Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

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Going from 7.50 to $9-10 or whatever in big cities is fine but $15 is way too high. Throws the entire labor market out of whack.

The problem with raising it is once you do that, how do you go back if it fails? If you wanna raise it then have it be $9 to 10 to 10.50, etc...To just go from 9 to 15 is way too big of a leap.

What NY is trying to do by raising it in only 1 industry is even more bizarre.

The AI might fix this issue very quickly.

You can't speak logically to these people. They think government can solve everything and there's no other logical solution. Of course going from $7.50 to $15/hour is going to fuck up the labor market...inflation...and force a lot of businesses to close, raise prices, lay off employees, etc. But who cares? Some 18 year old Democrat is going to keep voting Democrat his whole life!
 

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“It’s what happens when the government imposes a restriction on the labor market that normally wouldn’t be there.

Doubletalk!

Who imposed minimum @ $7.25? Da Government so why not impose on the imposers the same?? Impostors :ohno:

Exception of course is having a College Degree.

You have a job at a Security Company and are paid $10 an hour and Joe has exact same title with same duties but works for Local Government and is paid $21 an hour with Healthcare provided.

My City was given a State Grant to pave Main St. in 2011 to start an upgrade downtown to include a few demolitions and the paving was done 2 weeks ago with demo starting soon. Duh...
 

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Haha classic.

And they can't even put the condiments you requested in the bag half the time.

As for thr $15 per hour, big chains can afford it & never see a change in profit.

The point is, again, that those types of workers simply don't deserve it...
 

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it's also mindbogglingly that political douche-bags have no clue about things that cause both unemployment AND inflation, yet they manage to obtain positions of authority

I think a lot of them do know. They just don't care. They are gonna make the moves that get them elected. They are me 1st. They don't give a shit about the consequences or end game.
 

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I believe it is $15 an hour eventually

2015 $10
2016 $11
2017 $12
2018 $13
2019 $15

^^^ Maybe ^^^
 

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It's possible an area like Seattle or SF could weather this fine but to make it the law of an entire state for 1 specific industry is 1 of the most bizarre state policies I've seen.

$15 for ONLY fast food workers throughout the entire state. When you go upstate like Buffalo, Syracuse, Utica. The median wage in those areas probably isn't even much higher than that.
 

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I believe it is $15 an hour eventually

2015 $10
2016 $11
2017 $12
2018 $13
2019 $15

^^^ Maybe ^^^

Yeah NY isn't going full state until 2021, NYC/Seattle/SF around 2018, etc

That is still a 50% increase in just a few years though. Not really allowing for any trial and error. Once you announce something like that it may be a lot tougher to go back than other labor laws.
 

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peter schiff has talked a lot of this 15 min wage and brought up a ton of great points about how places will close, or workers will get replaced by robots or prices will rise offsetting their increase in wages, but he never thought about these same workers taking on less hours to stay on welfare of food stamps. this is only going to cause more problems for the system as a whole. the politicians are the ones to blame, they just wanna raise everyone's paycheck but they dont think for a second what the consequences are....they are destroying this country so fast its not funny
 

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Seattle was followed by San Francisco and Los Angeles in passing a $15 minimum wage law. The wage is being phased in over several years to give businesses time to adjust. The current minimum wage in Seattle is $11. In San Francisco, it’s $12.25.

Owner's of any business saying this Hike phased in over years will/could close their business are really saying that their wallets will have less and have more today for themselves because they didn't share past profits with those who helped built what is in their account now unless the profits money is in hiding or being sent wherever......

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Let’s try all kinds of things, like celebrating employers that successfully upgrade the skills of their low-wage workers and not just the Googles of the world, which hire only the high-skilled and expect to get patted on the back for it. But let’s not lock millions of people out of entry-level employment by raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
 

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Seattle was followed by San Francisco and Los Angeles in passing a $15 minimum wage law. The wage is being phased in over several years to give businesses time to adjust. The current minimum wage in Seattle is $11. In San Francisco, it’s $12.25.

Owner's of any business saying this Hike phased in over years will/could close their business are really saying that their wallets will have less and have more today for themselves because they didn't share past profits with those who helped built what is in their account now unless the profits money is in hiding or being sent wherever......

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That's a pretty big assumption that all businesses make money. Of course it will hurt small/medium size businesses.
 

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That's a pretty big assumption that all businesses make money. Of course it will hurt small/medium size businesses.

No shit. He acts like every business is just raking in cash and stock piling it. There are many, many businesses that bring in total revenues of under $250-500K before a single dime is paid out in salary, rent, utilities, taxes, etc. If a company that has total revenues of $300K (before any expenses) has to shell out an extra $6/hour per employee (say 40 hours x $6/hour = $240/week x 52 weeks = $12,500 extra salary per employee). With the extra salary, the payroll taxes go up as well (more employer contribution to Social Security tax and income tax). If that business employs just 4 employees that's an extra $50K+.... So skoda thinks it's cool that the employer is out an extra 1/6th of his total take on the year (on top of what ever else he's paying out)?
 

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Fair and Coach

I realize what your saying big winners will always be Government workers! Tax Dollars pay their salaries and Health plus-plus-plus.......

Remember it's not $15 an hour today it is being phased in over next 4/5 years. It's a double edge sword. Fact 47% of Americans do not pay income tax however that is avoided is mentioned in article I read both Legally and Illegally. Everyone is responsible for themselves.

I agree with whoever said these Fast Food jobs are for kids spending money not for an Adults survival, PT as xtra income for anyone that wants/needs sure but not as an only income? One local McDonalds franchise owner had a groundbreaking photo in local paper for their 4th/5th store? This person is apparently doing well so I ask myself if minimum was $10 an hour the past 5 yrs would they be groundbreaking or would they have been sharing profits? Win-Win or Win-Lose.

Another example I know of is a Pay Issue which was sent to "Alert" in Fresno California @ IRS on an Owner of 2 Gas Stations who just opened a 3rd
and didn't hire anyone unless they would work for CASH, $7.25 an hour! This Business (s) has expenses, but not all most others have....... Spot inspections by IRS on all business could "Alert" (no pun intended) the IRS office of Alert.....

Really messed up . Good Luck I owe-I owe off to work I go...... I'm working for a company that pays you an hourly rate based on production! You want more you work and not have social hour on the clock you don't produce what they ask for you're gone. 10-12 hour shifts paid lunch! Maybe our Government should impose on themselves an start by eliminating UNIONS not Private but PUBLIC UNIONS instead of having 3 secretaries in one office or 6 people working on a road crew patching a pot-hole with 2 sitting in truck........ You all I'm sure scratch your head and wonder when you see this.






Pay scale over the next few years, $15 an hour is not today

2016 $11
2017 $12
2018 $13
2019 $15
 

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BRODHEADSVILLE — If you work at McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, or any other of the dozens of fast food joints in New York, your paycheck may get super-sized to $15 dollars an hour. It’s a pay raise that has people in New York and in the Poconos divided.



Workers at fast food chains in Brodheadsville flip burgers and cook French fries for around $7.25 an hour, but that same job in New York state may soon come with a super-sized paycheck

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After protests across New York for higher wages in the fast food industry, a state wage board has now proposed nearly doubling the hourly rate for fast food workers to $15 an hour, helping about 200,000 workers.


But not everyone is “lovin’ it.”


“That ain’t going to work. If they got to pay the people more, we’re going to have to pay more,” said Earl Meckes of Kunkletown.



Just like in Pennsylvania, folks on their way to work in the Big Apple say New Yorkers are divided on a minimum wage hike.


“It’s a lot of controversy on both sides. There’s a great understanding that it’s difficult to maintain a lifestyle on the salaries that are offered right now,” said DeeDee Headings of New York City.



Some people argue it’s unfair to force only one industry to raise the minimum wage from where it is now at $8.75, but for registered nurse Shelley Simms, the answer is simple.


“I think they should make more money because the cost of living is very expensive these days and wherever you go, clothing, food, whatever it may be, it’s very expensive,” Simms said.



New York State’s labor commissioner has yet to approve the wage hike. If passed, the governor’s plan is to gradually increase wages for fast food workers both in New York City and Upstate.


In 2014, The New York State’s labor commissioner was paid an estimated $127,000 according to the Council of State Governments.[SUP][7][/SUP]


Math says... Based on a 40 hour week x's 51 weeks with his weeks vacation probably paid is 2040 hours a year divided into 127,000 is are you ready............ He is paid $62.25 an hour! The media should be reporting on $62.25 not $15 an hour! I know, he deserves....


Right now this commissioner makes in 1.5 hours what the minimum wage worker makes in 8 hours Slapping-silly90))
 

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I dont know, i think the move to 15 dollar an hour for fast food workers is just going to increase everone elses wages. As far as inflation goes, We have already been getting hit by inflation...its time salaries meet thise increases.

Just my opinion.
 

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They can call it fast food only but there is enough fast food jobs to basically control wage scale for all industries in the service sector .
If I was a high school student looking for a job and Burger King is paying 15 and the drug store is paying 10 who would ever work at the drug store ?

This is going to force the drug store to pay 15.

Either that or the service at places like drug stores and target etc.. Is going to go to complete shit because these places will now hire the dregs of society that could not get a 15 fast food job.

So either they will all pay 15 or you will have a reversal of service.

The fast food industry will have great service and the other retail industries will go to shit service wise.

I think in the end all the low end jobs will pay the same.
 

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If youre a Five Guys, seems like the play would be to throw a few TVs in there, waitresses and maybe some karaoke and say we're not fast food.
 

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They can call it fast food only but there is enough fast food jobs to basically control wage scale for all industries in the service sector .
If I was a high school student looking for a job and Burger King is paying 15 and the drug store is paying 10 who would ever work at the drug store ?

This is going to force the drug store to pay 15.

Either that or the service at places like drug stores and target etc.. Is going to go to complete shit because these places will now hire the dregs of society that could not get a 15 fast food job.

So either they will all pay 15 or you will have a reversal of service.

The fast food industry will have great service and the other retail industries will go to shit service wise.

I think in the end all the low end jobs will pay the same.

^^^ $15 can be/might be ain't yet! If it becomes LAW, it will be phased in ^^^

I stopped at local McDonalds yesterday I counted 14 people @ 7pm in blue shirts 2 white shirts stopped @ 5am counted 7 white shirts again 2 blue shirts and thought on each trip if they cut in 1/2 the crew and paid 7 people $16 vs. 14 people $8 an hour this wage increase wouldn't cost the owners a nickle. I know for a fact the owners of receive a subsidy from the Government because once your hired the Company has you fill out a form with specific questions about your living/financial situation from the State that shows the State that they hired an indigent. A person lacking food, clothing, and other necessities of life because of poverty; needy; poor; impoverished. Anyone know how the Company or if Company benefits from these hires? This screams rebate rebate

Fellow Rx's.... I'm trying to connect the Dots! Interesting reads........
 

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If youre a Five Guys, seems like the play would be to throw a few TVs in there, waitresses and maybe some karaoke and say we're not fast food.

Haha.
You say that as a joke but I can certainly see places like 5 guys doing exactly that.
 

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