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Nevermind sentinel backed off good move or CNBC was trying to create some panic who knows.

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Sentinel warns of losses if clients panic
Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:45PM EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sentinel Management Group Inc, which oversees about $1.6 billion in assets, sought to prevent clients from withdrawing their cash to avoid having to liquidate investments at a discount, helping to take the Dow on Tuesday to its lowest close in almost four months.

"Sentinel caught the biggest headlines today, and there were rumors about more liquidity issues and more distress concerning the investment banks," said David Katz, chief investment officer at Matrix Asset Advisors in New York.

"The market is shooting first and asking questions later, and as in the past weeks, weakness has begotten more weakness."

Sentinel, a futures commission merchant (FCM) with the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), told clients in an August 13 letter: "We are concerned that we cannot meet any significant redemption requests without selling securities at deep discounts to their fair value and therefore causing unnecessary losses to our clients."

"We do not see an alternative and we don't believe it is in anyone's best interest if a run on Sentinel took place and we were in a forced liquidation mode," the letter said.

Early on Tuesday, CNBC Television reported the existence of the letter and said Sentinel had asked the CFTC to allow it to halt client redemptions until it could conduct them in an orderly fashion.

The CFTC later said it had received no such request from Sentinel and that even if it had, it had no authority to act on such a request.
 

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Is this article about Basehead? People who have argued with me about housing have simply proven to be wrong. Its been a terrible investment in the last few years and will only get worse. Meanwhile the happy go lucky market people have shut up over the last few weeks. Notice that when the dollar rallies the market goes down. That's because that U.S. paper worth squat pushes up stock values and just about everything else.

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"...All financial bubbles need the rabble to pile in before the bubble goes bang. But something's amiss this time round..."



DAY TRADERS in spring 2000, shoe-shine boys in 1929, the "meaner rabble" in 1720's London...
Glancing at the history of speculative bubbles, as we do all too often here at BullionVault, we find the ordinary sort in fact acts as the very pin itself.
The one thing needful at the top of each bubble, the rabble also take on the role of greatest sucker, too. Piling in as the smart money runs for the exits, the common-or-garden investor pays top price. He or she is then left holding the "asset" as its price collapses...and by that time, the Lear Jets have long since cleared the tarmac...taking the money with them.
Think of it as the classic "life cycle" pitch from your financial advisor, only with a side-splitting twist. There, you'll find a retirement wannabee moving from "accumulation" to "distribution" and then "legacy". In a market-wide bubble, by contrast, the smart money first accumulates an asset, before distributing it to the dumb money, which is then left holding a legacy of wipe-out losses and debt.
Ha! It's a laugh-a-minute when the poor schmucks find the "wealth" they've gathered is evaporating in the sell-off.
But something's amiss with the pattern of the latest financial bubble to burst - the bubble inflated by cheap home loans worldwide. Yes, "Every fool aspired to be a knave," as a broadside noted of the South Sea Bubble nearly 300 years earlier. No-doc and low-doc aren't known as "liar's loans" for nothing.
But rather than the fools merely failing to turn knave now they're losing their homes, they have also succeeded in pushing the foolishness far higher up the food chain. The greatest excesses have come at the top, up in the marble-topped kitchen of haute finance - where the MBS, CDS and CDOs still can't be served, mercifully, to ordinary investors calling their broker direct.
Driven by the "liar's loans" of 2003-2006, in fact, this last gasp of air into the US housing boom saw the mortgage lenders and their creditors - the investment banks - playing the fools at every chance they got.

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Mortgage lenders happily played the fool, apparently safe in the knowledge that the magic of securitization - of packaging home-loan assets for sale to other financial institutions - would get them "off risk" quick smart. Why worry about risk when appraising a new loan? The chance of default by the wannabee home-owner was set to become somebody else's concern.
Nor was the chance of default a concern for the investment banks, either. In running the sale of the home-loan backed bonds, they simply passed on the risk...letting it trickle through their fingers in return for a fat fee. Bundling higher-risk securities into a collateralized debt obligation (CDO) with enough boxes ticked to qualify for a triple-A rating, managers could earn up to 0.75% of the sum total. One asset manager says he'd expect a pay-out of $2.5 million each and every year until maturity on a $500 million CDO.
With the money men playing the fools so gladly, therefore, it's no surprise to find mortgage underwriting changed beyond recognition between 1998 and 2006, as First American Financial recently reported:
  • Adjustable rate mortgages as a percentage of new mortgages rose from 0.7% to 69.5%;
  • Negative Amortization loans - where the principal owed actually increases over time - rose from 0% to 42.2% of the market;
  • Interest Only home loans - where the borrower only has to cover the interest due, leaving the principal for repayment sometime in the far future - rose from 0.1% to 35.6%;
  • Silent Seconds, issued on the back of outstanding loans to the most vaguely-related people, rose from 0.1% to 38.7%;
  • Low Documentation - where the greater the lie, the greater the loan - rose from 57% to 79.8%.
In short, the US mortgage market switched from cautious Fixed-Rate borrowing to head-in-the-sand ARMs...while the underlying debt was left untouched or actually grew larger...as borrowers struggled to meet just the interest alone after fudging the numbers to bag a loan they could never repay.
Most shocking of all, as Robert Rodriguez of First Pacific Advisors has noted, "is that the origination volumes for the last two years, when the most egregious deterioration in underwriting standards occurred, total more than the previous seven years of originations combined."

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The Fed's data only runs back to 2001, but it clearly shows that - just as in every bubble before it - the value of cash taken out by the smart money at the top of the US home-loans scandal was greater than the entire accumulation preceding it.
Quite who this smart money was, however, remains a real mystery. For the dumb money pumped in at the top actually came from hedge funds and Wall Street insiders, rather than flowing to them! This time around, it was the smartest guys in the room who played sucker - lending money to home-buyers with no thought for risk and no hope of repayment.
A victory for us poor fools at the bottom, perhaps? Trouble is for the "meaner rabble", of course, the knaves and the fools at Bear Stearns, Queen's Walk, Basis Capital, IKB, BNP Paribas, Barclays Capital and everywhere else were using our retirement savings to inflate that last gasp. Put mortgage-backed tomfoolery aside, in fact, and you'll find the same problem - of professional investors neglecting the concept of risk in search of easy returns - right across the developed world's pension portfolio right now.
"24% of all the hyper-leveraged assets managed by large hedge funds ($1 billion or more) internationally, belong to pension funds and endowments," says a June 18 report from Greenwich Associates, as quoted by Paul Gallagher in the Executive Intelligence Review. "This average is just below the 25% limit at which an individual hedge fund, under the [US] Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) as modified in 2006, becomes an investment advisor with fiduciary responsibility for the pension fund doing the investing - something hedge funds obviously do not want to do."
More than that, pension funds have also stumped up one-fifth of the money held in 'hedge funds of funds', the aggregating super-funds run by many large banks. In first-half 2007, around 40% of current flows into the hedge fund industry has come from pension funds. And "as pension fund money is coming in," says Gallagher, "it's allowing 'smart' money to get out."
Or rather, the flood of pension fund money was allowing the smarties to get out before the start of August. Now even the dimmest pension fund trustee...sat on even the farthest flung beach for his vacation...will know just how foolish buying mortgage-backed bonds and derivatives would make him today. Quite how the so-called smart money now plans to exit the high-leverage debt markets is anyone's guess.
"The overall flow of capital into hedge funds has dropped dramatically - from $40 billion each quarter over January-September 2006," Gallagher goes on, "to just $12 billion in fourth quarter 2006, and $20.7 billion in first quarter 2007. Numerous reports, including a new one from Chicago-based Hedge Fund Research, Inc., have shown 'high net-worth individuals' reducing their net hedge fund investments by half, between 2006 and 2007 - investing instead into real property and stocks. They now account for only about 20% of the assets of hedge funds, which were supposedly made for them."
Instead of high-net worth billionaires, it's now Joe Public left holding this junk, thanks of course to his well-paid retirement fund managers. As late as May of this year, Jean Fleischhacker - a senior managing director at Bear Stearns - was telling fund managers gathered in a Vegas ballroom that they could generate 20% annual returns from un-rated mortgage-backed credit derivatives. The Dallas Police and Fire Pension Fund bought its first collateralized debt obligation (CDO) in early 2005. "We were beefing up our risk and we were hoping for a greater return," said Richard Tettament, head of the $3.2 billion fund, to Bloomberg in March. He couldn't say what kind of collateral was actually backing the CDO, but he reckoned the returns were above 20% in 2006. The largest bank in the United States, Citigroup, recently sold $140 million in just this kind of un-rated junk to the California Public Employees' Retirement System, too.
Members of the Calpers scheme have just got to wonder, along with the rest of us: How much is that $140 million worth today? Because the "meaner rabble" really did climb on board this mega-geared bubble in liars' loans.
It's just that in this money bubble, most people had no idea they were even involved - let alone put at risk. It should offer small comfort, however. Giving control of your money to a financial "expert" might indeed prove the most foolish decision of all.
 

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20.00 it is.

At last closing bell of 2007 the DOW will be 14K+ IMO.

Is it all or nothing for me or do we play closest to actual #?

This works thru the market in around 3 mos. IMO so Im cutting close but I really dont think the fed is done chipping in here.Like it or not Bernenke is going to drop rates as the credit restrictions grow.


I also beleive we may go sub 13 but another 5 Im not buying.These swings are largely driven by emotion and irresponsible remarks from folks who should know better or just remarks taken way out of context..I mean look at today w/ WALMART.To read an MSM story today youd think they were closing up shop.But these are the things that feed hysteria and volatility and the ingredients for the bottom to drop out just arent there.Of course if revenue and profits dry up all of a sudden we'd be in big trouble as you mentioned but its not going happen.Thats what Im wagering on in fact.

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12,300 before it ever sniffs 14K

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Time to pay the :nopityA: is coming soon boss. That helicopter cash only goes so far.

Guns, gold, ammo and jugs bro, stock up :suomi::suomi:
 

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asia getting mauled by the bears, yen carry trade unwinding picking up pace yen has gained 1.6% vs. the kiwi, tomorrow looks like its shaping up to be a interesting day, dow futures off 63 as of now.
 

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Amazing how quickly sentiment changes isn't it? Wow the currency markets are going nuts volitility wise nice spike down on the yen.

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Basis Capital Says Yield Fund Loss May Top 80% (Update1)

By Laura Cochrane

Aug. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Australia's Basis Capital Fund Management Ltd. said losses in one of its funds may exceed 80 percent as the rout in the U.S. subprime market prompted its creditors to force the sale of some assets.

The Sydney-based hedge fund has been unable to ``accurately estimate'' the net asset value of units in its Yield Fund because of ``further deterioration of market conditions,'' Basis said today in a letter sent to investors and obtained by Bloomberg News.

Basis Capital was the first Australian hedge fund to announce losses from its exposure to U.S. subprime loans.

``The situation in global structured credit markets remains fluid and uncertain,'' Basis said in the letter.

The funds ran into trouble by investing in the unrated, riskiest portions of collateralized debt obligations and then leveraging the investment. The portions, also known by bankers as ``toxic waste,'' are first in line for any losses when borrowers fall short on mortgage payments.

The extent of the asset declines is masked by the reluctance of investors to buy and sell these illiquid securities. Basis Capital, which had assets of $1 billion as recently as May, hired Blackstone Group LP as an adviser to negotiate with creditors.
 

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The NIKKEI is down around 300 at 1:00 pm - I say the US markets are headed dead south for a while now - I was speaking to my friend who handles my money - they think once it goes under 13,000 there will be a free fall physocolgy.
 

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Where you at sheep GS needs some help...the days of 700k+ annual bonuses for GS employees at stake here.

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Goldman `Quant' Fund Cuts Fees to Woo Investors After 28% Loss

By Christine Harper and Katherine Burton

Aug. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. waived the management fee for new investors in its Global Equity Opportunities hedge fund after the stock-market rout wiped out $1.4 billion of assets this month, according to a person with direct knowledge of the terms.

New participants in the so-called quantitative fund including Goldman itself, billionaire Eli Broad and former American International Group Inc. Chairman Maurice ``Hank'' Greenberg also will keep a larger share of any gains, said the person, who declined to be named because the arrangement isn't public. Goldman also offered the new fees to existing investors in the fund who increase their stakes. Spokesman Lucas van Praag confirmed the terms and declined to comment further.

Goldman, the world's most profitable securities firm and the second-largest hedge fund manager, needed to attract new money after sudden drops in stock prices worldwide confounded Global Equity's computer-driven bets and threatened to spur withdrawals. Global Equity lost 28 percent of its value this month as other quant funds, including AQR Capital Management LLC and Highbridge Capital Management LLC, also suffered declines.

``In order to lure outside investors, they had to sweeten the deal,'' said Ross Intelisano, a lawyer in New York at Rich & Intelisano LLP, which advises hedge fund clients.

New York-based Goldman invested $2 billion of its own money in the fund, which had $3.6 billion in assets after last week's tailspin. Existing investors can get the same terms on any money they commit by Aug. 17, the deadline for redemption notices this month.
 

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wow yen up 2.43% vs. the kiwi now huge spike...japan off 403 now...dow futures off 74.....yikes...time to down some more beers while the good/complacent times last :toast:
 

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Id say Ive hardly been quiet during this pullback.

The fact is for 4-5 years now the so called "bears" have been quiet and now their everyday doomsday scenario has gained a crack of daylight and they start to crow like proud papas.Unfortunately,the same powers that caused the mess will be the ones that save the mess and perpetuate the mess.Im not here to play the game against what I hope might happens but what I think will happen.Theres certainly money to be made one the way down and plenty of companies that can be called "safe" investments and the one that bail from the risky ones will end up in the "safe" ones.Just got to beat them to it.
 

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Wow countrywide is imploding stock down over 20% right now bankrupcy on the horizon? Starting to drag the markets with it dow cracked 13000.
 

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If countrywide goes tits up, the fed wont be able to stop this humpty dumpty market from really tanking.

Housing market will freefall at accelerated pace.

55k employees at countrywide...wouldnt want my paycheck coming from that place right now.


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CFC is fukin toast.

Dow down 7% in just the last 5 days. The road to 12K gaining momentum. Just a matter of time.

minor correction boys? LoL

Dow at -115 with 30 minutes left.

Bet it dumps -200 by 3.00
 

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yen back to near the highs of the day continues to amaze me how the yen movement mimics the markets (yen goes up markets go down). The Yen carry trade just one part of this grand ponzi scheme that is unraveling before our eyes.
 

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HAHAHAH 3 companies worldwide rated AAA lot more debt imploding to come yikes.

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Nestle Loses AAA Rating From Fitch on Share Buyback (Update2)

By Steve Rothwell and John Glover

Aug. 15 (Bloomberg) -- The number of companies ranked triple-A by the biggest credit ratings firms dwindled to three worldwide today as Fitch Ratings stripped Nestle SA of the top grade.

Nestle, the last European company with triple-A grades from Moody's Investors Service, Standard & Poor's and Fitch, had its rating cut by one level to AA+ after announcing its biggest-ever share buyback. The downgrade leaves only Johnson & Johnson, Toyota Motor Corp. and Exxon Mobil Corp. holding the complete set of triple-A ratings.

``It's the end of an era,'' said Rob Orman, a credit analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in London. He expects S&P to follow suit and cut Nestle.

The largest global food company's shares rose the most in more than five years on the 25 billion Swiss-franc ($21 billion) buyback plans and higher-than-estimated first-half profit. The Vevey, Switzerland-based company's credit risk is the highest in more than a year, according to credit-default swaps.

Nestle's rating remains ``the Gold Standard in its industry,'' Chief Financial Officer Paul Polman said in an e- mailed response to Fitch's downgrade.

Credit-default swaps on Nestle were priced at 10.5 basis points today, triple the 3 basis points in June, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. An increase indicates deterioration in perceptions of credit quality. A basis point on a credit- default swap contract protecting 10 million euros ($13.5 million) of debt is equivalent to 1,000 euros.

Investors holding Nestle's 250 million Swiss francs of bonds due in 2018 demanded an additional 1 basis point in yield at 25 basis points more than similar-maturity government notes, according to UBS AG.

The share buyback may make financial sense for Nestle, even with the ratings cut, said Orman at Royal Bank of Scotland.

``It's a question of the efficient use of capital,'' said Orman. ``Debt is cheaper than equity so companies load up with debt, and of course their ratings come off.''
 

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Great article

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Greenspan, Bush errors finally home to roost

THE pessimists who have long forecast that America's economy was in for trouble finally seem to be coming into their own.

Of course, there is no glee in seeing stock prices tumble as a result of soaring mortgage defaults. But it was largely predictable, as are the likely consequences for both the millions of Americans who will be facing financial distress and the global economy.

The story goes back to the recession of 2001. With the support of US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, US President George W. Bush pushed through a tax cut designed to benefit the richest Americans but not to lift the economy out of the recession that followed the collapse of the Internet bubble.

Given that mistake, the Fed had little choice if it was to fulfill its mandate to maintain growth and employment: it had to lower interest rates.

Usually, low interest rates lead firms to borrow more to invest more, and greater indebtedness is matched by more productive assets. But, given that overinvestment in the 1990s was part of the problem underpinning the recession, lower interest rates did not stimulate much investment.

The economy grew, but mainly because American families were persuaded to take on more debt, refinancing their mortgages and spending some of the proceeds. And, as long as housing prices rose as a result of lower interest rates, Americans could ignore their growing indebtedness.

In fact, even this did not stimulate the economy enough. To get more people to borrow more money, credit standards were lowered, fueling growth in so-called "subprime" mortgages.

Moreover, new products were invented, which lowered upfront payments, making it easier for individuals to take bigger mortgages. Some mortgages even had negative amortization: payments did not cover the interest due, so every month the debt grew more.

Fixed mortgages, with interest rates at six percent, were replaced with variable-rate mortgages, whose interest payments were tied to the lower short-term T-bill rates.

What were called "teaser rates" allowed even lower payments for the first few years: they were teasers, because they played off the fact that many borrowers were not financially sophisticated, and didn't really understand what they were getting into.

Alan Greenspan egged them to pile on the risk by encouraging these variable-rate mortgages. But did Greenspan really expect interest rates to remain permanently at one percent - a negative real interest rate?

Did he not think about what would happen to poor Americans with variable-rate mortgages if interest rates rose, as they almost surely would?

Of course, Greenspan's behavior meant that under his watch, the economy performed better than it otherwise would have. But it was only a matter of time before that performance became unsustainable.

Fortunately, most Americans did not follow Greenspan's advice to switch to variable-rate mortgages. Even as short-term interest rates began to rise, the day of reckoning was postponed, as new borrowers could obtain fixed-rate mortgages at interest rates that were not increasing.

Remarkably, as short-term interest rates rose, medium- and long-term interest rates did not, something that was referred to as a "conundrum."

One hypothesis is that foreign central banks that were accumulating trillions of dollars finally figured out that they were likely to be holding these reserves for years to come, and could afford to put at least some of the money into medium-term US Treasury notes yielding (initially) far higher returns than T-bills.

The housing price bubble eventually broke, and, with prices declining, some have discovered that their mortgages are larger than the value of their house.

Too many Americans built no cushion into their budgets, and mortgage companies, focusing on the fees generated by new mortgages, did not encourage them to do so.

Just as the collapse of the real estate bubble was predictable, so are its consequences: housing starts and sales of existing homes are down and housing inventories are up.

By some reckonings, more than two-thirds of the increase in output and employment over the past six years has been real estate-related, reflecting both new housing and households borrowing against their homes to support a consumption binge.

The housing bubble induced Americans to live beyond their means - net savings has been negative for the past couple of years. With this engine of growth turned off, it is hard to see how the American economy will not suffer from a slowdown.

There is an old adage about how people's mistakes continue to live long after they are gone. That is certainly true of Greenspan.

In Bush's case, we are beginning to bear the consequences even before he has departed.
 

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Man yen continues to plow ahead gonna be another interesting night on the asian markets think we are approaching the big one. I'm getting scared, gonna hate to see the fallout if my fears (global depression) come to fruition. In the end I tried to warn who i could. Got kudlow on CNBC begging Fed to lower rates now too after these same guys were pumping this ponzi scheme for years and years.
 

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