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Auburn is a non factor in my opinion. If you lose this late in the year to an unranked team then I don't consider u relevant. That's just me, but I'm not on the committee.
 

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we need to lobby for an 8 team playoff. while Bama is going to win it all, there are 7 other teams we could easily put in that are worthy. not every team is able to bring it every week like the Tide, but there are plenty of talented teams out there. Clem, LV, USC, Col, Wash, tOSU, Mich, OU, OKST....and even a team like WMU or SDSU could squeeze into the conversation as first round fodder for Saban's crew.

the big10 reallllly needs Mich to beat tOSU. Having PSU in the championship game vs Wisky would be awful.

this is going to be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Bams is in. #1 seed. even a loss to Allburn wont change that and that's not happening anyway
if Mich wins out, I think they are in. Otherwise if Wisky wins out, they are in. If PennSt wins out thru the ConfChamp...BARF.
if Wash wins out, I think they are in.
if Clem wins out, I think they are in

sadly, losing at Clemson is going to keep LV out of their champ game and it's going to be very hard to put them in the final 4 unless Clemson loses again, and even then, they arent a shoo in.

tOSU not making their champ game is going to be a challenge too. they would need to win out Wash or Clem to lose again IMO.

so much emphasis on the conf championships these days. 8 teams would really make it more fair. it would also allow teams to schedule TOUGH non-conference foes without the fear of losing the game and missing out on the playoff (see: Sooners, Oklahoma). And face it, CFB and it's fans win with 8 team playoff and better non-conference matchups.

I would like to have a 6 team playoff. Give #1/#2 a bye and have #3 v #6 and #4v#5 each play the first games on home campus. Take the P5 conference champ and then the best atlarge team.
If we went to 8, play the first round at home campus 1v8, 2v7, and so on. Take the P5 champs and then the next 3 best teams to fill out the 8.

As for this year, if we are fair, then tOSU may be in trouble like TCU was. Remember the first year TCU was #3, destroyed ISU in their final game on the final weekend and was dropped to #6 because they were not deemed to be conference champion. Same fate could fall to tOSU. I like you reasoning above.
 

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I would like to have a 6 team playoff. Give #1/#2 a bye and have #3 v #6 and #4v#5 each play the first games on home campus. Take the P5 conference champ and then the best atlarge team.
If we went to 8, play the first round at home campus 1v8, 2v7, and so on. Take the P5 champs and then the next 3 best teams to fill out the 8.

As for this year, if we are fair, then tOSU may be in trouble like TCU was. Remember the first year TCU was #3, destroyed ISU in their final game on the final weekend and was dropped to #6 because they were not deemed to be conference champion. Same fate could fall to tOSU. I like you reasoning above.
Agree but tcu and osu both at least had same # of losses 1. There is a big difference in 1 loss team and a 2. Loss team. Especially if strength of schedule for 1 loss team is stronger
 

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I don't think it's going to matter. I think the optics of tOSU beating Michigan will help them get in. I'm not sold on Mich, I still think the Colo game would have been different had QB Lufau not gotten knocked out of the game. Mich used 2 blocked punts, 1 a scoop and score, and the other set them up deep in Colo territory, and a punt return to make that game look more like a blowout.

I think the ACC did L'ville a favor because I still don't think that was a catch in the game that beat UVa. That ball was juggled. Doesnt matter now but I bet it does to the coaches in the CFP room.
 

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So what happens if 11-1 WV wins out and Michigan gets beat by tOSU? How much weight does winning a P5 conference championship have with the committee? The more fucked up this gets, the more I like it.
 

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I always have this question. What is better Clemson losing to Pitt at home, should of lost to nc state at home, could have lost to Troy at home almost lost to auburn. Or Louisville losing at Clemson in closing minutes? Which scenario is the better team?

What is this stuff about "Clemson could have lost to Troy at home"? Where do you come up with these imaginary scenarios? That game was never in doubt.

Clemson played Louisville and won, so we know who is the better team.
 

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What is this stuff about "Clemson could have lost to Troy at home"? Where do you come up with these imaginary scenarios? That game was never in doubt.

Clemson played Louisville and won, so we know who is the better team.
30-24 never in doubt? So if nc state hits that 33 yard field goal Clemson is still the better team because they beat Louisville?
 

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I always have this question. What is better Clemson losing to Pitt at home, should of lost to nc state at home, could have lost to Troy at home almost lost to auburn. Or Louisville losing at Clemson in closing minutes? Which scenario is the better team?

Which scenario? You only mentioned one.

Why don't you mention the Louisville scenario?

Why don't you mention UL's struggle with Duke at home? That game was closer later than the Clemson-Troy game, and Troy is just as good as Duke. And why don't you mention UL's struggle at UVA, where they broke a tie with 13 seconds left on a TD that should have been ruled an incompletion? Why don't you mention that Clemson blew out every team they played that was comparable to or worse than Virginia (SC State, BC, and Syracuse) by scores of 59-0, 56-10, and 54-0, i.e, no close calls for Clemson against a team as bad as Virginia? Why don't you mention the fact that UL trailed Wake in the fourth quarter on Saturday and therefore "could have lost" to Wake Forest, Duke, and Virginia?

And why don't you talk about UL's loss to Pitt and how UL "almost lost to Auburn" (although of course Clemson didn't "almost" lose to Auburn)? Oh, yeah, because UL played a much weaker schedule and didn't play those teams. Instead, UL drew the two worst teams from the Coastal, while Clemson drew two teams from the middle of the pack, and Clemson played at Auburn, while UL played Charlotte and Marshall as its early non-conference games. And we'll never know how this UL team would have done against NC State if the schedule maker had put the UL game ahead of the Clemson game on UL's schedule. NC State is probably the worst team in the country at getting over a disappointing loss, and they completely no-showed against UL the week after they lost to Clemson. Even the UL blowout win over FSU -- which is the only really impressive thing they've done -- was the first game FSU played without Derwin James, which could have made a big difference in that one and could explain a good bit of the margin.

Louisville has the same record against a much easier schedule, with close calls against teams that are worse than the teams Clemson had close calls against, and Clemson won head to head.

Ranking Clemson ahead of UL is a no-brainer if you actually look at all the facts.
 

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Which scenario? You only mentioned one.

Why don't you mention the Louisville scenario?

Why don't you mention UL's struggle with Duke at home? That game was closer later than the Clemson-Troy game, and Troy is just as good as Duke. And why don't you mention UL's struggle at UVA, where they broke a tie with 13 seconds left on a TD that should have been ruled an incompletion? Why don't you mention that Clemson blew out every team they played that was comparable to or worse than Virginia (SC State, BC, and Syracuse) by scores of 59-0, 56-10, and 54-0, i.e, no close calls for Clemson against a team as bad as Virginia? Why don't you mention the fact that UL trailed Wake in the fourth quarter on Saturday and therefore "could have lost" to Wake Forest, Duke, and Virginia?

And why don't you talk about UL's loss to Pitt and how UL "almost lost to Auburn" (although of course Clemson didn't "almost" lose to Auburn)? Oh, yeah, because UL played a much weaker schedule and didn't play those teams. Instead, UL drew the two worst teams from the Coastal, while Clemson drew two teams from the middle of the pack, and Clemson played at Auburn, while UL played Charlotte and Marshall as its early non-conference games. And we'll never know how this UL team would have done against NC State if the schedule maker had put the UL game ahead of the Clemson game on UL's schedule. NC State is probably the worst team in the country at getting over a disappointing loss, and they completely no-showed against UL the week after they lost to Clemson. Even the UL blowout win over FSU -- which is the only really impressive thing they've done -- was the first game FSU played without Derwin James, which could have made a big difference in that one and could explain a good bit of the margin.

Louisville has the same record against a much easier schedule, with close calls against teams that are worse than the teams Clemson had close calls against, and Clemson won head to head.

Ranking Clemson ahead of UL is a no-brainer if you actually look at all the facts.
No problem Clemson is awesome go Tigers!!! I hope they win it all for you. It has been a while.
 

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30-24 never in doubt? So if nc state hits that 33 yard field goal Clemson is still the better team because they beat Louisville?

I watched the Troy game, and it was never in doubt. Troy scored a meaningless TD in the final minute. It was closer than expected, but Troy was much better than expected, and things happened like a punt return where the Clemson return man showboated and dropped the ball before crossing the goal line. As for the NC State missed field goal, it's hard to see how that's relevant unless you're going to assume that the Pitt kicker missed the longer kick that he made. Clemson was 50-50 with its luck on last-second field goals, which isn't really very lucky considering the quality of the kickers.

So, one loss with a head-to-head win over UL, and the rest of the resume (better wins), means that Clemson should be ranked ahead of UL. As for who is the better team, that's hard to say since Clemson's problems this year have been an amazing number of turnovers in the red zone, including two against UL, three against NC State, and 2 or 3 against Pitt. Clemson without the turnovers is undoubtedly better than UL, and apparently Clemson is good enough to beat UL with a -2 at least some of the time.
 

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I must not be that crazy because right now the ap has Louisville above Clemson also. At least some people agree with me
 

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AP voters have always paid more attention to recent losses, so no surprise there.
 

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So what happens if 11-1 WV wins out and Michigan gets beat by tOSU? How much weight does winning a P5 conference championship have with the committee? The more fucked up this gets, the more I like it.

I like where you are going with this.
 

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What is this stuff about "Clemson could have lost to Troy at home"? Where do you come up with these imaginary scenarios? That game was never in doubt.

Clemson played Louisville and won, so we know who is the better team.


Clemson played Louisville AT HOME to the end. If they played in Louisville, the score could have easily gone the other way. HFA has an effect on games.
 

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big10 will be fun. PSU vs Wisky. if Wisky wins out, they make the final 4?
Michigan likely out of it with Speight gone. tOSU will try to kill everyone in their path to grab the #4 spot.
Lots of time less to sort out the mess.
this is a lot less painful with 8 teams.
 

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