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The 82 and pre issued pennies contain more than 1 cent worth of copper.

The govt passed a law outlawing melting down pennies for fears of people scalping the copper from pennies.

This same type of thing happened with quarters and dimes from pre 1964 when silver and gold went to the moon after being dirt cheap for decades.

Same thing happened during the Roman empire. Regular citizens along with bankers clipped coins to steal some of the precious metal content.

Compare any of the new coins from older coins and youll notice a huge difference.

Compare the euro coins and they are even more flimsy than us coins.

The faces change but the game stays the same.

EDIT* Well Tiz, looks like Ill be checking every penny I get from this point forward.

Penny saved, is now 2+ pennies earned.

LOL

guessing they'll use steel in pennies and nickels down the road

the pre 1982 pennies will probably be ripped outta circulation and melted down soon...so they will also have some kinda of numistic value as well i'm sure 30-40 years from now

not sure what they'll do about the nickel issue probably will change composition soon....like i said with cost of minting on top of the cost of the metal itself nickels probably costing us 8-9 cents to make maybe more

the chinese and their consumption of nickel for stainless steel have really sent prices through the roof although they have fallen back quite a bit recently....peaked out around 24 now back to 13 for now
 

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GS using the R word for japan too

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Jan. 10 (Bloomberg) -- The risk of a Japanese recession has risen to a ``danger level,'' Tetsufumi Yamakawa, chief Japan economist Goldman Sachs Group said today.

The engine that drove virtually all of Japan's third quarter growth will stall as the U.S. slowdown spills across Asia, cutting demand for Japanese exports, Yamakawa said. Goldman cut its 2008 growth estimate to 1 percent from 1.2 percent and said the central bank may have to forego raising rates this year.

Sluggish spending by consumers has left Japan more dependant on overseas markets, just as cooling U.S. demand threatens to spread to Asia, where Japan sells half its exports. Faltering demand at home and abroad puts the chances of recession at about 50 percent, Yamakawa said in a report to clients today.

``We project weaker-than-expected growth in Japan especially in the first half of 2008 owing to an inevitable, moderate slowdown among emerging economies,'' Yamakawa said.

Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister Hiroko Ota said this week that ``risks to growth are mounting.'' She cited record energy costs that have cut corporate profits, weakened household sentiment, and the collapse in the construction industry as a risk for growth this year.

The worst slump in housing starts in forty years shaved 1 percentage point from Japan's 1.5 percent growth in the third quarter.

``The greatest challenge for the Japanese economy, needless to say, is a recovery in personal consumption, which has remained in an extended slump,'' Goldman's Yamakawa said. ``Innumerable obstacles stand in the way.''

Falling Wages

Falling wages, which have dropped about 10 percent in the last decade, and rising food and energy prices have sent consumer confidence to a near four-year low. Paychecks are unlikely to rise this year as rising oil prices crimp profits.

With domestic consumption flat, the economy is more dependent on foreign demand. Exports contributed almost of Japan's growth in the third quarter, as demand from Asia helped make up for slowing orders from the U.S.

The risk is that demand from Asia will also dry up.

``A U.S. slowdown affects Asia, beginning with China, and via that route it affects Japan,'' Ota said this week. ``The extent to which Japan is hurt depends on the severity of the U.S. slowdown.''
 

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January 9, 2008 -- Bloomberg: Gold futures in China increased as much as 10 percent on their first day of trading today on demand from local investors seeking to buy the metal on margin, Zhu Bin, head of research at Nanhua Futures Co., said by phone from Hangzhou. The start of Shanghai trading was "the biggest event in the gold market since the launch of the gold exchange-traded funds over the past few years,'' John Reade, an analyst at UBS AG in London, wrote in a report. Bullion for immediate delivery climbed as much as $13.54, or 1.5 percent, to a record $891.70 an ounce, and traded at $886.90 as of 9:34 a.m. in London. "Gold is going to be a great investment in 2008,'' Greg Smith, managing director of investment adviser Fat Prophets U.K. Ltd., said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in London. "The $1,000 an ounce is certainly in view now.''

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Good luck with your GS trade Joe.


That is VERY nice to read Woof...Not that you haven't said it 10K times already......I'll be watching GS pretty intensely the next few weeks...Probably won't hold if we bounce over much over 200..and will sell half my position if I can get 179-80...we shall see...this is a nice size "play" for me
 

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Fwiw one of my 2008 wishes is that Hitman26 shorts a stock, posts it in this thread, and makes money from the trade.

Let's see if I can find a trade this morning.

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If market can sell off again I have a tiger by the tail this morning.

Market rallied big off the morning lows so far and bidu is LOWER from the morning.

335 and counting...maybe get another day like yesterday 10+
 

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nice job DAW

oil getting smacked around even though dollar getting trashed

down to 93
 

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Sitting at 333 and I still have the position.

should get very volatile right after head heeb bernanke starts talking at 1pm.

Its been as low as 329 and if it takes out that low Im going to use a stop limit at 330 to lock in $10 per share profit.

Will walk the stop down from there if it keeps falling through the afternoon.
 

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much needed healthy correction for oil

key TA number there is 89 - if it breaks that, and it should, support at 77

personally would love to see it down in the 60's., and it would not be there for long. just long enough for me to "back up the truck":howdy:
 

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Sitting at 333 and I still have the position.

should get very volatile right after head heeb bernanke starts talking at 1pm.

Its been as low as 329 and if it takes out that low Im going to use a stop limit at 330 to lock in $10 per share profit.

no reason to have a short leash right about now

this is one way street at this point just gonna be some noise in between

retailer numbers for dec came out today, consumer is pretty much dead already...
 

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much needed healthy correction for oil

key TA number there is 89 - if it breaks that, and it should, support at 77

personally would love to see it down in the 60's., and it would not be there for long. just long enough for me to "back up the truck":howdy:

bottom line IMO you ain't gonna see 120 oil in 2008 with the us heading for recession
 

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nothing goes straight up or down for too long and no indicator works for too long before people notice and the boat flips over.

oil, gold, tech, banks, dollar....

people were lulled to sleep with these one way trades for extended periods.

we finally started getting some volatility in overall stock market last year after being nearly exclusively up for 4 years.

and that one way trade was mostly a result of the govt chopping down the national forests after a complete nasdaq wipeout (down 80% from spring 00 to fall 02).

this is going to be the year the precious metals catch up with the other commodities like industrial metals, energy, and aggies.
 

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COF has alot of mortgage crappola on the books

what's in your wallet

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Capital One Cuts 2007 Earnings Forecast
Thursday January 10, 10:08 am ET
By Ieva M. Augstums, AP Business Writer
Capital One Cuts 2007 Earnings Forecast, Adding to Credit Worries, Shares Slide

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Capital One Financial Corp. said Thursday that its 2007 earnings will fall short of its previous expectations because of increased loan delinquencies and additional legal reserves in the fourth quarter.
 

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nothing goes straight up or down for too long and no indicator works for too long before people notice and the boat flips over.

oil, gold, tech, banks, dollar....

people were lulled to sleep with these one way trades for extended periods.

we finally started getting some volatility in overall stock market last year after being nearly exclusively up for 4 years.

and that one way trade was mostly a result of the govt chopping down the national forests after a complete nasdaq wipeout (down 80% from spring 00 to fall 02).

this is going to be the year the precious metals catch up with the other commodities like industrial metals, energy, and aggies.

i know mainly just talking smack to the oil gonna be 120 in 2008 crowd....

that said my statement of no oil 120 in my lifetime was probably a bit overboard but....:lol:

you know things are looking bad when bears are bickering amongst themselves....bulls where are you? basey, willie, need some bull blood over in these parts give us some reason why everything is gonna be just fine....could use some bush boom posts for a laugh
 

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bottom line IMO you ain't gonna see 120 oil in 2008 with the us heading for recession

you may be right - especially if it is severe

however, check what oil (and PM's) did in the 70's during 2 recessions and with stagflation throughout much of the decade. Also 90-91 ,the last deep recession. There is recent precedence, we don't just pull this stuff out of out our ass.

"history may not repeat but it sure does rhyme" - Twain
 

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ok ive heard ben bernanke name and that we arent going into recession for the five thousandth time this morning and cant take it anymore.

just changed the channel to music station and going to take a long overdue morning crap with my morning tea and newspaper.

if something big erupts please post it in this thread for ill have no other way of knowing since I also turned off the phone before 10am after a half dozen calls came right after market opened lower.
 

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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080110/oil_prices.html

nother sign of the R word, demand down 3 weeks running now

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Demand for crude oil and petroleum products, meanwhile, fell last week for the third week in a row, according to the Energy Information Administration.

"Without U.S. demand and without stronger economic growth, crude oil can't stay in the $90s," said James Cordier, president of Liberty Trading Group in Tampa, Fla.
 

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