Rudy has the balls to say it

[Dave007inVegas]

Hey Joe, does this sound familiar?

http://nypost.com/2015/02/21/giuliani-obama-influenced-by-communists-since-youth/

Rudy Giuliani doubled down on his claims that President Obama doesn’t “love America” in an interview with The Post Friday — claiming the commander-in-chief has been influenced by communists since his youth.

“From the time he was 9 years old, he was influenced by Frank Marshall Davis, who was a communist,” Giuliani said. The ex-mayor added that Obama’s grandfather introduced him to Davis, a writer and labor activist.

Giuliani also said another bad influence on Obama was Saul Alinsky, a community organizer whom the ex-mayor called a “socialist.”

The man once called “America’s mayor’’ also sharply criticized the president for having been a member of a church led by radical Chicago Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“He spent 17 years in the church of Jeremiah Wright, and this is the guy who said ‘God damn America, not God bless America,’’ Giuliani said. “Obama never left that church.”

Giuliani said Obama doesn’t measure up to past presidents. “He doesn’t talk about America the way John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan did, about America’s greatness and exceptionalism,” said Giuliani.

“He was educated by people who were critics of the US. And he has not been able to overcome those influences.”

Giuliani also implied he was the only one with the chutzpah to call out Obama, saying: “Somebody has to raise these issues with the president. Somebody has to have the courage to stand up.”

Giuliani also bashed Obama for seeming to focus more attention on the police shooting in Missouri, which, he said, “turned out to be justified,” than the killings by Islamic fanatics. “How could you hold a press conference about Ferguson and not hold a press conference when Christians and Jews were slaughtered?” he asked.

 

[The Guesser]

Rudy is now receiving death threats because of his assessment of Obama. My guess they are from
BO's Commie friends or the New Black Panthers. Another possibility is that these threats may be coming from
ISIS members who see BO as a soft touch and don't want statements like this making him more
vulnerable, after all they need him to stay in power to take advantage of his weakness.

Obama was receiving 30 death threats a day back in 2009. I'm sure it's grown exponentially, by the type of idiots who listen to Rudy's words, and a media that spreads hate.
It's deplorable that anybody in America get death threats over something they say. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...reats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

 

[neverbend]

Rudy does have a point that even loyal Obama followers deep down inside must realize. Whatever Obama is socialist or communist
those types have a world view and therefore are natural enemies of Nationhood. Therefore they have no use for borders or culture
and really are unlikely to have a love of country.

 

[The Guesser]

Rudy does have a point that even loyal Obama followers deep down inside must realize. Whatever Obama is socialist or communist
those types have a world view and therefore are natural enemies of Nationhood. Therefore they have no use for borders or culture
and really are unlikely to have a love of country.

Obama is neither Communist or Socialist. He's a Corporatist. Same as Rudy.
Second, what does Communism and/or Socialism have to do with not believing in Borders or Culture? They are economic systems.
When Russia was Communist, they believed very strongly in Russian Culture, the same with any other current Communist Country such as Cuba, Vietnam, China and their own Culture. Citizens and leaders of those Countries love their country and their culture.
There are many current and former largely Socialist Countries that had plenty of use for Borders and Culture. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Israel. Citizens and leaders of those Countries love their country and their culture.
The "Communists are the boogeyman" crowd swore if North Vietnam won the Vietnam war, they wouldn't stop with South Vietnam, The Commies would eventually take over all of Asia. North Vietnam won that war 40 years ago and I'm still waiting for their takeover of the rest of Asia that isn't Communist. In fact, their chilliest Asian relations are with China, their friendliest with Japan.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Another mans point of view by Joel Pollak

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani thinks that President Barack Obama doesn’t love America, and has now said so in public. He’s repeated the claim, several times, as he has been forced to defend it.

Predictably, Democrats have seized on Giuliani’s statement with feigned outrage, as if they hadn’t spent years saying the same thing about George W. Bush, as if Obama himself doesn’t say the same kind of thing about Republicans constantly–that they put “party ahead of country.”

One can argue that there are things about America that Obama does, in fact, love. He loves Hawaii. He loves basketball. He really loves golf, which is not actually American but which acquired its catholic appeal in the U.S.

He loves the “long arc of history,” the unique melodies and cadences of the civil rights tradition, the dialect of the black church–none of which is really natural to him, but all of which he embraces. He also pretends to love baseball, and a few other American things.

Yet in a basic sense, Giuliani is correct. Obama does not love America for what it is, but–at his best–for what it could be.

That is something he shares in common with the rest of the utopian left. As Mark Levin often argues, you don’t really love something if you want to “fundamentally transform” it, as Obama does. You don’t really love America for what it is if you challenge its Constitution. You don’t even really love Americans if you play golf or take silly selfies as they are murdered.

But here’s where Giuliani is off the mark: it’s nothing personal. Obama just doesn’t do love.

He doesn’t express love toward America the way Bill Clinton and Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan did because he doesn’t express love toward things in general.

He clearly loves his daughters, and he loves his wife (though that relationship seems complicated). But his main interest is himself, and even that is more a preoccupation than a kind of love. Obama doesn’t “love” widely. It’s not who he is.

You don’t have to follow Giuliani back to Jeremiah Wright’s church or Bill Ayers’s living room or Frank Marshall Davis’s porch to understand how little use Obama has for love, in general. You don’t have to delve into what he believes. Just look at what he does to those who love him.

He neglected to visit his mother when she was dying of cancer–then lied about her death to sell Obamacare. In a political jam, he accused his grandmother–the woman who raised him–of being a racist.

Obama has also abandoned each of his most important constituencies, at one time or another. He betrayed the hopes of the black community, which has seen its economic fortunes decline, in general, during his presidency. He promised the unions he would march with them, then avoided Wisconsin in the crucial collective bargaining fight of 2011. He told American Jews he would have “Israel’s back,” and look where we are.

These betrayals are more than run-of-the-mill broken promises. They are examples of unrequited love. Because the same constituencies, by and large, stick with Obama anyway.

And that just reinforces Obama’s apparent cynicism about love: at some level, he suspects people don’t really love him, just the idea of him. “I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views,” he wrote in The Audacity of Hope. He doesn’t return that love because he suspects it isn’t sincere. He’s almost disdainful of the adoration.

Early life taught Obama that love is often an illusion. He found an escape in radical politics–and in pop culture, en route to post-modernist high culture.

Obama, as I have argued before, is a post-modern man. Love is a passion, and a post-modern man prefers perspectives to passions.

To borrow Obama’s words on American exceptionalism: he loves America as he loves Indonesia, as he loves Kenya, as he loves Pakistan.

Which is to say: not especially. But, please, Mr. Mayor–it’s nothing personal.

 

[The Guesser]

Fact Checker
[h=1]Giuliani’s false claims about Obama’s speeches[/h]

By Glenn Kessler February 22 at 12:49 PM

(AP Photo/John Minchillo)
“I’m not condemning his patriotism — patriots can criticize. They’re allowed to criticize. I don’t hear from him what I heard from Harry Truman, what I heard from Bill Clinton, what I heard from Jimmy Carter, which is these wonderful words about what a great country we are, what an exceptional country we are. When he called us an exceptional country, he said we’re an exceptional country, but so is Greece.”
– former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, interview on Fox News’ “The Kelly File,” Feb. 19, 2015
Does former Mayor Giuliani not listen to Obama’s speeches? The president has consistently expressed love of country and extolled the virtues of the United States in many speeches, while also at times acknowledging what he considered flaws and mistakes made in the past (what critics have labeled “an apology tour”).
Here are a few examples from Obama:

“I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy; our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’ That is the true genius of America.”
​

–July 27, 2004

“These people are a part of me. And they are part of America, this country that I love.”
​

–March 18, 2008

“The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain.”
​

–August 28, 2008

“The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known.”
​

–June 4, 2009

“Each time I look at that flag, I’m reminded that our destiny is stitched together like those 50 stars and those 13 stripes. No one built this country on their own. This nation is great because we built it together. This nation is great because we worked as a team. This nation is great because we get each other’s backs. And if we hold fast to that truth, in this moment of trial, there is no challenge too great; no mission too hard.”
​

–Jan. 24, 2012

“We keep our eyes fixed on that distant horizon knowing that providence is with us and that we are surely blessed to be citizens of the greatest nation on Earth.”
​

–Sept. 6, 2012

“I just spoke to Governor Romney and I congratulated him and Congressman Ryan on a hard-fought campaign. We may have battled fiercely, but it is only because we love this country deeply and we care so much about its future….What makes America exceptional are the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on Earth, the belief that our destiny is shared, that this country only works when we except certain obligations to one another and the future generations so that the freedom which so many Americans have fought for and died for comes with responsibilities as well as rights, and among those are love, and charity, and duty, and patriotism. That’s what makes America great.”
​

–Nov. 7, 2012

“If we refocus our energies on building an economy that grows for everybody, and gives every child in this country a fair chance at success, then I remain confident that the future still looks brighter than the past, and that the best days for this country we love are still ahead.”
​

–Dec. 4, 2013

“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it is our willingness to affirm them through our actions.”
​

–May 28, 2014

It’s also worth noting that, contrary to Giuliani’s assertion that Obama said Greece is an exceptional country, what Obama said, in response to a question in 2009, was that this is what he suspected Greeks believe: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”
But Obama was just getting warmed up. His next sentence was: “I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world.” He continued: “If you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that — though imperfect — are exceptional.”
[h=3]The Pinocchio Test[/h] Giuliani must have muted the sound whenever Obama spoke. He certainly has every right to his opinion about the tenor of the president’s remarks. But he has no business claiming something that is so factually incorrect – or easily disproved. He earns four Pinocchios.
[h=3]Four Pinocchios[/h]

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[Acebb]

You have to love that "fact check" where no words from Obama critical of America are examined, nor is anything more recent than 9 months ago examined.

It is also funny that merely repeating words, as if we can't question Obama at all, means Obama loves America.

Notice how Democrats have not asserted that Obama actually loves America.

Guesser is a fucking moron.

 

[vitterd]

Fact Checker
[h=1]Giuliani’s false claims about Obama’s speeches[/h]

By Glenn Kessler February 22 at 12:49 PM

(AP Photo/John Minchillo)
“I’m not condemning his patriotism — patriots can criticize. They’re allowed to criticize. I don’t hear from him what I heard from Harry Truman, what I heard from Bill Clinton, what I heard from Jimmy Carter, which is these wonderful words about what a great country we are, what an exceptional country we are. When he called us an exceptional country, he said we’re an exceptional country, but so is Greece.”
– former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, interview on Fox News’ “The Kelly File,” Feb. 19, 2015
Does former Mayor Giuliani not listen to Obama’s speeches? The president has consistently expressed love of country and extolled the virtues of the United States in many speeches, while also at times acknowledging what he considered flaws and mistakes made in the past (what critics have labeled “an apology tour”).
Here are a few examples from Obama:

“I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy; our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’ That is the true genius of America.”
​

–July 27, 2004

“These people are a part of me. And they are part of America, this country that I love.”
​

–March 18, 2008

“The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain.”
​

–August 28, 2008

“The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known.”
​

–June 4, 2009

“Each time I look at that flag, I’m reminded that our destiny is stitched together like those 50 stars and those 13 stripes. No one built this country on their own. This nation is great because we built it together. This nation is great because we worked as a team. This nation is great because we get each other’s backs. And if we hold fast to that truth, in this moment of trial, there is no challenge too great; no mission too hard.”
​

–Jan. 24, 2012

“We keep our eyes fixed on that distant horizon knowing that providence is with us and that we are surely blessed to be citizens of the greatest nation on Earth.”
​

–Sept. 6, 2012

“I just spoke to Governor Romney and I congratulated him and Congressman Ryan on a hard-fought campaign. We may have battled fiercely, but it is only because we love this country deeply and we care so much about its future….What makes America exceptional are the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on Earth, the belief that our destiny is shared, that this country only works when we except certain obligations to one another and the future generations so that the freedom which so many Americans have fought for and died for comes with responsibilities as well as rights, and among those are love, and charity, and duty, and patriotism. That’s what makes America great.”
​

–Nov. 7, 2012

“If we refocus our energies on building an economy that grows for everybody, and gives every child in this country a fair chance at success, then I remain confident that the future still looks brighter than the past, and that the best days for this country we love are still ahead.”
​

–Dec. 4, 2013

“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it is our willingness to affirm them through our actions.”
​

–May 28, 2014

It’s also worth noting that, contrary to Giuliani’s assertion that Obama said Greece is an exceptional country, what Obama said, in response to a question in 2009, was that this is what he suspected Greeks believe: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”
But Obama was just getting warmed up. His next sentence was: “I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world.” He continued: “If you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that — though imperfect — are exceptional.”
[h=3]The Pinocchio Test[/h] Giuliani must have muted the sound whenever Obama spoke. He certainly has every right to his opinion about the tenor of the president’s remarks. But he has no business claiming something that is so factually incorrect – or easily disproved. He earns four Pinocchios.
[h=3]Four Pinocchios[/h]

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Wait....so rudy's comments actually hold no merit and far right repubs are again backing some idiotic claim only they believe? Gee, that hasn't happened much these last 7 years.

How many times do these whackjobs have to be proven fools before they just stop talking?

 

[superbeets]

 

[SheriffJoe]

There's a reason Rudy's comments are hitting a nerve...because they are true.

 

[MantisToboggan]

There's a reason Rudy's comments are hitting a nerve...because they are true.

Why do you act as though calling the Constitution imperfect makes someone a radical? You realize Justice Kennedy also called the Constitution a flawed document, right?

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Why do you act as though calling the Constitution imperfect makes someone a radical? You realize Justice Kennedy also called the Constitution a flawed document, right?

He also thinks that using foreign and international law is an aid to interpreting the United States Constitution. WTF

 

[SheriffJoe]

Why do you act as though calling the Constitution imperfect makes someone a radical? You realize Justice Kennedy also called the Constitution a flawed document, right?

"deep flaws in American culture" - doesn't get any more hateful than that.

And racist to the core.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Giuliani Versus Obama

The firestorm of denunciation of former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, for having said that he did not think Barack Obama loved America, is in one sense out of all proportion to that remark — especially at a time when there are much bigger issues, including wars raging, terrorist atrocities and a nuclear Iran on the horizon. Against that background of strife and dangers on the world stage, it may seem as if Barack Obama's feelings, or Rudolph Giuliani's opinion about those feelings, should not matter so much, especially when it is hard to know with certainty how anyone feels. Yet when someone is the leader of a great nation at a historic juncture, it is more than idle curiosity to know what drives him. It is not clear what the basis was for so much outrage at Mayor Giuliani's opinion about President Obama. Was it that what Giuliani said was demonstrably false? Was it that Barack Obama is supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty? Anyone who simply looks at the factual evidence as to whether Obama loves America, or does not, will find remarkably little to suggest love and a large amount of evidence, over a long period of years, showing his constant close association with people fiercely hostile to this country. Jeremiah Wright was just one in a long series of such people. Barack Obama's campaign promise to "fundamentally transform the United States of America" hardly suggests love. Nor did his international speaking tour in 2009, telling foreign audiences that America was to blame for problems on the world stage. President Obama's record in the White House has been more of the same. Among his earliest acts were offending our oldest and closest allies, Britain and Israel, and betraying the country's previous commitments to provide anti-missile defenses to Poland and the Czech Republic. Obama's refusal to let Ukraine have weapons with which to defend itself from Russian invasion was consistent with this pattern, and consistent with his whispered statement — picked up by a microphone that was still on — to tell "Vladimir" that, after the 2012 election was over, he would be able to "have more 'flexibility.'" Conceivably, these might all have been simply blunders. But such a string of blunders would require someone very stupid, and Barack Obama is by no means stupid. The net effect is that in Europe, the Middle East and Asia, America's allies and America's interests face far more setbacks and dangers today than when Obama took office. His policies have been publicly criticized by two of his own former Secretaries of Defense, by two retired four-star generals who served during his administration, and a retired four-star admiral who also served in the Middle East during the Obama administration has called his policies "anti-American." Some people who are denouncing former mayor Rudolph Giuliani seem to be saying that it is just not right to accuse a President of the United States of being unpatriotic. But when Barack Obama was a Senator, that is precisely what he said about President George W. Bush. Where was the outrage then? If all else fails, critics of Mayor Giuliani can say that a man is entitled to be considered "innocent until proven guilty." But that principle applies in a court of law. Outside a court of law, there is no reason to presume anyone innocent until proven guilty. It is especially dangerous to presume a President of the United States — any president — innocent until proven guilty. Whoever is president has the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans, and the fate of a nation, in his hands. It is those millions of people and that nation who deserve the benefit of the doubt. We need to err on the side of safety for the people and the country. Squeamish politeness to an individual cannot outweigh that. We need to keep that in mind for the next president, and for all future presidents. We might have been better off if the question of Obama's patriotism had been raised before he was first elected. Never should we ignore so many red flag warnings again. There is little that can be done about President Obama now, no matter what he does. Impeachment, even if it succeeded, would mean Joe Biden as president and riots across the country. It is hard to know which would be worse. Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com. To find out more about Thomas Sowell and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2015 CREATORS.COM

 

[SheriffJoe]

 

[JDeuce]

Getting back to the OP, this one doesn't require a forensics team to figure out.

The most common definition of patriotism is love of country. If someone spends far more time criticizing and apologizing than saying positive things...wouldn't that at least bring into question the strength of that love? And if that person wants to "fundamentally change that country," doesn't it suggest that they don't like what it is and want it to be different? That may suggest a love of a vision, but not a love of what is.

Or on a personal level...if someone criticizes their wife to everyone and complains about all her faults relentlessly with scarcely a positive word, wouldn't most people question whether that person truly loves their wife? And would anyone get married or stay married if their intention was to "fundamentally change their spouse"...?

 

[BleedingPurple]

Getting back to the OP, this one doesn't require a forensics team to figure out.

The most common definition of patriotism is love of country. If someone spends far more time criticizing and apologizing than saying positive things...wouldn't that at least bring into question the strength of that love? And if that person wants to "fundamentally change that country," doesn't it suggest that they don't like what it is and want it to be different? That may suggest a love of a vision, but not a love of what is.

Or on a personal level...if someone criticizes their wife to everyone and complains about all her faults relentlessly with scarcely a positive word, wouldn't most people question whether that person truly loves their wife? And would anyone get married or stay married if their intention was to "fundamentally change their spouse"...?

You described this board.

 

[The Guesser]

You have to love that "fact check" where no words from Obama critical of America are examined, nor is anything more recent than 9 months ago examined.

It is also funny that merely repeating words, as if we can't question Obama at all, means Obama loves America.

Notice how Democrats have not asserted that Obama actually loves America.

Guesser is a fucking moron.

Just another Lying Ace Lie as the FACT Check story contains Obama quotes from more than 10 Years ago, let alone 9 months. Add to the list.

 

[The Guesser]

Wait....so rudy's comments actually hold no merit and far right repubs are again backing some idiotic claim only they believe? Gee, that hasn't happened much these last 7 years.

How many times do these whackjobs have to be proven fools before they just stop talking?

Obviously the number is incalculable.

 

[Acebb]

Just another Lying Ace Lie as the FACT Check story contains Obama quotes from more than 10 Years ago, let alone 9 months. Add to the list.

Um, I didn't say it didn't contain quotes from more than 10 years ago, idiot. I said it doesn't contain anything "more recent" than 9 months ago.

Why can't you read? Too much cock in your mouth?