great job big joe,thanks for getting the plays for us for free esp.the hard to get ones like b-mac and c-luck.please dont ever go hollywood on us and start to charge us because this forum is like us against the world type thing. i know smokey is c-luck and i am thankfull for all his winners he has brought to this place, but i asked him as the 'loveable' smokey,one of us,not c-luck one of them. to some of his thoughts on baskets. not looking for any trade secrets, but to help we- us in letting us make our own decsions but he kind of blew us off.thats what this place is,a group of people, sharing their thoughts so we can make our own smart picks. sorry to rant and rave about this and im not picking on c-luck. he could tell us all to go to hell but will he.this past sunday he posted on another site,most people know witch one,as smokeywins and asked any body got chuck luck he's hot as hell.untill some one called him out and he denied it was him. but we know it was.the more he gets his name out there, the better for him. he is also a great marketer and a great handicapper.i wish i found him 10 yrs ago. the point im trying to make is this..we all like to have sex...but not in a church. point is this is our house ..do not play games with us.smokey please post ur games with us any time. big joe and others please post chuck lucks plays as part of ur service plays.thanks
hey unochamps, i can understand what you are saying but i want you to consider something for a minute.
have you ever seen chuck on saturday morning television touting his games with 900 numbers or telling people this game is a "lock", and to bet everything on it, he knows this type of marketing eventually hurts more people than it could possibly help, and he has never hurt anyone here.
also you might find this hard to believe, but some of the best handicappers in the world dont even bet there own games(IMO). now i dont know this to be the case with smokey, but when the gambling aspect is added it can effect your handicapping because your mind is focused on the financial aspect and not the business at hand of picking winners. so i ask you, shouldnt chuck be able to market his service in a way that he sees fit to provide for his family. chuck is no different than any of us, in that we all have mortgages, car payments, doctor bills and the rest of the stuff that make up our monthly disbursements.
in addition, when someone has a skill that sets him apart from everyone else shouldnt he be compensated for that. chuck coming into this forum and providing us with his skill for free can be related to a stockbroker on wall street providing top level advice and not charging us for it.
so call up merill lynch and talk to their best stock picker and tell him you want his best stock tips for free; i dont think you would get the answer you hoped for.
my personal view is that chuck luck's service plays shouldnt be posted here out of respect for him, and what he has done for us over the course of the year.
Good luck everyone
have you ever seen chuck on saturday morning television touting his games with 900 numbers or telling people this game is a "lock", and to bet everything on it, he knows this type of marketing eventually hurts more people than it could possibly help, and he has never hurt anyone here.
also you might find this hard to believe, but some of the best handicappers in the world dont even bet there own games(IMO). now i dont know this to be the case with smokey, but when the gambling aspect is added it can effect your handicapping because your mind is focused on the financial aspect and not the business at hand of picking winners. so i ask you, shouldnt chuck be able to market his service in a way that he sees fit to provide for his family. chuck is no different than any of us, in that we all have mortgages, car payments, doctor bills and the rest of the stuff that make up our monthly disbursements.
in addition, when someone has a skill that sets him apart from everyone else shouldnt he be compensated for that. chuck coming into this forum and providing us with his skill for free can be related to a stockbroker on wall street providing top level advice and not charging us for it.
so call up merill lynch and talk to their best stock picker and tell him you want his best stock tips for free; i dont think you would get the answer you hoped for.
my personal view is that chuck luck's service plays shouldnt be posted here out of respect for him, and what he has done for us over the course of the year.
Good luck everyone
caesar,respect ur opinion.please, i am in no way bashing chuck luck,nor do i want this to turn into a pissing match. i think cl is a handicapping god . in my opinion i think he wants us to believe he just a country cracker, but we all know he's way smarter than that. i would just like him to know that we r also very smart. the crap that happened sun.is uncalled for.so what if he posted on another site.just dont play us as dummies.i feel as if we r being used sometimes.
p.s. chuck u owe me for keeping ur name out there......lol$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
p.s. chuck u owe me for keeping ur name out there......lol$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
i dont think posting his plays is taking money out of his pockets.he gives us them for free anyway....even though its right at gametime and it almost impossible to get them in. so if someone could get them early then why not post them.i dont have time to sit around waiting at the computer all day.sometimes i think he's toying with us.question,why didnt dawg post his plays? hey guys if im wrong tell me and i'll let it go.
firstly, im not looking for a pissing contest either. we are just having a chat amongst sportbettors.
let me say i believe he posts them right before gametime to stop the kind of thing your encouraging. what would happen if he gave us his superbowl pick right now. that info would fly thru every forum on the net and WOULD take money out of his pocket.
look i dont understand his business model either but im no businessman and he has been doing this for quite sometime. For instance i would much rather have 100 clients at 200 a month, then 25 at 400 per month, but that is just the way i think. Its like the store with zero bad debts from customers who dont know that they are losing money because of it.
and i agree with you, if he stops posting his plays here then he is fair game. i really dont know all the details that you speak of about this past weekend, but if i was chuck i would have a person in every forum trying to drum up business. compared to some of the clowns selling their picks on another forum i frequent, they would welcome chuck with open arms.
also i get dawg's plays for pittance of what other people are paying, but i wont post them because i have respect for what dawg did for us in the two months before he went tout. but as time goes on, i wont have a problem posting dawg's plays, because lets be honest this was part of his master plan all along..
so i would just give it a little while, and if smokey stops posting his plays for us then im sure they will be here on a nightly basis anyway...
ok buddy have a great nite and plz dont feel you have to let it go, i like talking about this stuff sometimes. you would be surprised at how much i agree with on what you say
see ya later
[This message was edited by Caesar on January 21, 2004 at 01:40 AM.]
let me say i believe he posts them right before gametime to stop the kind of thing your encouraging. what would happen if he gave us his superbowl pick right now. that info would fly thru every forum on the net and WOULD take money out of his pocket.
look i dont understand his business model either but im no businessman and he has been doing this for quite sometime. For instance i would much rather have 100 clients at 200 a month, then 25 at 400 per month, but that is just the way i think. Its like the store with zero bad debts from customers who dont know that they are losing money because of it.
and i agree with you, if he stops posting his plays here then he is fair game. i really dont know all the details that you speak of about this past weekend, but if i was chuck i would have a person in every forum trying to drum up business. compared to some of the clowns selling their picks on another forum i frequent, they would welcome chuck with open arms.
also i get dawg's plays for pittance of what other people are paying, but i wont post them because i have respect for what dawg did for us in the two months before he went tout. but as time goes on, i wont have a problem posting dawg's plays, because lets be honest this was part of his master plan all along..
so i would just give it a little while, and if smokey stops posting his plays for us then im sure they will be here on a nightly basis anyway...
ok buddy have a great nite and plz dont feel you have to let it go, i like talking about this stuff sometimes. you would be surprised at how much i agree with on what you say
see ya later
[This message was edited by Caesar on January 21, 2004 at 01:40 AM.]
Hey guys...Let me explain something...When I first came here and posted at RX I was not very liked because I bashed that tout...The reason I did was he said to us that he was going to start e-mailing all the plays because we would get them faster because sometimes the forum is slow....I would love to find that post by him...He did not have the balls to say.."I am going to start charging for my plays"...He only said that after you sent him your e-mail...I really do not understand how some of you can back up such a scammer...unless you knew it was coming...If the guy wanted to go pay, that's fine...but doing it the way he did sucked...Ayways, thanks for the welcome and I will do my best to pitch in when-ever I can....Good Luck to everyone...And guys, let's stay together...we are here for one reason...To kick his a$$...Good Luck team...
I found it...Here it is....
DAWGMAN
Certifiably Crazy
posted January 06, 2004 10:12 PM
Guys, just wanted to go ahead and start getting the ones of you that want to recieve the info I post e-mailed to you..Please e-mail me if your interested, even if you have already gave it to me, as some addresses have changed etc..This will make it a whole lot easier for me and especially on those days when the forums are slammed (i.e. weekends). You will be able to recieve the info on time!! Please e-mail your forum name when you do this so I will know who you are. Only the serious and positive need apply!! Thank you all in advance!!
E-mail to Lmoney711@aol.com Please send info to me by Friday Jan 9, 2004..
DAWG
Now, I say this is bull...only the serious and positive??? He meant only the one's who have money!!! Oh well, I will leave it alone for now...just wanted you to see my side of it....
DAWGMAN
Certifiably Crazy
posted January 06, 2004 10:12 PM
Guys, just wanted to go ahead and start getting the ones of you that want to recieve the info I post e-mailed to you..Please e-mail me if your interested, even if you have already gave it to me, as some addresses have changed etc..This will make it a whole lot easier for me and especially on those days when the forums are slammed (i.e. weekends). You will be able to recieve the info on time!! Please e-mail your forum name when you do this so I will know who you are. Only the serious and positive need apply!! Thank you all in advance!!
E-mail to Lmoney711@aol.com Please send info to me by Friday Jan 9, 2004..
DAWG
Now, I say this is bull...only the serious and positive??? He meant only the one's who have money!!! Oh well, I will leave it alone for now...just wanted you to see my side of it....
