupid crap ass Jets. Killed a 7 team parlay and I only needed them to win!
 

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If you followed hs betting strategy $25 a unit you are up tens of thousands this year. That the difference in a 200 unit gane and a bunch of 4 and 5 unit games. they are not all they same and should be bet as such. Kelso is on one of the greatest runs ever this year

That's fine. But why don't the smaller plays get mentioned in his record? And why when he loses one of his big games is there no mention of it on his Web site? He'll gladly tell you he's the greatest thing since sliced bread when he wins a big game, but he tucks his tail between his legs and hides when he loses a big one.

I've never said the guy isn't on a nice run. All I've said is that he's morally bankrupt. I realize most people on here could care less about that, but it's a big deal to me. I would never follow someone I don't trust. In the long run, it will bite you in the ass.

And please don't tell me you think many people are actually putting 200 units on his 200 unit plays. For most people a unit is $100, so I find it hard to believe a lot of people are dropping $20k on his picks.
 

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I don't think any of us have any loyalty to any capper per say. I mean, we're just looking to ride who's hot at the moment and go from there. I dunno about you guys, but I don't like to put my money in the hands of people who I have never met, much less the fact that I don't even know if they are serious handicappers or not. For me, if I really like a game and if it's backed up by a Kelso, Budin, etc.. then I'd go with it. But I don't pick games based on these cappers say (esp without any write up) b/c like you said, most of them have no integrity; and worse, they might be tossing a coin in the back to come up with the pick. what's the point...

Precisely. Most of these guys are more concerned with their sales pitch than they are winning games. A tout who sucks at capping games will still make a ton of money if he is a good salesman. And that's all most touts are.
 

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That's fine. But why don't the smaller plays get mentioned in his record? And why when he loses one of his big games is there no mention of it on his Web site? He'll gladly tell you he's the greatest thing since sliced bread when he wins a big game, but he tucks his tail between his legs and hides when he loses a big one.

I've never said the guy isn't on a nice run. All I've said is that he's morally bankrupt. I realize most people on here could care less about that, but it's a big deal to me. I would never follow someone I don't trust. In the long run, it will bite you in the ass.

Although I agree that it's bad, you can't blame him. No business is going to freely talk about their flaws. He's advertising himself and his handicapping. You can't expect him to tell you how crappy he was. He'd be out of business quick. No business would survive very long if they promoted their weaknessed along with their strengths. In the long run, it's up to you whether you follow or not.
 

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well my nice little run finally came to an end.

today so far:
3-4-1 it seems

ravens win
colts push
dolphins loss
chiefs win
pats loss
georgetown win
fresno st loss

central florida soon to be loss
 

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Stupid crap ass Jets. Killed a 7 team parlay and I only needed them to win!
I had Denver last week in same situation and they bit me too..I almost took the $$$line..Soory but Parlays suck I`m sticking to HT Bets...Period...4-0 Today GO BEARS!!!!
 

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I had Denver last week in same situation and they bit me too..I almost took the $$$line..Soory but Parlays suck I`m sticking to HT Bets...Period...4-0 Today GO BEARS!!!!

Yeah, I've been doing that. I won so much over the last couple days that I threw a little bit on a parlay. The first 6 teams hit, but the damn Jets didn't even win. What a beating. 200 to 1 down the drain.
 

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Although I agree that it's bad, you can't blame him. No business is going to freely talk about their flaws. He's advertising himself and his handicapping. You can't expect him to tell you how crappy he was. He'd be out of business quick. No business would survive very long if they promoted their weaknessed along with their strengths. In the long run, it's up to you whether you follow or not.

I know plenty of services that acknowledge their losses. Maybe some people would look at it as weakness, but I have a lot more respect for someone who can be man enough to admit they actually do lose games. Does anyone really think that he NEVER loses if he doesn't mention the losing bets?

And I'm not saying I expect 3 paragraphs or anything. All I'm saying is if you spend ALL WEEK hyping up the play, don't suddenly act like it never existed if it turns out to be a loser. We're not idiots. Also, if you're going to thump your chest and brag about your winners, you're kind of a scumbag if you then turn around and don't even mention the losers. Accountability for his actions really shouldn't be that hard.
 

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That's fine. But why don't the smaller plays get mentioned in his record? And why when he loses one of his big games is there no mention of it on his Web site? He'll gladly tell you he's the greatest thing since sliced bread when he wins a big game, but he tucks his tail between his legs and hides when he loses a big one.

I've never said the guy isn't on a nice run. All I've said is that he's morally bankrupt. I realize most people on here could care less about that, but it's a big deal to me. I would never follow someone I don't trust. In the long run, it will bite you in the ass.

And please don't tell me you think many people are actually putting 200 units on his 200 unit plays. For most people a unit is $100, so I find it hard to believe a lot of people are dropping $20k on his picks.

his money management is $25 per unit a 4 unit game is $100 a 100 unit game is $2500 not unreasonable. Lets move on the guy has won this year thats all that counts
 
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his money management is $25 per unit a 4 unit game is $100 a 100 unit game is $2500 not unreasonable. Lets move on the guy has won this year thats all that counts

You're right. $2500 is reasonable. Didn't mean to go off on a tangent.

GL to you...
 

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I know plenty of services that acknowledge their losses. Maybe some people would look at it as weakness, but I have a lot more respect for someone who can be man enough to admit they actually do lose games. Does anyone really think that he NEVER loses if he doesn't mention the losing bets?

And I'm not saying I expect 3 paragraphs or anything. All I'm saying is if you spend ALL WEEK hyping up the play, don't suddenly act like it never existed if it turns out to be a loser. We're not idiots. Also, if you're going to thump your chest and brag about your winners, you're kind of a scumbag if you then turn around and don't even mention the losers. Accountability for his actions really shouldn't be that hard.

I wasn't jumping on your back. I agree that he should acknowledge his losses and I also agree that it gives them a lot more integrity. It also tells you that the individual realizes that s/he's not perfect and shows they are trying to figure out where they went wrong. Yes, it's shitty that he doesn't lay claim to his losses, but business is business.
 

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I wasn't jumping on your back. I agree that he should acknowledge his losses and I also agree that it gives them a lot more integrity. It also tells you that the individual realizes that s/he's not perfect and shows they are trying to figure out where they went wrong. Yes, it's shitty that he doesn't lay claim to his losses, but business is business.

No worries abc. Didn't mean for it to sound like I was jumping on your back either.

GL with your plays.
 

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To SDF,sorry left for a birthday party with wife,have no problem buying plays,tell me youngstown site/underdog/ness/tell me who 2 buy so we dont all waste cash...iam a team player you gus are all amazingly generous..just tell me how to get youngstown

Hey KA,

Youngstown's Web site is
 
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What are the best plays on the Total tonight? Anyone have any hot totals cappers? I saw VR had a 4 unit.
 

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