sell! sell! sell!

[tiznow]

The mega church thing getting pretty outta control too.. Organized religion just comical to me., if you wannabe religious and have faith on a personal level fine more power to ya.. I'm not trying to force feed anythig mysef.. I'm agnostic.. Not atheist..

Just can't understand in this this day and age why people well off/comfortable(I get the poor and downtrodden) need the crutch of religion or whatever choosing to get by.. Why is it so hard to accept our meaninless existence for what it is.. Anywho human kind in general just will never make any sense to me I guess..

 

[eek.]

Our lives are completely meaningless just floating on a rock in a humongous universe..

Another reason why we need to get off-planet and explore the universe
We're all bored shitless and there are no more serious frontiers to explore at the moment
The human race has outgrown planet earth and needs to get out of its nursery

Unless you find them something genuinely useful to do in life many people need to find some purpose or meaning to justify their existence

 

[eek.]

The gene pool to the Americas consisted mainly of risk takers and frontiersmen/women who opened up new territories

Now the party is over this gene pool is wondering what the fook to do with itself

 

[tiznow]

That's what Facebook/Twitter etc is for.. People posting shit to scream to the world how important and cool their lives are lol.. Shit cracks me up..

Humans generally speaking just continuously lie themselves about some meaning to their existence and/or heavily medicate themselves to get by (drug abuse, alcohol, painkiller use etc)

 

[PatsFan1283]

Any good?

Saw it on netflix. Heard it is decent but no real new info. Just stuff we mostly know.

 

[tiznow]

Read its vegan absolutism so not gonna bother.. Absolutism why nothing changes people cling to their lefty/righty beliefs with all their might and don't budge..

take egg production big push now to go "free range" like McDonald's saying they will eventually.. (they will push the envelope on the definition I'm sure)..

From a sustainability/environmental/greenhouse gas standpoint caged likely better.. That said I personally eat pasture raised as studies shown they much healthier than caged.. And they taste a lot better too!.. Just really complicated stuff that absolutism isn't gonna solve

in the end like i said many times before it all boils down to one simple problem.. There are too many humans on the planet to live comfortably and not screw up the planet one way or the other..

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[h=1]Ethical farming dilemma: should we be helping the chicken or fixing the egg?[/h]California's egg-laying hens will soon have more room. A state law, which takes effect 1 January, requires egg-laying hens only be confined in ways that allow them to lie down, stand up, fully extend their limbs and turn around freely.
A similar federal bill – which was backed by both the United Egg Producers trade association and animal rights group The Humane Society of the United States, but criticized for not pushing cage-free systems – failed to make it into the 2014 Farm Bill.
While getting more room may be a victory for California chickens, it won't clear up any confusion over what constitutes a sustainable egg.
Read between the lines of a recent study by the Egg Industry Center that touts the emissions reductions in egg production over the past 50 years and you'll find a classic environmental conundrum: what's best for the environment may not be best for the bird. Similarly, what's best for poultry may not be ideal for people.
The report, published in the journal Poultry Science, shows that while egg production has increased since 1960, the industry today releases 71% fewer greenhouse gases. The study's authors point to effective manure management and improved feed efficiency (the ability of hens to convert food into eggs) as the primary drivers of the improvement, both of which are hallmarks of caged egg production systems.
"There are a lot of misconceptions around free-range," says Frank Mitloehner, a professor and air quality expert at the University of California at Davis who studies the impact of animal food products on the environment.
The case for the cage
While the general public perception of cage-free or free-range eggs is that they are laid by chickens frolicking in a sunny meadow, the reality is different.
"What is happening in the free-range system is that you have no cages, but there's not a dramatic amount of more space available," Mitloehner says. "You still have barns that the animals are in, so they run around freely but are still in a tight area that is artificially ventilated."
Cages were originally used because they made it easier to extract eggs – the eggs roll down a hill to a collection area, never coming into contact with manure – and also to remove manure, which typically falls through the cage bottom onto a conveyor belt, where it is removed three times a day, Mitloehner says.
The disadvantage of the cage system is that the birds are more cramped, with less space to move, he says. But that lack of space translates to efficiency in the Egg Industry Center report. Because the hens aren't moving, they're not exerting energy on much other than producing eggs.
Complexities of 'cage-free'
Meanwhile, the disadvantage of the cage-free system is that manure stays in the barn and can build up, Mitloehner says.
"Animals have a natural drive to work their way through manure to find worms, insects and so on, and they do eat manure as well," he said. "So that's a big problem with respect to food safety and animal safety because animals in that system are now in contact with their manure. If one bird has salmonella, all of the other birds get sick too. Also, anywhere from 10% to 20% of the eggs are soiled because they're laid on that dirt floor."
From a health perspective, Mitloehner says, cage-free systems also pose the greater risk to people working in egg production.
"I'm looking primarily at air pollutants and I've found that in those systems with manure inside that is not being taken out frequently, manure that builds up causes large amounts of dust particles and those particles contain pathogens and toxins that people and animals then inhale."
Cage-free systems in which barns house tens of thousands of hens together also can raise stress for chickens, which naturally collect in flocks of about a dozen. It's similar to putting a cow in a concentrated animal farming operation, in which many cattle are packed into a tight space.
"They cannot establish a pecking order the way they would in a normal-size flock, but it's an instinct so the animal still tries to do this, and that results in a high incidence of cannibalism in cage-free systems, as well as higher incidence of bone breakage," Mitloehner says.
What about pasture-raised chickens?
To address both air quality and animal safety concerns, some experts tout pasture-raised chickens – and eggs – as the way to go. The idea, adopted by some organic farms, is a model in which various animals – such as cattle and chickens, for example – rotate through the same piece of land.
"For the overall benefit of land, chickens and people, we should look to systems of pastured poultry where egg production is part of a greater system of food production," says Douglas R. Fox, professor and director of the Center for Sustainability and Global Change at Unity College in Unity, Maine. "I have seen several 'high tunnel' systems [systems in which chickens graze on pasture while enclosed in large tunnels similar to greenhouses] where chickens graze throughout the winter."
According to Mitloehner, however, such examples are few and far between. "It's an absolutely miniscule percentage of the operations in both the US and Europe," he says.
The reason is two-fold: First, the hens themselves don't necessarily want to be in an open pasture. "You'd be surprised how few will venture out onto pasture if they have access," Mitloehner says.
Second, ranchers don't want them out in a pasture, where they're open to attacks from birds of prey and coyotes, as well as diseases carried by wild birds. There's also no way to control manure in an open pasture, Mitloehner notes.
"The bottom line is that these systems can be improved, but it's not as easy as just saying let's put animals on pasture," he says. "From a food safety and environmental standpoint, pasture raising is not great."
Nonetheless, it may be worth working to address the challenges of pasture raising. In addition to the feel-good benefits of thinking about egg-producing hens clucking about a meadow rather than cooped up in either a barn or a cage, a 2010 study from Pennsylvania State University found that eggs from pasture-raised hens could also be healthier – with twice as much vitamin E, brain-boosting long-chain omega-3 acids and total omega-3 fatty acids.
Amy Westervelt is an Oakland, California-based freelance reporter who covers the environment, business and health

 

[tiznow]

Always get a hoot outta the anti gun people who just don't get it

school shootings have little to do with the guns themselves but rather is a societal issue in which we need to look in the mirror and ask outselve how we created a society that people will frequently do this.. Fed created inequality a source.. General economic hopelessness.. General corrupt government/corporations In general.. No parents to help mentally ill kids working long hours struggling to just get by.. Or the growing belief that government should help raise their kids .. As we've become a society more dependent on government thinking they should help
solve our problems.. Anyway I could rant on and on.. Just always pisses me off that the discussion over this stuff is always what the government can do and gun grabbers when that isn't the source of the problem... Plus in inner cities this a "normal" nightly affair (economic hopelessness the highest)...

as usual people/society just lieing to themselves and sticking heads in sand thinking government and restricting guns is gonna solve our problems.. Much easier to stomach rather than realizing American society has some major major issues that nobody including our leaders such as Obama are willing to discuss..

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Obama vents fury, impatience after new gun massacre - CNNPolitics.com

Washington (CNN)Powerless to act after yet another mass shooting, all the president of the United States could do was vent.

Barack Obama has clasped grieving parents close. His voice has broken as he's read aloud the names of murdered kids. He's wept in the White House briefing room. He's raged at the gun lobby and failed to force Congress to pass new firearms control laws. And he's delivered wake up call after wake up call to the nation, beseeching action.
But yet again, on Thursday, a sad, somber and angry Obama walked before the cameras to bemoan another community traumatized by a mass killing.
Watch: Obama visibly upset after Oregon shootings
This time it was at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, where a gunman went on the rampage earlier in the day and murdered at least 10 people -- before being shot dead by police.
But, as fury flickered across a face shrouded by sad eyes, Obama seemed to be thinking of all the other times -- of his speeches after massacres in Connecticut, Colorado, Arizona, Texas and recently in Charleston, South Carolina. These moments, he's admitted, have been among the most searing experiences of his presidency.
Oregon college shooting shatters 'peaceful' enclave
"Somehow this has become routine. The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine, the conversation in the aftermath of it ... We have become numb to this," he complained.
Obama's remarks before hushed reporters was more than another emotional expression of impatience with a political system he believes has failed to permit even modest changes to gun laws, such as a ban on assault weapons or enhanced background checks. It was a cry of frustration at the nation itself and his failure to overcome the treacherous politics and well-worn arguments that surround Second Amendment issues.

How Obama responds to shooting attacks 02:36



He furiously predicted pro-gun organizations would crank out a press release calling for fewer gun control laws in the wake of the latest tragedy -- as he delivered what CBS News Correspondent Mark Knoller, the unofficial chronicler of White House life, says was his 15th address after a mass shooting.
"What is also routine is that somebody, somewhere will comment and say 'Obama politicized this issue.' Well this is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic."
Obama's comments are likely to be condemned by some Republican critics and the pro-gun lobby because they came so quickly after the latest tragedy. It was not initially clear whether the kind of gun control measures that he advocates would have done anything to prevent Thursday's shooting or would have kept a weapon out of the hands of the unidentified assailant.
It's highly unusual for a president to compare his own nation unfavorably to others. But Obama repeatedly does so after shootings -- saying Britain and Australia, for instance, had passed gun control laws to prevent new massacres.
"We are not the only country on Earth that has people with mental illnesses or want to do harm to other people," Obama said.
"We are the only advanced country on Earth that sees these kinds of mass shootings every few months," Obama said, and hammered Congress for even blocking the collection of data on shooting incidents.
"This is a political choice that we make, to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones."
And predicting that it would not be the last time in his presidency that he would have to give such a painful speech, Obama vowed: "Each time this happens, I am going to say we are going to have to do something about it. And we are going to have to change our laws.
He added: "This is not something I can do myself."
But Obama gave no details of a new push to get gun laws and legislation requiring more comprehensive background checks through Congress. And it appears unlikely he will be successful in forging any type of gun legislation before he leaves the White House in January 2017.
Related: Oregon college shooting shakes Washington, 2016 campaign trail
In fact, he admitted there is nothing he can do.
"I would ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws and to save lives, and to let young people grow up. That will require a change of politics on this issue," he said. "If you think this is a problem then you should expect your elected officials to reflect your views."
He went on: "Each time this happens I am going to bring this up."
As he reached the end of his 12-minute statement, Obama's anger and impatience seemed to shift to sadness and resignation.
"May God bless the memories of those who were killed today .... may He give us the strength to come together and find the courage to change."

 

[tiznow]

What happened to the good old days of bad news is good news for stocks?

job report terrible .. Futures spiking down on news..

 

[eek.]

Always get a hoot outta the anti gun people who just don't get it

school shootings have little to do with the guns themselves but rather is a societal issue in which we need to look in the mirror and ask outselve how we created a society that people will frequently do this..

The easy answer is they banned smoking adverts on TV because of televisions influence on the weak minded, particularly if you glorify smoking as dead cool, that is baaaaddd

...but you can watch people shooting the shit out of each other 24/7 on modern TV, or smashing someones head in with a hammer, the general glorification of gratuitous violence for entertainment purposes...

...but no smoking please, smoking is banned because of TVs influence on the weak minded...

I don't watch TV anymore, it's bad for your mental stability

 

[tiznow]

intersting reversal today.. Starting to price in QE resume? Certainly gonna need some QE crack to survive at these levels right?

Rate rise as expected off the table forseeable future.. Yeah we get to live in cheap debt land longer and bubble more .. Weeeee

 

[tiznow]

Always get a hoot outta the anti gun people who just don't get it

school shootings have little to do with the guns themselves but rather is a societal issue in which we need to look in the mirror and ask outselve how we created a society that people will frequently do this..

The easy answer is they banned smoking adverts on TV because of televisions influence on the weak minded, particularly if you glorify smoking as dead cool, that is baaaaddd

...but you can watch people shooting the shit out of each other 24/7 on modern TV, or smashing someones head in with a hammer, the general glorification of gratuitous violence for entertainment purposes...

...but no smoking please, smoking is banned because of TVs influence on the weak minded...

I don't watch TV anymore, it's bad for your mental stability

Almost every one of the male school shootings are loners with mental issues in split families etc .. Mass media in general more than anything glorifies it and gives these mentally sick people an outlet to "be somebody" make a name for themselves feel important etc.. As in their world of shit in their head they are loser nobody's.. Is a societal thing where you have a significant amount of people who feel left out/alone..

yeah glorifying violence in movies on tv/cinema may feed into that.. But if anything violent video games/movies/tvs in many ways are an outlet for potentially deranged sociopaths to take out their frustration so to speak rather than actually doing something..

 

[tiznow]

Bottom line .. The higher the medicated depressed split family mentally ill teenager male population you have ... the higher the risk you have of mass school shootings/mass shootings in general..

highly medicated depressed split family mentally ill teenager males has been on the rise in past decades so number of school shootings has been as well..

its pretty simple..

But all our leaders do is scream and shout about the guns.. Rather than talking about the root of the problem why we have a society that created people willing to do these acts..

hell take the crazy Muslims .. Its same kinda thing different sources.. It's young easily manipulated kids backed into a corner with no hope or future that wanna "do something" so their elders con them into strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up for the "greater good"

 

[snoop]

Any good?

Saw it on netflix. Heard it is decent but no real new info. Just stuff we mostly know.

It's okay. Just like everyone else, they do have an agenda. Fighting big boys is a useless exercise nevertheless.

ZIRP to infinity. WYNN/LVS squeezed hard today. Up 22.84%/10.52% respectively.

And Tizdoom, bad news is still a GOOD news. @)

 

[tiznow]

It's okay. Just like everyone else, they do have an agenda. Fighting big boys is a useless exercise nevertheless.

ZIRP to infinity. WYNN/LVS squeezed hard today. Up 22.84%/10.52% respectively.

And Tizdoom, bad news is still a GOOD news. @)

 

[eek.]

Why is it so hard to accept our meaninless existence for what it is.. Anywho human kind in general just will never make any sense to me I guess..

That's the beautiful thing about it all. WTF are we doing here in the first place???
As a sentient being you get to choose whether your existence has any purpose or meaning... or not.

It's your call. 100%.
Not 99.9% your call. 100% your call.

 

[mickj]

Their $75 hedge will expire in Oct, if they're lucky, they might be able to get $50 - $55 for 2016/17. Most banks lower their forecast for crude/brent way far into 2017. That explains why Credit Suisse threw a hammer at them. They cut DNR to $.99/share.

The entire industry is in free fall.

ty

 

[eek.]

But all our leaders do is scream and shout about the guns.. Rather than talking about the root of the problem

They want to disarm the American people, make them weak, and helpless, and reliant upon the state for personal protection
Obamas motives are very probably "good", he seems a decent man, he just can't see the bigger picture
The great men who drew up the constitution made it obvious from the first draft
Never trust the government guys, trust the people

 

[tiznow]

Ben suddenly starts making public comments and cheerleading ZIRP.. Pure comedy... These guys will do anything to prop things up and status quo protect..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Bernanke has often been called the "right guy, at the right time," because of his extensive study of the Great Depression as well as past financial panics and their effects on the economy.
Facing what he called the "Grand Daddy of all financial panics" in 2008, the former Fed chief said he was concerned the "consequences would be tremendous."
Bernanke appeared on CNBC as part of a promotion tour for his new memoir, "The Courage to Act: A Memoir of a Crisis and Its Aftermath," which went on sale Monday.
On the flipside, he said the best part of being Fed chairman, a job he left last year, was leading the central bank through the turmoil.



He has some balls with that title....

 

[tiznow]

The zirp/qe/heavy gov involvement crap failing everywhere in but central planners keep digging deeper just comical... Err it's doing a great job of making the rich richer.. Creating inequality.. And protecting the status quo.. If that's their goal which it seems it is at this point they are doing a great job..

Japan's 'Abenomics' experiment is on the rocks

October 05
HONG KONG


Three years ago, Shinzo Abe launched a grand experiment designed to jolt Japan's economy out of decades of stagnation.
Now, there's a growing consensus that the prime minister's program is on the rocks.
Known as "Abenomics," it included three so-called arrows: massive monetary stimulus, increased government spending and significant economic reforms.

The plan got off to a roaring start. Once reluctant to engage in unconventional monetary policy, the Bank of Japan embraced Abe's vision and launched a huge bond-buying program. The central government turned on its spending tap. Markets rallied and the yen plummeted against the dollar.
The idea was that as prices rose and businesses profited, they would pass on a bigger share of earnings to workers, who would spend more on goods and services. If it worked, the "virtuous cycle" would deliver sustained economic growth.
The program, however, has faltered. Wage growth is lackluster, and inflation remains far below the central bank's 2% target. Gross domestic product shrank at an annualized pace of 1.2% in the second quarter, and there's evidence that the economy may have fallen back into recession in the third quarter.
"The economic data published since the Bank of Japan's last meeting in mid-September have provided further evidence that the economic recovery has ground to a halt," said Marcel Thieliant of Capital Economics.
Ratings agencies, meanwhile, are increasingly worried about Japan's astronomical government debt, which totals nearly 250% of annual gross domestic product. The latest downgrade came from Standard & Poor's, which warned that Abenomics "will not be able to reverse" the deterioration in Japan's creditworthiness.
Related: IMF warns Japan over its staggering national debt
So why has Abe failed?
One explanation is that his third arrow -- economic reform -- has flown wide of the target. Proposals to allow more immigrants, needed to slow the rapid aging of the population, have gone nowhere. Planned changes to the labor market and tax system have also stalled.
But Abe, and his allies at the Bank of Japan, are not giving up just yet.
The central bank is likely to further expand its stimulus program, either this week or at the end of the month. This is "all but inevitable," according to Thieliant.
The prime minister, who could remain in his post for three more years, has also fired "three new arrows." The measures, however, have been criticized for a lack of detail and ambition. Abe failed to specify how long one arrow -- a pledge to boost nominal GDP by 22% -- would take to materialize.
"This new plan is unlikely to accelerate work to implement reforms and may well add confusion to a... process that many people inside and outside Japan already find frustratingly complex," said Scott Seaman, an analyst at Eurasia Group.
Some economists maintain a rosier view of Abenomics. If you strip out energy prices, inflation numbers look much better, they argue. Per-capita income is keeping pace with other developed economies, and consumption is increasing.
"Japan faces a much less challenging outlook than conventional wisdom holds," said analysts at Barclays.