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[h=1]Sorry, Bibi: Iran is bad, but it is no Amalek, Haman or even Nazi Germany[/h] [h=2]Jewish history offers no parallels for the situation Israel finds itself in today – American history does.[/h] By Peter Beinart 21:43 04.03.15
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For Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel always faces the same enemy. Call it Amalek, call it Haman, call it Nazi Germany – it seeks the same thing: The destruction of the Jewish people.
In his 2000 book A Durable Peace, Netanyahu wrote that the idea the Palestinians are “a separate people that deserves the right of self-determination” is “borrowed directly from the Nazis.”
In 2002, he urged the United States to invade Iraq, because “we now know that had the democracies taken preemptive action to bring down Hitler in the 1930s, the worst horrors in history could have been avoided.”
In 2006, he said, “It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany.” In 2010, he vowed that “we won’t forget to be prepared for the new Amalek, who is making an appearance on the stage of history and once again threatening to destroy the Jews.”
So it was in this week’s speech to Congress. Netanyahu started by comparing Iran’s regime to Haman, Amalek’s genocidal heir from the Book of Esther, and ended by comparing it to Nazi Germany. “The days when the Jewish people remained passive in the face of genocidal enemies,” he declared, “those days are over.”
Netanyahu did not invent this way of thinking. From the beginning of the Hebrew Bible to the end, Jewish texts speak of an eternal, implacable enemy: Esau, Amalek, Agag, Haman. On Tisha B’Av, Jews link the catastrophes of our history – from the destruction of the Temples to the beginning of the First Crusade to the Expulsion of Jews from Spain – by insisting they occurred on the same day. And, of course, less than a century ago, the mightiest power in Europe did try to exterminate the Jewish people – and succeeded in butchering one-third.
But Jewish tradition also warns against allowing analogies with the past to obscure our understanding of the present. As Rabbi Jonathan Sacks recently noted, Maimonides insisted that since the nations Jews fought in biblical times no longer exist, we cannot identify any contemporary nation with Amalek. (Or, by implication, with Amalek’s heir, Haman).
In his speech to Congress about Iran, Netanyahu violated that tradition. And he violated the obligation of any wise leader: To see current foes not as a facsimile of past ones, but as they really are.
Both at home and abroad, Iran is a brutal, malevolent regime. I hope its quest for regional power fails, and I hope Ayatollah Khamenei and his henchmen end their lives in jail. But Iran is not Amalek, Haman or Nazi Germany. It poses a threat to Israel’s position in the Middle East, not a threat to the existence of the Jewish people.
How do we know? By examining what the Iranian regime has actually done. The Islamic Republic took power 36 years ago. Were its leaders hell-bent on exterminating Jews, they had an easy place to start: with the roughly 20,000 Jews who live in Iran itself. Do those Jews suffer serious discrimination? Absolutely. Have they suffered anything close to genocide? No. Were Iran’s regime the equivalent of Nazi Germany, Amalek, Haman or, for that matter, ISIS (also known as ISIL), it is inconceivable that after three decades in power, Iran’s Jews would be operating 11 synagogues and two kosher restaurants.
The truth is that while Netanyahu has been analogizing Israel’s foes – the Palestinians, Iraq and now Iran – to the Nazis since he entered politics, Israeli policymakers have never treated Iran like a suicidal, genocidal regime.
In the 1980s, Iran was even more rhetorically bloodthirsty than it is now. And yet Israel sold Iran weapons to fight Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, whose greater proximity to the Jewish state made it – in Israeli eyes – the greater danger.
In his book, "A Single Role of the Dice," Trita Parsi quotes David Menashri, who runs the Center for Iranian Studies at the University of Tel Aviv, as saying, “Throughout the 1980s, no one in Israel said anything about an Iranian threat – the word wasn’t even uttered.”
As Parsi notes, Israeli leaders began focusing on the Iranian threat in the 1990s, not because of a change in Iranian rhetoric or behavior, but the Soviet Union’s collapse and Iraq’s Gulf War defeat left Saddam far weaker. Iran, and its nuclear program, now represented the primary danger on Israel’s eastern front.
That danger is real. But it is the danger posed by a nasty regional competitor, not by what Bibi has called a “messianic apocalyptic cult.” Yes, Iran has armed terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, but it has also restrained them for fear of provoking too ferocious an Israeli response. In the words of my Haaretz colleague Aluf Benn, recent behavior “by Hezbollah and Iran [has] demonstrated self-control and cautious risk-benefit calculations, not madness.”
That’s also the assessment of Israel’s security and intelligence chiefs. In 2012, Meir Dagan, who between 2002 and 2010 oversaw the Iran file as head of the Mossad, Israel’s external intelligence agency, called the Iranian regime “rational.” Tamir Pardo, Dagan’s successor in that job, has said “the term existential threat is used too freely.” Yet another former Mossad head, Ephraim Halevy, last month declared that when it comes to Iran, “it is a terrible mistake to use the term ‘existential threat’ because I do not believe there is an existential threat to Israel.”
Israel’s military leaders have said much the same thing. In 2012, Benny Gantz, who last month stepped down as head of the Israel Defense Forces, said, “The Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people.” That same year, one of his predecessors in that job, Dan Halutz, said, “Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.”
Behind these sober statements lurks a realization utterly missing from Bibi’s speech to Congress: that Jewish history offers no good parallels for the situation Israel finds itself in today. It’s not just that after 2,000 years of statelessness, Jews have created a country. They have created a country with hundreds of nuclear weapons, whose military might dwarfs those around it.
Israel is a dominant, democratic, status quo-oriented power facing an authoritarian competitor that wants to upend the regional balance, in part by breaking Israel’s nuclear monopoly. “Iran’s nuclear program seeks to create a nuclear duopoly in the Mideast that would reduce Israel’s power,” writes Benn. “This is why we’re fighting it.”
Jewish history offers no analogue for such a situation, but American history does. In the late 1940s, America entered the Cold War era in an utterly dominant position, just as Israel entered the post-Cold War era. Like Israel in the Middle East, America enjoyed a nuclear monopoly. And like Israel, it saw that monopoly threatened by a dictator who, through his nuclear program, sought to shift the power balance in his favor. That dictator, Joseph Stalin, a man with even more blood on his hands than Iran’s ayatollahs, made frequent, terrifying predictions about America’s eventual demise. So did his successors. In 1958, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev asked then-U.S. Senator Hubert Humphrey where he was from. When Humphrey pointed out Minneapolis on a map, Khrushchev said, “I will have to remember to have that city spared when the missiles start flying.”
In the early decades of the Cold War, many Americans saw the Soviet Union as a facsimile of Nazi Germany. Yet policymakers who knew Russia well, like George Kennan, recognized that beyond Moscow’s frightening, revolutionary rhetoric lay a regime that, while brutal, exercised caution because it wanted to stay in power.
Hopefully, Israel will not lose its nuclear monopoly, as the United States did – first to the U.S.S.R. and then to Mao’s China – since a nuclear Iran would be bad for not only Israel, but for the region and the world. But Israel can learn far more from America’s experience in the early Cold War than from the experience of stateless Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto or biblical Persia. Judging by the sober, measured way many top Israeli security officials discuss the Iranian threat, they already understand that. Unfortunately, they weren't the ones who addressed Congress on Tuesday morning.
 

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[h=1]Kerry responds to Netanyahu: Simply demanding that Iran capitulate is not a plan[/h] [h=2]U.S. official hints that the March 30 goal is no longer a 'framework agreement' with Iran but an 'understanding' on which to base future talks.[/h] By Barak Ravid 21:35 04.03.15
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The United States and Iran completed another round of talks in Switzerland on Wednesday, within the framework of ongoing attempts to reach a deal on the latter's nuclear program.
After the talks, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry responded to the speech made in Congress on Tuesday by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and said "simply demanding that Iran capitulate is not a plan."
Kerry has been trying in recent days to reach an understanding with Iranian Foreigh Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on two primary issues – the amount of enriched uranium Iran will retain after the deal with the world powers is signed, as well as the pace at which sanctions in place on the Iranian republic will be rescinded.
The talks were also attended by Ernest Moniz , U.S. secretary of energy, as well as Iranian atomic energy chief Ali Akbar Salehi, considered to be a confidant of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Kerry and Zarif are scheduled to meet again in Geneva on March 15.
After three days of talks with his Iranian counterpart, Kerry noted that he does not know if the two nations can reach an agreement, noting that "it is certainly possible that we won't," adding, "it may be that Iran simply can't say yes to the type of deal that the international community requires."
Kerry said after the talks with Zarif that progress has been made, but that there are still significant gaps. Kerry noted that the goal of the negotiations isn’t to reach an agreement, but rather to reach the best agreement possible, one that could stand up to scrutiny. "We also want an agreement that is sustainable over time," said Kerry.
A senior U.S. official hinted during a press conference after the talks that the aspiration to forge a framework agreement by March 30, to be followed by a more comprehensive agreement by June 30, is no longer relevant. Rather, the American official noted that the new working goal is "reaching an understanding" with the Iranians that will turn into a comprehensive, specified agreement.
The official added that President Barack Obama will decide if there is a basis for continuing the talks in June, based on understandings that will be reached in the coming weeks.
Kerry left Switzerland for Riyadh, to meet with King Salman of Saudi Arabia, and update him on the progress in the nuclear negotiations.
While in Saudi Arabia, Kerry will also meet with foreign ministers from six Gulf states and inform them of progress as well. On Saturday, Kerry will meet the French, British and German foreign ministers in Paris, in order to coordinate further dealings with the Iranians.
A senior U.S. official noted that the head of the American negotiating team, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman, will hold a closed video conference with her Israeli counterparts in order to brief them on the results of negotiations.
Kerry also responded to Netanyahu's speech in Congress, and rejected most of the prime minister's claims. Kerry stressed that he does not intend to allow foreign or political elements to influence his opinion on the negotiations.

Kerry responded to Netanyahu's demand that Iran alter its subversive behavior in the region and cease terror activity throughout the world, by saying that the first and most important step is to prevent Iran from achieving a nuclear weapon.

Kerry rejected Netanyahu's contention that further sanctions on Iran would prompt the latter to abandon the nuclear infrastructure that it has been building over the years. He noted that sanctions hurt Iran enough to bring the Iranians to the negotiating table, but did not stop the Islamic Republic from developing its nuclear program, claiming that the only thing that managed to stall the program was the interim agreement reached in November 2013.

"In my speech to Congress," Netanyahu said, "I offered a practical alternative. My alternative will, on the one hand, extend by years Iran's nuclear weapon break-out time, should it decide to violate the agreement, by putting in place more stringent limitation. The alternative that I put forward to Congress also proposes that sanctions against Iran not be lifted automatically until such time as it stops spreading terrorism across the globe, stops its aggression against its neighbors and stop threatening to destroy Israel."
Asked about reactions to his speech, Netanyahu insisted that he was "encouraged" by the response from Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike. "I got the impression," Netanyahu said, "that they now better understand why this is a bad deal and what the proper alternative is."
 

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Israeli voters unmoved by Netanyahu speech to US Congress

Polls show prime minister and his Likud party level pegging with, or marginally behind, the Zionist Union party led by Yitzhak Herzog

Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem
Thursday 5 March 2015 03.37 EST Last modified on Thursday 5 March 2015 03.48 EST

Binyamin Netanyahu’s speech to the US Congress this week has won him only a marginally increased level of support before Israeli elections on 17 March, with more than 90% of participants in one poll saying the speech failed to inspire them to change their vote.

The speech, regarded by the White House as a serious breach of protocol, was widely seen in the US and Israel as a risky political gambit by Netanyahu to win support for another term in office. But it appears to have had a limited impact so far on the election campaign.

According to the first polls to be conducted since the speech, Netanyahu and his Likud party have picked up support that could translate into one or two more seats in the Knesset, but failed to overtake the Zionist Union party led by Yitzhak Herzog.
One poll had the two main parties level pegging, and a second had Herzog still marginally ahead with just under two weeks until the vote.
In a poll for Channel 10, 7% of respondents said the speech had changed their voting intentions, compared with 93% who said it had not. Asked whether the speech had justified the damage caused to relations with the US, 29% agreed it had and 43% disagreed.

In a poll for Channel Two, 44% of respondents said it had improved or moderately improved their impression of the prime minister, against 43% who said it had not changed their view.
On Wednesday, Herzog said of his rival’s speech: “Netanyahu is known to be a good orator and I am always happy when we receive applause in Congress. However, it has no connection with the result. The bottom line is that this speech will achieve nothing.

“The citizens of Israel can be very pleased for a moment with the applause but in the long run Netanyahu is out of the picture, Israel is out of the picture. At the end of the day, the US has a presidential regime. The person who makes the rules on these matters is the president.”
 

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Of course...........his articles and beets articles are always correct. Ours are spam. They are always right. We are always wrong. Just like little kids pitching a fit until they get their way.

Yours isn't spam. YOU ARE a Fucking Nazi - Ach Tung!
 

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You gonna "call him out" SPAMMY?

Nah, didn't think so.

Keep Spamming until 4AM.

A few more idiotic op-eds from you and who knows, the entire Rx community will rise up and get Bibi to cancel his speech???
 

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After Speech, Netanyahu Appears to Gain at Home

By John WaageCBN News Sr. Editor

Thursday, March 05, 2015

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The first Israeli poll conducted after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to Congress shows he may have gained slightly in the tight race to lead the next government.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2015/March/After-Speech-Netanyahu-Appears-to-Gain-at-Home/

 

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HA HA HA HA the sewer rat spammer has gone absolutely wild in this thread!

He can't take the fact that this speech was given.
 

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HA HA HA HA the sewer rat spammer has gone absolutely wild in this thread!

He can't take the fact that this speech was given.

It's a charitable service he's providing. A free scrollwheel check for the Rx Community.
 

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You gonna "call him out" SPAMMY?

Nah, didn't think so.

Keep Spamming until 4AM.

A few more idiotic op-eds from you and who knows, the entire Rx community will rise up and get Bibi to cancel his speech???

But he wants you to call out, no wait, he demands you call out Beets.

Next thing you know he’ll want an apology.
 

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But he wants you to call out, no wait, he demands you call out Beets.

Next thing you know he’ll want an apology.

This thread is so bloated with his BS I sometimes scroll back down the page and read for the first time garbage he's said to me that I previously missed. The fondler of the Ayahtollah's balls says that I, not him would have collaborated with the Nazis. All while he's doing so right now, today! He, and that cum guzzler Peter Breinart are trying to get the Jews finished off and they're too stupid to realize it.
 

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Saudi Foreign Minister Saud bin Faisal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud told Kerry that events in Tikrit, the Iraqi city now under Islamic State control, is a prime example of what worries SAudi Arabia, and warned that Iran was taking over Iraq.

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Kerry with his Saudi counterpart in Riyadh on Thursday. (Photo: Reuters)

 

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[h=2]PM says his speech to Congress "hit home" and that it succeeded in getting people to understand there “is a problem” with the emerging deal.[/h]
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives interview to BBC Persian. (photo credit:HAIM ZACH/GPO)




The current Iranian regime is perpetuating the tradition of Haman from 2,500 years ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday – Purim – in an interview with the BBC's Persian language television news channel.

During the interview, conducted in English, Netanyahu said that Israel has always had great respect for the people of Iran, “from the days of King Cyrus, who was a great friend of the Jewish people.”

But unfortunately, there was another tradition in Persia and that was the tradition of Haman, who 2,500 years ago sought to destroy the Jewish people in the way that Hitler sought to destroy,” said Netanyahu, who later in the day attended a reading of the Book of Esther to mark Shushan Purim in Jerusalem.

“ We prefer the tradition of Cyrus,” he said. “This regime continues the tradition of Haman. And I hope that we find a way to change those policies. Certainly we shouldn't reward them with nuclear weapons.”

Netanyahu said that Haman “ultimately was defeated and a better tradition emerged, and that was very good. That's what we need to do right now too.”

The prime minister said that throughout history there have been continuous attempts to annihilate the Jews, “including most recently in the Holocaust. Somebody came, rose to power and said, 'We're going to destroy all the Jews in the world.'"

Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei tweeted just a few month ago nine ways and reasons to destroy israel, he said, adding that in order to protect itself, Israel wants to make sure that “Khamenei doesn't have the means to create another Holocaust.”

Netanyahu said that the current Iranian government’s “aggressive design,” coupled with weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a radical regime, “is not merely a danger to Israel but a danger to the region, a danger to the world and ultimately a great danger to the people of Iran.”

For “our common sake,” he said, “this regime should not have nuclear weapons.

Netanyahu, during the interview, deflected questions about Israeli plans to scuttle the Iranian nuclear program, saying “we hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.”

He also deflected the argument that Israel has a reported nuclear capacity and has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty, as has Iran, saying that the difference is that Israel – unlike the Islamic Republic - has not called for or is trying to annihilate any country.

“The problem in the Middle East is not those who signed or didn't sign the NPT, it's actually the ones who did sign the NPT and violated it, like Libya's Gadhafi, like Assad of Syria, like Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Iran itself,” he said.

Regarding his speech to Congress on Tuesday, the prime minister said he felt his message not to give Tehran a clear path to the bomb “actually hit home,” and that it succeeded in getting people to “focus on this issue” and understand there “is a problem” with the emerging deal.

He also said that many people in Iran understand the cost of the nuclear program to them. “They've been hijacked by these religious zealots who invest billions and billions and billions into this nuclear weapons program,” he said, instead of in health, education , welfare and infrastructure development.


 

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This thread is so bloated with his BS I sometimes scroll back down the page and read for the first time garbage he's said to me that I previously missed. The fondler of the Ayahtollah's balls says that I, not him would have collaborated with the Nazis. All while he's doing so right now, today! He, and that cum guzzler Peter Breinart are trying to get the Jews finished off and they're too stupid to realize it.

Scotty The Low Life Collaborator Tout's favorite Book. He would have been a perfect Nazi Jew. Turn in any Jew who disagrees with him.
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[h=1]Netanyahu enters never-never land[/h] By Fareed Zakaria Opinion writer March 5 at 7:24 PM


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to Congress was eloquent, moving and intelligent in identifying the problems with the potential nuclear deal with Iran. But when describing the alternative to it, Netanyahu entered never-never land, painting a scenario utterly divorced from reality. Congress joined him on his fantasy ride, rapturously applauding as he spun out one unattainable demand after another.

Netanyahu declared that Washington should reject the current deal, demand that Tehran dismantle almost its entire nuclear program and commit never to restart it. In the world according to Bibi, the Chinese, Russians and Europeans will cheer, tighten sanctions, and increase pressure — which would then lead Iran to capitulate. “Dreams do come true, if only we wish hard enough,” said Peter Pan.



We have some history that can inform us on the more likely course. Between 2003 and 2005, under another practical president, Mohammad Khatami, Iran negotiated with three European Union powers a possible deal to place its nuclear program under constraints and inspections. The chief nuclear negotiator at the time was Hassan Rouhani, now Iran’s president.
Iran proposed to cap its centrifuges at very low levels, keep enrichment levels well below those that could be used for weapons and convert its existing enriched uranium into fuel rods (which could not be put to military use). Peter Jenkins, the British representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the Inter Press Service , “All of us were impressed by the proposal.” But the talks collapsed because the Bush administration, acting through the British government, vetoed it. It was certain, Jenkins explained, that if the West could “scare” the Iranians, “they would give in.”
What was the result? Did Iran return to the table and capitulate? No, the country withstood the sanctions and, unimpeded by any inspections, massively expanded its nuclear infrastructure. Iran went from 164 centrifuges to 19,000, accumulated more than 17,000 pounds of enriched uranium gas and ramped up construction of a heavy water reactor at Arak that could be used to produce weapons-grade plutonium.
Harvard University’s Graham Allison, one of the United States’ foremost experts on nuclear issues, pointed out that “by insisting on maximalist demands and rejecting potential agreements, the first of which would have limited Iran to 164 centrifuges, we have seen Iran advance from 10 years away from producing a bomb to only months.”
If the deal now being negotiated fails, the most likely scenario is a repetition of the past. Iran will expand its nuclear program. If the other major powers believed that Iran’s offer was serious but U.S. and Israeli intransigence torpedoed it, they would be reluctant to enforce sanctions — and all sanctions start to leak over time anyway. Netanyahu worries that with this deal, 10 years from now Iran might restart some elements of its programs. But without the deal, in 10 years Iran would likely have 50,000 centrifuges, a massive stockpile of highly enriched uranium, new facilities, thousands of experienced nuclear scientists and technicians, and a fully functioning heavy water reactor that can produce plutonium. At that point, what would Bibi do?

The theory that Iran would buckle under continued pressure ignores certain basic facts. Iran is a proud, nationalistic country. It has survived 36 years of Western sanctions through low oil prices and high oil prices. It endured an eight-year war with Iraq in which it lost an estimated half a million fighters. The nuclear program is popular, even with leaders of the pro-democratic Green Movement.
As Allison points out, Iran already has the capacity to build a nuclear weapons program and got it in 2008 when it mastered the ability to produce centrifuges and enrich uranium. And yet, Iran has not done it. For almost 25 years now, Netanyahu has argued that Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon. In 1996 — 19 years ago — he addressed the Congress and made pretty much the same argument he made this week. Over the last 10 years he has argued repeatedly that Iran is one year away from a bomb.

So why have Bibi’s predictions been wrong for 25 years? A small part of it has been Western and Israeli sabotage that impeded Iran’s progress. But even the most exaggerated claims by intelligence agencies would not account for a delay of more than a few years. The larger part is probably that Iran has always recognized that were it to build a bomb, it would face huge international consequences. In other words, the mullahs have calculated — correctly — that the benefits of breakout are not worth the costs. The key to any agreement with Iran is to keep the costs of breakout high and the benefits low. This is the most realistic path to keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons state — not Peter Pan dreams.
 

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[h=1]The answer for Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu is war against Iran[/h]
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A statesman would have made his country a partner in the talks, not an angry voice on the side


Irony is not Benjamin Netanyahu’s strong suit. Israel’s prime minister was in Washington this week to issue another of his apocalyptic warnings about Iran’s nuclear programme. He left at home the crude diagram of an Iranian bomb he had waved aloft at the UN in 2012. Yet this latest theatre offered another reminder that no one has been so diligent as its present leader in disarming the state of Israel.
Unsurprisingly, Mr Netanyahu won warm applause from his Republican friends in the US Congress. House Speaker John Boehner never misses an opportunity to embarrass President Barack Obama. Many Democrats stayed away. What should worry Israelis is that beyond Capitol Hill no one else is listening. The bellicose intransigence that Mr Netanyahu has made his trademark lost him the backing of Europeans long ago. By traducing Mr Obama in the company of Republicans he shattered trust with the White House.



There lies one irony. Mr Netanyahu has stripped himself of credibility. Whatever this Israeli government now says — sensible or otherwise — about the indisputable risks of any nuclear deal with Tehran will be generally discounted as the raving of someone forever set on another Middle East war. A statesman would have made Israel a partner to the six-power talks. Angry shouting from the sidelines has left Mr Netanyahu, well, alone on the sidelines.

Israel’s drift towards isolation is not just about Iran. The rising swell of opinion pushing the international community towards formal recognition of Palestinian statehood at the UN can be traced directly to the headlong expansion of illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. The Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas would have to make big concessions in any serious peace negotiation. It has been given a free pass. Why should it move when the Israeli leader openly scorns US peace efforts and, week by week, shows contempt for the notion of two states by grabbing more Palestinian land?
Nothing if not immodest, Mr Netanyahu called his US trip a “fateful, even historic, mission”. He styles himself a latter day Winston Churchill — a vanity happily indulged by Mr Boehner. Many Israelis take a different view. Opposition politicians charged he had poisoned relations with the US in an effort to grab headlines two weeks ahead of a general election that he could yet lose to Labor’s Isaac Herzog.

More tellingly, an array of former senior officials and generals from the country’s security establishment said the grandstanding was a “clear and present danger to the security of the state of Israel”. The rift with Mr Obama, they stated, had imperilled bipartisan US support for Israel and made an enemy of its most vital friend.

These Israeli grandees might have added that by turning Iran into a partisan issue Mr Netanyahu has actually made it easier for Mr Obama to strike a framework deal with Iran before the end March deadline. US support for Israel does not mean Americans are content to see an Israeli prime minister trying to propel their president into a war. Most, I would guess, have had enough of military adventures in the Middle East. As for the other parties to the six-power talks, Mr Netanyahu’s latest volley will have simply confirmed long accumulated preconceptions.

The Israeli leader openly scorns US peace efforts and shows contempt for the notion of two states by grabbing more Palestinian land
A second irony, of course, is that the Israeli prime minister is right when he says that the outline bargain on the table with Iran is fraught with risks. Tehran’s role as a sponsor of Hizbollah and vital prop for Syria’s Bashar al-Assad tells you all you need to know about the regime. A promise to reduce its stocks of uranium, scale down enrichment and submit to international scrutiny and inspection is not a guarantee that the regime will not seek to make a bomb.
Mr Netanyahu says the alternative is to ratchet up sanctions until Iran abjures all nuclear activity, civilian as well as military. He knows, though, that is fantasy. Both the means and the end are implausible. Sanctions would never force Tehran to make such a commitment, nor stop it from building a bomb.

No, what the Israeli leader really wants is a US-led war against Iran. What he also fails to say is that a new Middle East conflagration would be even less likely to snuff out Tehran’s nuclear ambitions. Bombing Iran would more likely convince hardliners that a nuclear capability was the only sure guarantee against US-imposed regime change.

Iran has mastered the nuclear cycle. It also has what the experts call a “breakout capability”; sufficient material to produce at least one device, probably several. The knowledge cannot be bombed away. Nor, unless air attacks are open-ended, can outside powers prevent Iran from building new nuclear facilities secure against such raids.
Facing the severe pain of sanctions, compounded by the sharp fall in oil prices, Iranian president Hassan Rouhani has offered the west an opening that might change the dynamics of the relationship. For his part, Mr Obama is ready to accept a deal sufficiently robust to provide one year’s notice of any attempt to build a bomb.
Susan Rice, Mr Obama’s national security adviser, says the US approach is to “distrust but verify”. That is not a bad summation. If the terms are nailed down — and there is still no certainty Tehran will accept them — such a bargain will be an imperfect compromise with one of the world’s more unpleasant and dangerous regimes. That would be a lot better than a futile war.
 

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For those that believe passionately that Netanyahu is so wrong, then so be it, be at peace with yourself. If you are convinced he is wrong then you should not be affected by what he said, it should be like water off a ducks back to you. There is no need to be frustrated.

 

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For those that believe passionately that Netanyahu is so wrong, then so be it, be at peace with yourself. If you are convinced he is wrong then you should not be affected by what he said, it should be like water off a ducks back to you. There is no need to be frustrated.


Wish it were true, SB, and thanks for The Python. Big big fan.
Unfortunately, Bibi's words and actions can and do have very serious consequences for the survival of Israel, and by extension, the safety of the world. He is harming Israel and the US. I am as "frustrated" on my side as you are on yours, and all we can do is hope is that ultimately Iran's attainment on the Bomb is stopped. We just have different views on how best to achieve it. Keep posting articles supporting your views, I'll do the same, and everything is good. it's only when you have disgusting, low life scum like Scotty The Tout getting involved that problems arise.
 

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[h=1]Netanyahu's Real Targets: President Obama, and the Israeli Swing Voter[/h] [h=5]By Jeffrey Goldberg[/h]
Well, Benjamin Netanyahu certainly knows how to give a speech. But we already knew that.
Netanyahu is eloquent in outlining the terrible crimes of the Iranian regime. But we already knew that.
Netanyahu is committed to the survival of the Jewish people, and the Jewish state. But we already knew that.
Netanyahu loves America. But we already knew that.
Netanyahu believes that Iran is playing the American administration for suckers. But we already knew that.
Netanyahu doesn't have a plausible, realistic plan to keep Iran from gaining possession of a nuclear weapon. But we already knew that.
A number of quick observations about a surreal day in Washington:
1. The speech had two targets, and neither one was Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader. The first set of targets consisted of President Obama, his secretary of state, John Kerry, and Kerry's chief Iran negotiator, Wendy Sherman. Netanyahu called them all out, though not by name, for being hopelessly, haplessly naive in the face of evil. "I don’t believe that Iran’s radical regime will change for the better after this deal," Netanyahu said. "Would Iran be less aggressive when sanctions are removed and its economy is stronger? If Iran is gobbling up four countries right now while it’s under sanctions, how many more countries will Iran devour when sanctions are lifted? Would Iran fund less terrorism when it has mountains of cash with which to fund more terrorism?" President Obama has argued that a nuclear deal may help turn Iran into a more responsible international actor. Netanyahu thinks otherwise.
The second target was the conservative portion of the Israeli electorate, which has, like much of the rest of Israel, grown tired of Netanyahu. He will be returned to power on March 17 if he can convince a large enough number of Likud-oriented voters to stick with his party. If they move to other right-wing parties, Israel's president, Ruvi Rivlin, who loathes Netanyahu, will be presented with an opportunity to call for the formation of a national-unity government, or even a government led outright by the center-left Zionist Camp party. Right-wing voters in Israel aren't upset by Netanyahu's thumb-in-the-eye approach to President Obama. Many of them actually like it, and they will like to see that Netanyahu is more-or-less correct when he argues that Congress has Israel's back.

2. Congress has Israel's back. Nancy Pelosi was very upset after the speech—she thought it condescending—but the reaction to the speech from the floor of the House would certainly convince Israeli voters that Netanyahu has maintained good relations with the legislative branch. The boycott advocated by some left-leaning groups largely failed. About 90 percent of Congress showed up for the speech. The notable exceptions: a meaningful number of Jewish members, and a large number of African-American members. It is unprecedented for Jewish members of Congress to boycott a speech by an Israeli prime minister, and it is a bad omen. It is also unprecedented for so many members of the Congressional Black Caucus (which is quite pro-Israel) to stay away. This is on the Israeli government, and, specifically, its ambassador in Washington, Ron Dermer (the architect of this speech) to fix.

3. Netanyahu doesn't profess to understand how negotiations work. In order for negotiations to succeed, all parties have to agree to terms. Netanyahu believes that terms can be imposed on Iran, as terms were imposed on Japan after World War II. But those terms were imposed after a total military defeat. Short of a total military defeat of Iran, the West will not get from Iran all that Netanyahu wants. Asking Congress to link sanctions relief to broader issues, such as Iran's sponsorship of terrorism, and its various regional aggressions, is a way to blow up these negotiations for good. Iran will not agree to these terms, and will walk away. And then it will be free—or freer, at least—to move to nuclear breakout.

4. Netanyahu may—may—have succeeded in putting Obama on the back foot. Obama has a very hard job here. He has to convince American legislators that reaching an agreement with a terror-sponsoring regime that is known to cheat on nuclear matters (and, by the way, also calls for the annihilation of Israel, a country the majority of Americans support) will make the world a safer place. That's a difficult thing to do, especially when one way to actually reach a deal, American negotiators believe, is to "preserve the dignity" of the Iranian side. There's a reasonable chance that this speech will be forgotten in a month. There's also a reasonable chance that Netanyahu just made Obama's mission harder.
This article available online at:
http://www.theatlantic.com/global/a...ent-obama-and-the-israeli-swing-voter/386722/
 

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[h=1]Netanyahu’s Speech Divides Israel, Too[/h] [h=2]The spat in the U.S. over Israeli leader’s speech before Congress is mirrored at home as elections approach[/h] Nicholas Casey and
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March 3, 2015 5:14 p.m. ET TEL AVIV—Just as it polarized official Washington, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech Tuesday divided Israeli voters, who will decide in two weeks whether to elect him to a fourth term.

The speech before a joint session of Congress was aired in prime time in Israel, where Billy and Lila Cohen sat at their television, nodding in agreement with the prime minister. The couple, who live in the Tel Aviv suburb of Ramat HaSharon, said he was right to challenge President Barack Obama ’s willingness to cut a deal to limit Iran’s nuclear program.
“Bibi hasn’t been able to convince Obama of anything,” said Mr. Cohen, using the prime minister’s nickname. “So what is he going to do?”
A short drive away in Tel Aviv, Avishai Amir, a 68-year-old retired journalist, watched the same speech and drew a different conclusion. He said Republicans in Congress had unwisely given Mr. Netanyahu a stage behind the back of Mr. Obama, putting the two leaders on a collision course harmful to Israel’s security interests.
“It’s kosher but it stinks,” said Mr. Amir.
Most Israelis share Mr. Netanyahu’s view that a nuclear-armed Iran represents an existential threat to Israel. But their diverging reactions to his decision to speak to Congress mirrored the partisan arguments between Republicans and Democrats over his visit.
Mr. Netanyahu’s election opponents must now pick sides: Do they support Mr. Netanyahu’s critique of the White House, or go against it?
“It’s amazing how the politics of the two nations have become entangled,” said Tal Schneider, an Israeli political analyst who has worked in Washington.
Israeli leaders over past decades have carefully cultivated close ties with both major parties and the White House. Mr. Netanyahu, in contrast, has alienated many Democrats. Before accepting House Speaker John Boehner ’s invitation to speak to Congress, he backed Mitt Romney ’s 2012 presidential candidacy and formed close ties with Sheldon Adelson , a Republican donor who has sought to unseat Democrats.

Isaac Herzog, the leftist who is Mr. Netanyahu’s leading challenger, has openly backed Mr. Obama on Iran.

Mr. Herzog of the Labor Party said recently that he trusts the U.S. president to reach a good agreement on Iran. He echoed criticism by Obama’s national security advisor, Susan Rice, that the speech would damage U.S.-Israeli relations and urged Mr. Netanyahu to call it off.
Mr. Cohen, watching the speech at home in Tel Aviv, said Republicans were right to invite Mr. Netanyahu address Congress. He criticized Mr. Obama as naïve to think the agreement under negotiation will stop Iran from building a bomb, and voiced disappointment with congressional Democrats who chose not to hear Mr. Netanyahu out.
Mr. and Ms. Cohen said they haven’t thought much about American politics since immigrating to Israel from the U.S. 42 years ago. The controversy ahead of the speech changed that.
“No one kept track of who these politicians were,” Ms. Cohen said as Mr. Boehner stepped to the podium to introduce his guest. “In this election they are.”
Mr. Netanyahu opened his speech with kind words for Mr. Obama, saying he wished his visit hadn’t been so contentious. Then he assailed the administration’s policies on Iran, saying they left Israel vulnerable to nuclear destruction.
Mr. Amir, the retired journalist, watched from his home, with one of his two dogs at his feet and the other behind the TV. He said the speech left him wondering whether Republicans were trying to bolster Mr. Netanyahu and operate behind Mr. Obama’s back.

“I’m not so naïve [to think] that Netanyahu and Boehner didn’t understand what’s at stake,” he said. “These are not kids. They have rich political experience.”
Mr. Amir said Israeli voters later this month will end up focusing more on the economy than on Iran. “The speech will be swallowed up by other topics,” he said.
Jonathan Rhynhold, a political science professor at Israel’s Bar Ilan University, said the warm applause Republicans gave Mr. Netanyahu will play well for him on election day. Polls show that left-wing voters have already decided to vote for Mr. Herzog, and Mr. Netanyahu is now trying to shore up the conservative vote, which already sees eye-to-eye with many policies of the GOP.

“This is going to help Mr. Netanyahu within his right-wing bloc,” Mr. Rhynhold said.
As Mr. Netanyahu’s speech concluded, Mr. Cohen said he thought the prime minister had made his case well.
“There’s a joke going around on who the Republicans should run for president next time; maybe it should be Bibi,” he said. “He’s getting a lot of applause.”
 

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McConnell postpones vote on Iran bill

By Ted Barrett and Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
Updated 5:20 PM ET, Thu March 5, 2015
Washington (CNN)Senate Republican leaders ditched plans Thursday to take up a bill next week that would have given Congress an up-or-down vote on any agreement international negotiators -- led by the United States -- make with Iran on its nuclear program, an aide to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told CNN.


The move comes after Democrats, who were upset GOP leaders decided to fast-track the legislation, threatened to block taking up the bill. Democrats fear immediate consideration could disrupt the sensitive talks with Iran that face an important March 24 deadline.

Skeptical the administration can cut a tough deal with Iran, Republicans wanted to act quickly on the bill, which was introduced just last week by the Republican chairman and ranking Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Republicans hoped to seize on momentum from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's powerful address to a joint meeting of Congress Tuesday, in which he urged the U.S. not to accept an agreement with Iran that would leave that country on track to build nuclear weapons in the near future.
The measure is opposed by the Obama administration, which said this week it would veto it. But Democrats, mindful of the White House's objections, have already felt divided on the issue and were critical of what they saw as partisan motives in the decision by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to invited Netanyahu to deliver an address to Congress arguing against the president's policy on Iran.

Senate Democratic aides said they believe that disrupting Democratic support for the bill was McConnell's aim all along — to again drive a wedge between the two parties on Israel, and make it seem as though Democrats aren't as supportive of the Middle East nation and as tough on national security issues as Republicans.

Though McConnell denied speeding up consideration of the bill for partisan ends, both Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill hoping to move forward with the measure told CNN that the move to fast-track the bill had poisoned the well and undermined progress on getting Democrats to sign on.
New Jersey Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez, who sponsored the bill along with Tennessee Republican Sen. Bob Corker, penned a letter along Wednesday with 10 fellow Democratic supporters of the bill saying that they would oppose voting on it before March 24.

In a statement Thursday, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said he was pleased McConnell had backed off his fast-track plan, which Reid charged was motivated by politics.

"Senator McConnell made the right decision by heeding calls from Democrats and Republicans to back off his transparently political move. Protecting Israel and the world from a nuclear-armed Iran is too important of an issue to use in partisan political games," Reid said.
"As leaders we should seek to build and cultivate bipartisan support for Israel, not try to score cheap political points. Democrats and Republicans joined together to ask Senator McConnell to reconsider his decision to rush this bill to the floor without the input of the senators who have worked so hard for months on this issue and he did the right thing by heeding their advice."

Corker said in a statement that putting off a vote is the right call because it would allow the bill -- once it does eventually come to the floor -- to get what he hopes will be enough votes in the Senate to override a veto.
"The strongest signal we can send to the U.S. negotiators is having a veto-proof majority in support of Congress weighing in on any final nuclear deal with Iran," Corker said, emphasizing that the bill is still gaining support as four additional Democrats signed on.
He added that he appreciated McConnell's commitment to getting the bill "across the finish line" by scheduling a vote "at a time when we will more likely generate a veto-proof majority."
 

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