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Clip, how would you feel if your home declined by 30%? The 200,000 grand your up would evaporate. Sell it and rent and wait for armageddon in the market. My free advice to you....And I know nothing, yes, but I do have a feeling here.
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Your an idiot. Renting is throwing money away. Sell ?
Why not come to Florida because we have 27 miles that seperates the everglades and the ocean...Housing prices will never retreat here....Dumb Advice. Go to library so you can a thing or two.

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short, sweet, and STUPID!

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<hr style="color: rgb(253, 222, 130);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Personally I think that housing in certain areas like California are undervalued. I personally think that many people will be priced out of the state. It is the best state in the country.
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could he even get 200k today? i doubt it.

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wait till the next inevitable earthquake hits cali

than will be the time to buy in that state

anyway getting a bit too sarcastically gloomy here people gonna start getting mad at me

DAW you getting pretty mean too and egging me on
 

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still a 12 month wait?

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<hr style="color: rgb(253, 222, 130);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Still a 12 month wait to get a house built in my part of Florida been shopping for a bigger one Up over 100% in less than 2 years here, bought for 160K in march '04 just appraised for 350K here and their building the same model for more in my subdivision.

Got a line of credit as well, Nice to have a blank checks that I can write for up to 150K, can't do that renting.

But with taxes for an average house at around 5K a year plus association fees, I can't see how anyone can make it renting out houses anymore.
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how those property taxes treating everyone too?

they get appraised at 350k or whatever and locked in at those levels as far as property taxes go for a few years, while their home is falling to 250k in the mean time

just can't help myself
 

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One of a handful of gem posts from northern star

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Again more rubbish. This example is equally blanketing every market in the entire country.

"Buy a house and everyone gets rich, everyone proclaims"!

Sorry, but markets dont operate this way and real estate, is no exception.

Thus, this is exactly why this is a huge bubble and in most markets the bust will be tremendous.

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More complex concepts are confusing for you. I just pointed out why not to pay off your mortgage and invest the difference and why. Later you argue you should have made a million by investing in the stock market and use an example of Cisco? How many people picked Cisco and held it and made a million? I could just win 100 sports bets in a row with last weeks newspaper.

I think you can only use history as a guide to the future and possible returns. Historically the stock market has a return over a long period of time of 10+%. Take any 10 year period. You can't judge a long term plan on a one month or one year result. Housing market has a long term increase of approximately 3%. In a free market supply and demand drives prices, if the market you are buying in has demand the prices will go up. If you are in a market where there are no jobs and people are moving it will go down. If you are buying in a area with a strong economy the risk of depreciation decreases and the likelyhood of the housing market increasing in value increase.

The recent housing slump and now the subprime fallout is going to present some good buying opportunities just like the stock market crash. I think the rental market is going to be much stronger and the ability to demand higher rents by us slum lords is going to increase because with the fall out of the subprime market is that some people that want to buy wont be able to buy. They will be forced to rent. Back to supply and demand, more renters will result in higher rents.

And renting is not the number two way to become a millionare, it is not the stock market, it is real estate!!!!
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where are you getting this stuff from DAW

this is good stuff

and you wonder why we are heading for what we are heading for

all during this boom time i was just shaking my head saying who knows when the madness will end but it'll end badly
 

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:lolBIG::lolBIG:

I remember when i told my family/ friends I was going so far as to sell the house I lived in and rent.....they looked at me with horror. literaly thought I was fukin nuts and said so. Of course that just reinforced my opinion

now, those same people are all talking about how renting is so great. which would normally mean its the time to buy. haven't heard CNBC trumping renting yet though, when they do is confirmation. I will be a contrarian until the day I die and it will always be profitable
 

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link provided tiz

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=291308

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selling a home you love and your kids love so you can trade the real estate market is idiotic.

do that if you have investment homes sure, but your primary residence? fucking stupid

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hey you know what's funny...I read this EXACT same advice in the June 13, 2005 issue of time magazine.....you know the one

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2 years later that cover is widely (and correctly) regarded as the peak of the housing boom

I listed my home I lived in as well as two rentals the very next day after seeing that cover story and reading the bullshit advice and they sold within a week....each is down currently over 30%....my primary home down $175,000K from what I sold if for


So save us from your bullshit advice in the future. it was the Mother-Of-All-Bubbles
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OOPS! Now u get to play musical chairs but w/o chairs this time.

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Clip, how would you feel if your home declined by 30%? The 200,000 grand your up would evaporate. Sell it and rent and wait for armageddon in the market. My free advice to you....And I know nothing, yes, but I do have a feeling here.
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A year later...still climbing...:toast:
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mother nature might be slamming on the breaks to china's economy near term

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Weather Chills China's Economy
Snow and cold have crippled transportation on the mainland, leading to higher inflation and power shortages that are bound to slow exports

Jeffrey Schwartz, the CEO of McDonald's' (MCD) China operation, boarded a plane on the morning of Jan. 28 in Shanghai for what should have been a routine flight to Beijing. But with some of the worst winter weather in memory hammering the country's transportation network, there are no routine flights in China these days. Schwartz didn't arrive in the Chinese capital till that night. "That hour-and-45-minute journey took me 12 hours," he says. "It was the snow."

Millions of people throughout China are suffering far greater hardships. One of the worst snowstorms to hit China since the government began keeping records in 1950 has wreaked havoc throughout the country. At least two dozen people have died in accidents and 827,000 people have been displaced. Heavy snowfall has caused gridlock at train stations and airports, just two weeks before the Chinese New Year begins and hundreds of millions of Chinese return home for the holidays.

The weather is already taking its toll on the Chinese economy. So far the snowstorms have cost $3 billion in damages, according to the Civil Affairs Ministry. The heavy snow, sleet, and freezing rain have created transportation bottlenecks for travelers as well as for shipments of coal, vital to fueling China's power plants. Over the weekend a power outage forced authorities to cancel trains from Beijing to the southern metropolis of Guangzhou, stranding 600,000 passengers at the Guangzhou train station. Guangdong province has halted train ticket sales from Jan. 27 to Feb. 6, and bad weather has forced 19 airports across China to shut down. On Jan. 28, the Shanghai stock exchange plunged 7.2%, hitting a five-month low, on worries about the economic impact of the freeze. Shares did not recover much Jan. 29, rising less than 1%.
Jarring Slowdown Feared

The concern among economists is the weather's impact on China's inflation problem. Even before the storms of January the consumer price index was rising at a troublesome rate, with prices in December jumping 6.5%. Much of that was from rising food prices, due in part to a pork shortage following a devastating swine flu outbreak last year (BusinessWeek.com, 8/17/07). Now, "because of the transport disruption and the damage to farmland, food prices may go up even more rapidly," says Paul Cavey, an economist with Macquarie in Hong Kong. The Agriculture Ministry's basket of wholesale food prices "has shot up quite remarkably" this month, he adds; it rose 11%.

Soaring prices and electricity shortages are bound to have an impact on China's export machine. Roughly half of China's provinces have reported brownouts because power plants could not get enough coal. "A lot of factories will close because households will be given priority for using electricity," says Mingchun Sun, an economist in Hong Kong with Lehman Brothers (LEH). "That will hurt production and exports." Sun predicts export growth—which has been running at 22% over the past four months—to slide to as low as 10% in January. And since factories will close for a week during Chinese New Year next month, export growth in February will be disappointing, too. (There was no Chinese New Year slowdown last February; a change in tax laws that took effect after the holiday encouraged companies to go into overdrive in the weeks beforehand.)

While Sun says the chances of a rebound in the spring are good, he worries that rising inflation and falling export numbers could jolt an economy that already has been slowing. On Jan. 24 the government announced that economic growth for the fourth quarter of 2007 was 11.2%, still torrid but down from 11.9% six months earlier.

The difficulty for Beijing's policymakers is that they want the overheated economy to cool off some, but not so much that job growth sputters at a time when demand from China's biggest export market is likely to fall as the U.S. teeters on the brink of recession (BusinessWeek.com, 1/24/07). "People are already expecting an export slowdown," says Sun. "If they see two months of slow export growth, that could cause some problems in confidence."

Confidence is taking a hit now in many sectors of the economy. Over the weekend, ice storms forced authorities to restrict electricity to factories and plants in the center of the country. One company affected was Sydney (Australia)-based mining company Sino Gold, through its operations in Guizhou province. Sino Gold's plant normally needs 30 megawatts of power to extract gold from the gold ore, but recently has only been able to get eight. The company originally expected to produce 12,700 ounces of gold for February, but with the plant running at less than full capacity it will have to dial back its forecast. "We were previously told we were likely to be on full power by the 28th," says Jake Klein, Sino Gold's chief executive. But that deadline has passed and he's not optimistic. "With the extreme weather, we're told that the restrictions will continue," he says.
Drought Raises Demand for Coal Power

For now, multinationals operating in China are trying to remain upbeat, saying that business hasn't been affected. Dell (DELL), for instance, employs 3,000 workers in the southeastern city of Xiamen, where the computer company builds PCs for the Chinese market. Xiamen has been spared the worst of the weather, says Dell spokesperson Sharon Zhang, and most of Dell's suppliers are based nearby. "For manufacturing there is definitely no impact," she says. Still, Dell commits to a four-hour response time if customers need on-site technical support, something the company will obviously be hard pressed to do right now. The Chinese New Year is a peak shopping season in China, and the transportation bottlenecks might hurt the ability of stores to stock up on inventory in the days before the holiday. However, Zhang says, that shouldn't be a big problem for Dell. "The majority of the goods should be at the stores already," she says.

Chinese meteorologists blame global climate change for the unseasonably high snowfall. However many of the resulting problems have been exacerbated by recent government decisions. Of the 17 (out of a total of 31) provinces to report power shortages, most are concentrated in central China. It's no coincidence that since last winter, that part of the country has been experiencing the most severe drought in 50 years. "These areas use hydropower more than other areas, so the drought in these areas affects how much electricity they can generate," Zhu Hongren, deputy director of the macroeconomic planning agency National Development & Reform Commission's economic cooperation bureau, told reporters at a Jan. 28 press conference.

Since Jan. 12, the western city of Chongqing has been restricting electricity to factories and asking some of them to start their vacation early. The abnormal amount of snow has caused power lines and supporting pylons to snap like twigs. Plus, without hydropower, Chongqing is relying entirely on coal-fired power plants, forcing them to overwork and break down. Because Chongqing does not have its own coal mines it needs to buy coal from other parts of China and transport it to western China, and that too has posed a problem. "Since December, we haven't been able to get enough coal," says He Ruisheng, director of Chongqing Electric Power's press office.

China's coal supplies have dropped to 21.4 million tons as of Jan. 25, half of its normal levels. Chinese power plants' ravenous demand partially explains the steep drop in coal supplies, but there are also other factors. In a research note to clients, Goldman Sachs (GS) economist Hong Liang points out that the government caps electricity and gasoline prices, but allows market prices of coal and oil to continue to rise. Hence it's not surprising that power companies are reducing electricity supply as their profit margins get squeezed. Also, authorities have been cracking down on unsafe mines and closing small mines.
 

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woof... looks like we can purchase our favorite uranium stock at a nice price :toast:

some food for thought on uranium side of things

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Uranium Declines to $78 a Pound, Lowest Since October, UxC Says

By Yuriy Humber

Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Uranium fell to the lowest since October as Australia and Kazakhstan, two of the world's top three producers, reported increased 2007 output, and supply rose to four times demand.

Uranium oxide concentrate for immediate delivery declined to $78 a pound yesterday, according to Roswell, Georgia-based Ux Consulting Co. The price represents the lowest sell offer on the trading system of inter-dealer broker Tullet Prebon Plc. Uranium traded at $86 a pound last week, according to UxC.

The price drop, from a peak of $138 in June, may extend as investors ``unload material into a market characterized by little demand,'' UxC said. Supply for immediate delivery was 2.1 million pounds last week, compared with demand of 500,000 pounds, according to Denver-based TradeTech LLC.

Australia increased its uranium output 13 percent last year to 10,145 metric tons, though still below the levels in 2004 and 2005, according to the Australian Uranium Association.

Kazakhstan produced 6,637 tons in 2007, and plans to mine 45 percent more this year, state-owned Kazatomprom said Jan. 23.

Prices have also fallen on concern Russia will sign an agreement as early as this week to begin shipments to the U.S. from 2011, replacing a military agreement between the two countries that expires in five years.
 

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yahoo down 8% in AH

nazcrappy 100 off .3%

sidd note for today

pepsi was down 10% on earnings
 

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sorry my bad think pepsi spun off their bottling group

the bottling group was down 10%

err...well pepsi is so spread out now i looks like

anyway the soda end of pepsi's business had some crappy results
 

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The stigma of bankruptcy and foreclosure will be greatly reduced in the future. The smart move is absolutely to walk away. Lenders will also bare some of the shame, and will not hesitate to lend reasonable sums of money to people, as long as the borrower's only major blemish is the foreclosure.
 

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short term its the right move

but you better be sure you have some savings and capital, have a secure job, and won't need to take on much debt in the near future (next 4-5 years)

plus alot of people's savings are in equities via 401k's, IRA's etc and those are gonna get thrashed going forward

this will all ripple on through the economy, and kill consumption (75% of our economy) and job markets along with it

we heading for a recession only question to ask is how bad is it gonna be

people better tighten up their spending habits and start thinking about the future

not what can make their life more enjoyable in the near term by spending beyond their means
 

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I am in law school right now, and a few people who are older and have gone back to school are considering walking away from homes they own in California. 3 years law school + 1 year MBA + 1 Year Masters in Taxation Law (LLM), puts them five years from the foreclosure. For them, it absolutely makes sense. I sure wish I could bang out $1000 package deals for 1/2 hour consults in the same mold that the walkaway guy.

Also, the thoughts from class today:
* gold has topped
* democrats will win the election and will fix everything
* This is no worse than the early 2000's housing wise.
* tomorrow's rate cut should fix everything.
* Housing Market will right itself by early '09.
 

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I am in law school right now, and a few people who are older and have gone back to school are considering walking away from homes they own in California. 3 years law school + 1 year MBA + 1 Year Masters in Taxation Law (LLM), puts them five years from the foreclosure. For them, it absolutely makes sense. I sure wish I could bang out $1000 package deals for 1/2 hour consults in the same mold that the walkaway guy.

Also, the thoughts from class today:
* gold has topped
* democrats will win the election and will fix everything
* This is no worse than the early 2000's housing wise.
* tomorrow's rate cut should fix everything.
* Housing Market will right itself by early '09.

are you on crack the housing market right now is way worse than 2000

2000 had nothing to do with housing anyway it was a tech bubble totally different scenerio (our current scerio more similiar to late 70s early 80s if you want to play the comparison game but housing boomed way more now than it did than so the fallout gonna be worse)

dems win the election and fix everything :ohno:

wow

well good luck to you is all i can say

be prudent, start saving, and stay away from debt as much as possible, starting thinking long term

the days of living beyond your means and easy cheap credit are going by the way side it never was sustainable long term and it never will be

ben and dems might be able to short term keep things getting extremely bad for those that are indebted but in the long run they just making things worse

haha michelangelo, exactly people took out free money loans and now its like eh who cares i'll walk away, overall this is hurting our economy even more :103631605

as for the 1000 dollar packages its just crap, its basically paying somebody a 1000 bucks for some you could do on your own if you took the time to do your own research and such, maybe for some its not worth the hassle and would rather give somebody a 1000 dollars i dunno

your credit and home buying ability in the future will be crippled for at least 4-5 years regardless of what those people tell you
 

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