SEC non-conference slates are an absolute joke!

[Flsunman]

BLAH BLAH BLAH... Who hasn't already heard all that?
What the fuck good is it if they never prove it on a national level on the playing field?


PS... since facts are facts today, the fact is that USC placed 2x as many players in the NFL as any SEC team, Oregon State placed more than any SEC team and so did Oregon. 3 Pac-10 teams placed more players in the NFL than any SEC team. Since that seems to count in your thinkng I thought I'd point that out.

Um, the SEC is undefeated in BCS championship games and something like 14-5 in BCS games overall. Last time I checked I believe those games were actually played live on a real field!! :think2: And correct me if I'm wrong, but if those games are real and not make believe, doesn't that prove it on the field?

Also, I can only assume you last comment is based on this year. Well let's not continue to let the facts get in our way... USC and Oregon State had wayyyy more entries into the draft. Your argument is like saying "Manning had 6 more completions and 95 more yards... I guess he did have 15 more attempts than Brady though." DOH!hno:

Face it man, the Pac-10 is irrelevant... The SEC is the best thing going, ESPN agrees!!

 

[Conan]

I always am amused at these pac 10 vs sec threads

I happen to probably be in the minority but I usually have them 1 and 2 every year, without a doubt the best conferences

Im a Gator fan yet respect the PAC 10

But your bold statement is telling

are you saying USC beats UF on a neutral field this year?

Yes I do. But one thing I look forward to regardless of the outcome, right or wrong is that I think Florida may be one of the few teams that can give the Trojans a game.

PS... just to let you know where I'm coming from, I have been harping on this issue for years it seems and very few SEC homers are willing to admit there's anything wrong at all. IF anything, that elevates my "mood." I don't think much of anyone who ducks competition for any reason... especially from a sportsmanship perspective. Yet this discussion continues to degrade itself into a "look how great the SEC is" melee vs the Pac-10 every time. Very few SEC people are even willing to discuss scheduling without bringing up all these lame excuses about their conference schedules, that by the way are extremely overstated if you look at real schedules, and they like to talk of working the system... or what have you. This so called "system" they've managed to develop has resulted in a lower quality game and that's not good for the sport or its fans.

 

[Romanowski]

First off I dont agree with you. UF is two deep on defense from a team that won it last year. I dont think USC could beat them, this year.

Although I do think 2004 USC is better then Texas 2005, but whatever.

I like the BCS, and maybe thats because UF has managed two national championships in the BCS era.

Why isnt beating the best of other conferences in the bowl season enough? SEC teams have virtually owned everybody but USC.

And lets be fair USC has come close (2006 Arkansas or 2005 Auburn possibly) but never beaten the cream of the SEC.

Id love to see it, I was calling for it last year. I dont buy that USC is down much this year, we will see. Still one of the best 3 O Lines and best group of receivers in the country. I think they beat Ohio St, maybe have a tough time at Autzen. Theres no reason to think Carrol wont have them ready though. They should win he PAC 10 again. So I dont fall into the school who thinks they are way down. That said UF is sick this year cmon. Do you not respect the Gators this year?

Anyways I welcome a game with USC in Pasadena or any other BCS bowl

Back to the argument against the system, that you says unfairly rewards the SEC

were things better before?

in Jan. 1997 we had a FSU/UF rematch in the sugar, 1 vs 3

and Arizona State vs Ohio St in the Rose 2 vs 4

I think the only plausible thing to do would be +1, in which case last year USC vs UF after the bowls

a playoff isnt happening imo

kids got to enjoy their xmas vacation some

the one and only time USC has played UF

1982 and Wilbur Marshall became a household name with how many sacks?

 

[Flsunman]

Yes I do. But one thing I look forward to regardless of the outcome, right or wrong is that I think Florida may be one of the few teams that can give the Trojans a game.

PS... just to let you know where I'm coming from, I have been harping on this issue for years it seems and very few SEC homers are willing to admit there's anything wrong at all. IF anything, that elevates my "mood." I don't think much of anyone who ducks competition for any reason... especially from a sportsmanship perspective. Yet this discussion continues to degrade itself into a "look how great the SEC is" melee vs the Pac-10 every time. Very few SEC people are even willing to discuss scheduling without bringing up all these lame excuses about their conference schedules, that by the way are extremely overstated if you look at real schedules, and they like to talk of working the system... or what have you. This so called "system" they've managed to develop has resulted in a lower quality game and that's not good for the sport or its fans.

Then why did UF have a tougher schedule and play more ranked teams than SC? I think the Pac-1 just needs to get better, plain and simple.

 

[Romanowski]

the one and only time USC has played UF

1982 and Wilbur Marshall became a household name with how many sacks?

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[Flsunman]

First off I dont agree with you. UF is two deep on defense from a team that won it last year. I dont think USC could beat them, this year.

Although I do think 2004 USC is better then Texas 2005, but whatever.

I like the BCS, and maybe thats because UF has managed two national championships in the BCS era.

Why isnt beating the best of other conferences in the bowl season enough? SEC teams have virtually owned everybody but USC.

And lets be fair USC has come close (2006 Arkansas or 2005 Auburn possibly) but never beaten the cream of the SEC.

Id love to see it, I was calling for it last year. I dont buy that USC is down much this year, we will see. Still one of the best 3 O Lines and best group of receivers in the country. I think they beat Ohio St, maybe have a tough time at Autzen. Theres no reason to think Carrol wont have them ready though. They should win he PAC 10 again. So I dont fall into the school who thinks they are way down. That said UF is sick this year cmon. Do you not respect the Gators this year?

Anyways I welcome a game with USC in Pasadena or any other BCS bowl

Back to the argument against the system, that you says unfairly rewards the SEC

were things better before?

in Jan. 1997 we had a FSU/UF rematch in the sugar, 1 vs 3

and Arizona State vs Ohio St in the Rose 2 vs 4

I think the only plausible thing to do would be +1, in which case last year USC vs UF after the bowls

a playoff isnt happening imo

kids got to enjoy their xmas vacation some

the one and only time USC has played UF

1982 and Wilbur Marshall became a household name with how many sacks?

Usc's o-line is all fluff. Our d-line would play on the other side of the LOS all day. USC receivers don't scare me either, Damian Williams wasn't great at Arky and is now maybe the best receiver in the Pac-1.

I also find this VERY amusing... Nyan Boetang couldn't see the field at UF yet he was Cal's best receiver last year and maybe a top 4 or 5 receiver this year in the Pac-1.

All that is very telling to me.

 

[EatTheChalk]

Very few SEC people are even willing to discuss scheduling without bringing up all these lame excuses about their conference schedules, that by the way are extremely overstated if you look at real schedules, and they like to talk of working the system... or what have you. This so called "system" they've managed to develop has resulted in a lower quality game and that's not good for the sport or its fans.

I have no problem discussing scheduling. What did you think about the amount of ranked teams that PAC 10 teams will be facing this year vs. the amount that SEC teams will be facing? Is there some measurable that would indicate that the PAC 10 teams are facing a more challenging schedule?

I'm not saying you don't have a point with regard to scheduling just that you haven't shown us anything tangible...those on your side of the argument tends to leave out facts. For instance, the writer mentioned (in the start of this post) only identified the bottom of the barrel. But really, what does it matter if you're playing the 50th ranked team or the 100th ranked team (for the elite teams in any conference)? If you look at the top end of the competition face, the edge seems to lie with the SEC...if you disagree, give us some examples as to why.

-ETC

 

[Flsunman]

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LOL... I love it! An oldie but goody!:cripwalk:

 

[Romanowski]

Usc's o-line is all fluff. Our d-line would play on the other side of the LOS all day. USC receivers don't scare me either, Damian Williams wasn't great at Arky and is now maybe the best receiver in the Pac-1.

I agree, I dont think their O Line is fluff but UF got pressure vs Bama and OU with zero blitz all game. Dunlap is gonna be better this year which is scary.

He is Julius Peppers freakish, 6'6" 290

 

[Flsunman]

Conan...

So... what is it? Were all those BCS wins and Championships played on PS2? Were they simulated by Mista Flava? Man, I guess I see why you stopped posting in this thread although I'm not sure I even would of started. @)

 

[Conan]

I have no problem discussing scheduling. What did you think about the amount of ranked teams that PAC 10 teams will be facing this year vs. the amount that SEC teams will be facing? Is there some measurable that would indicate that the PAC 10 teams are facing a more challenging schedule?

I'm not saying you don't have a point with regard to scheduling just that you haven't shown us anything tangible...those on your side of the argument tends to leave out facts. For instance, the writer mentioned (in the start of this post) only identified the bottom of the barrel. But really, what does it matter if you're playing the 50th ranked team or the 100th ranked team (for the elite teams in any conference)? If you look at the top end of the competition face, the edge seems to lie with the SEC...if you disagree, give us some examples as to why.

-ETC

Sorry ETC but I have posted facts and figures about this ad nauseum. I don't really feel like rehashing it again. Unless you are just trying to undermine my position without regard for information that already exists, everything you ask for has been posted and is there for the searching. Use the search tab at the top of this page and type SEC in the content window and Conan as the user. (advanced search options -- you can also specify to do the search in the college football forum to save time)

I'm really not interested in reading anymore SEC cheerleading but I'd like to hear opinions about what a conference (like the SEC) can do about it's cupcake scheduling outside of the conference. It's degrading to see a conference bring down the CFB game for any reason, especially one that boasts championship teams who routinely duck opposition... (e.g. Georgia recently passed on a UCLA home/home opportunity only a month or 2 ago... so I know this is deliberately ducking certain opposition, not just for convenience sake or for a better way to make money. It is passing up a chance to put on a good game to limit their risk of losing, in other words, cowardice.)

 

[Conan]

To add to that final statement...

I would hope to see SEC fans see the truth in it and be up in arms against the responsible parties for what it's doing to their reputations. But instead I hear all sorts of excuses trying to defend the indefensible and attempts to hijack the topic and turn it into an SEC cheerleading thread or even more ridiculous than that, trying to put down the Pac-10 who's reputation for putting on good inter-conference games goes back a long time, way before the SEC even existed as it does now and before there was such a thing as the BCS.

 

[GoSooners]

you may be right, but alas it was the Sooners who took the ass beating as they seem to have done that a lot in recent bowls? just sayin

Hey CP... win or lose, watching my team in a a bowl game at least beats sitting out on your front porch.



Please keep it civil. Thank you, wilheim

 

[Conan]

LOL... I love it! An oldie but goody!:cripwalk:

So what's stopping you from scheduling a non-conf game vs the Trojans again? You used to do it and you quit, nothing for at least 20 years. Why? Has USC become too big for you to take on since then? You don't need to wait for a NC game to play them. They take on anyone who wants to play. What happened to you? Why all the OOC cupcakes?

Can you make this about scheduling like the topic says, or do you want to hijack this thread and turn it into a bunch more SEC cheerleading BS? Seems like you have no answers that contribute to this discussion. You are doing no one any favors except maybe providing a way out of answering up to the heat because you know there are no good answers. The SEC's OOC schedules are indefensible.

 

[Romanowski]

Conan youre saying everybody is getting off topic but the root of this argument is this

SEC is overrated in some peoples eyes, and the OOC schedule is just the piece presented here

but if anyone disagrees we are just homers or hijackers?

I think the SEC can be #1 and be overrated, by some

and all this hate towards different conferences is exactly what makes college foots great

 

[Romanowski]

this might help the discussion

although of course there are exceptions and schools recruit all over the country

but just how rich are florida, texas, louisiana and california in football talent

http://www.usafootball.com/articles/displayArticle/6332/6395

as of NFL rosters a few weeks after opening day last year, 2008

by state

1. California
2. Florida
3. Texas

by metro area

1. Miami (not including Ft Lauderdale)
2. Houston

the top individual high school's are tied for first

Dillard in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., and Tustin in Tustin, Calif.

top the list with the most 2008 NFL players with six each.

 

[Conan]

I have no problem discussing scheduling. What did you think about the amount of ranked teams that PAC 10 teams will be facing this year vs. the amount that SEC teams will be facing? Is there some measurable that would indicate that the PAC 10 teams are facing a more challenging schedule?

I'm not saying you don't have a point with regard to scheduling just that you haven't shown us anything tangible...those on your side of the argument tends to leave out facts. For instance, the writer mentioned (in the start of this post) only identified the bottom of the barrel. But really, what does it matter if you're playing the 50th ranked team or the 100th ranked team (for the elite teams in any conference)? If you look at the top end of the competition face, the edge seems to lie with the SEC...if you disagree, give us some examples as to why.

-ETC

ETC, also, check the title of this topic. It's about non-conference schedules not about the tangents you attempt to use to hijack the thread for your own agenda's sake.

If all you want to discuss is SOS, there are resources for that which include every team in CFB. That is a different matter that you are free to bring up in a different thread. Try using some better nettiquette and let people discuss the topics they choose as you are given the same opportunities to post threads with topics that suit you. Most of these assholes that throw these off the wall comments are posters who deserve little or no credit for their "so-called" contributions and who few people give any credit to.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Hey CP... win or lose, watching my team in a a bowl game at least beats sitting out on your front porch with the other Tennessee hillbillies in January with nothing to do but smoke your corncob crack pipe and drinking your xxx moonshine.

grow up, it wasnt personal - just stated a fact - Oaklahoma has been blown it in blows a lot lately, is that not true? So who knows how Auburn would have fared?

 

[ChrisParadise]

So what's stopping you from scheduling a non-conf game vs the Trojans again? You used to do it and you quit, nothing for at least 20 years. Why? Has USC become too big for you to take on since then? You don't need to wait for a NC game to play them. They take on anyone who wants to play. What happened to you? Why all the OOC cupcakes?

Can you make this about scheduling like the topic says, or do you want to hijack this thread and turn it into a bunch more SEC cheerleading BS? Seems like you have no answers that contribute to this discussion. You are doing no one any favors except maybe providing a way out of answering up to the heat because you know there are no good answers. The SEC's OOC schedules are indefensible.

so let me get this right. USC has a 12 game sched. 9 in conference, 1 notre dame, then 2 free for all. somehow the rest of the 200 teams in the nation are 'fraidy cats' if they dont work out a way to fill in those 2 games vs USC?

not only that, but in the SEC schedules are made 20 yrs in advance and 10/20 yrs ago Florida would have been laughed at for scheduling a cupcake had they put USC on there. when TN scheduled Cal it was planned as a cupcake game no doubt about it but now you say thats how teams should schedule? i dont get it? we all have crystal balls to see who will be relevant nationally 10-15 yrs from now?

 

[UoweDucks]

so let me get this right. USC has a 12 game sched. 9 in conference, 1 notre dame, then 2 free for all. somehow the rest of the 200 teams in the nation are 'fraidy cats' if they dont work out a way to fill in those 2 games vs USC?

not only that, but in the SEC schedules are made 20 yrs in advance and 10/20 yrs ago Florida would have been laughed at for scheduling a cupcake had they put USC on there. when TN scheduled Cal it was planned as a cupcake game no doubt about it but now you say thats how teams should schedule? i dont get it? we all have crystal balls to see who will be relevant nationally 10-15 yrs from now?

On what planet are you from. 15 - 20 yrs out? Try 5-8 yrs