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Okay, genius...keep tossing out the straw men because you can't/won't face reality.
When you've done your homework and think you're ready to debate "history" (specifically, how human nature always leads us into these conflicts), let me know...
Remember, "anti-war" is not a real policy and not even remotely rational, and if you're coming from that demented mindset looking to make your case and "justify" it, you've lost before you've even begun.
You are therefore an ideologue.
An ideologue is defined as, someone who's life revolves around THEORY and views every bit of news and every event through that narrow prism -- no analytical thinking skills required.
Jimmy Carter is an ideologue. Ron Paul is an ideologue. Neville Chamberlain was an ideologue. Osama bin Laden was an ideologue. Karl Marx was an ideologue. The dykes in Code Pink are ideologues.
Ideologues are an impediment to all human progress (see the Taliban and Mullahs in Tehran) because a reasoned give-take discussion is not an option. They're not looking for pragmatic solutions, they just believe the world will bend to their warped delusions.
Allah Ahkbar, hellah!
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i have faced reality...its called deployment. And what branch of the military do you belong in? Like Ive said before, your a paper patriot... you want to shoot em up and kill all those that define America... yet, you don't want to carry the burden of war - you want to surf around the blogosphere and message boards telling people that anti-war is bullshit. What do you care if soldiers are going on a 4th..5th tour? The REALITY is.... that you don't care.
I'm more then happy to debate that "non interventionism" did not cause Hitler to rise to power
Hmmmm right. Our enemies today are our enemies tomorrow... Taliban, OBL, Saddam Hussien... what a great foreign policy Mark.
so when are we gonna declare war on Saudi Arabia?
Anti-War is not rational? Since restauration how many wars has Switzerland been involved in?
get a clue man... or get some balls... or get both - either way, your a lost cause
And all those who called out the beast for what it really was were vilified as "warmongers" and "fearmongers"..."paranoid"..."reactionary"....just like today.
68 million people dead because the world couldn't (didn't want to) recognize evil when they saw it.
Well done, holy pacifists! :aktion033:hno:
Joe, didn't you already use this before?
Anyway, what do you think Chamberlain should have done?
Soooo...
You respond with one to two paragraphs of personal attacks speculating about my non-military background, making shit up out of thin air, even though most in the armed services agree with MY point of view and not YOUR Cindy Shitcan fantasies -- fact. Btw, we have an all VOLUNTEER armed forces -- fact.
Typical weak rebuttal from a Paultard.
Then without reading the articles I posted and addressing the points made (because you are an ideologue) you compare the United States to a tiny, insignificant country like Switzerland. Laughable but equally Paultarded and irrelevant to his debate. :lol:
Tiny 'neutral' Switzerland is a direct beneficiary of United States 'intervention' ...I'm speaking of the security of international airspace, waterways etc. that makes the free flow of goods in and out of Switzerland possible -- fact. Trade between nations is only possible in the absence of terrorists and other rogue players. Whose job is it to get rid of them every time they rear their ugly heads, hellah? Switzerland?hno: :lolBIG:
If fascist Russia or Communist China decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow -- the way, say, Saddam invaded Kuwait -- the Swiss wouldn't have the resources to defend themselves -- fact. They would either perish or the United States would bail them out (Europe wouldn't have the resources to fight Russia, either) -- fact. Europe had to practically beg the United States to "intervene" in Bosnia, because they couldn't handle the smallest skirmish in their own backyard -- fact.
The United States is the most powerful, influential country on the face of the Earth -- fact. It's culture and trade is spread by it's growing capitalist influence, not because of any government policy -- fact. Your people who cover their women with black from head to toe and treat them like cattle, don't like this libertarian culture and want to keep living in the stone ages -- fact.
If you take away all the oil, the entire middle-east has a smaller GDP than Sweden -- fact. Your part of the world is economically, culturally, and politically BACKWARD -- fact. Or, what normal folks just call, "fucked."
As the world becomes smaller through technology and trade, these backwater regions in the world can no longer be ignored -- especially when they try to acquire weapons of mass murder. Normal, rational folks call it the "don't let children play with matches" rule.
So either we confront (and reform) them, or they will believe their God has called them to make our lives hell -- as they did through the 90s during Bill Clinton's "holiday from history" -- fact.
Not once, have I ever heard a Paultard acknowledge the alternative universe had Saddam and the Taliban remained in power -- not once. When an ideologue like Paul is confronted with reality, he just brushes it off in one sentence saying things like "Kuwait could have defended itself" or "Taiwan could defend itself."
And you call yourselves and your retarded "anti-war" views rational? And you wonder why Paul remains on the fringest of the fringe, considered by most to be a walking talking eating shitting Martian?hno: :missingte
BUY A FUCKING CLUE!
You are entitled to your own opinion, hellah, you are NOT entitled to your own FACTS.
You respond with one to two paragraphs of personal attacks speculating about my non-military background, making shit up out of thin air, even though most in the armed services agree with MY point of view and not YOUR Cindy Shitcan fantasies -- fact. Btw, we have an all VOLUNTEER armed forces -- fact.
Typical weak rebuttal from a Paultard.
Then without reading the articles I posted and addressing the points made (because you are an ideologue) you compare the United States to a tiny, insignificant country like Switzerland. Laughable but equally Paultarded and irrelevant to his debate. :lol:
Tiny 'neutral' Switzerland is a direct beneficiary of United States 'intervention' ...I'm speaking of the security of international airspace, waterways etc. that makes the free flow of goods in and out of Switzerland possible -- fact. Trade between nations is only possible in the absence of terrorists and other rogue players. Whose job is it to get rid of them every time they rear their ugly heads, hellah? Switzerland?
hno: :lolBIG:If fascist Russia or Communist China decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow -- the way, say, Saddam invaded Kuwait -- the Swiss wouldn't have the resources to defend themselves -- fact. They would either perish or the United States would bail them out (Europe wouldn't have the resources to fight Russia, either) -- fact. Europe had to practically beg the United States to "intervene" in Bosnia, because they couldn't handle the smallest skirmish in their own backyard -- fact.
The United States is the most powerful, influential country on the face of the Earth -- fact. It's culture and trade is spread by it's growing capitalist influence, not because of any government policy -- fact. Your people who cover their women with black from head to toe and treat them like cattle, don't like this libertarian culture and want to keep living in the stone ages -- fact.
If you take away all the oil, the entire middle-east has a smaller GDP than Sweden -- fact. Your part of the world is economically, culturally, and politically BACKWARD -- fact. Or, what normal folks just call, "fucked."
As the world becomes smaller through technology and trade, these backwater regions in the world can no longer be ignored -- especially when they try to acquire weapons of mass murder. Normal, rational folks call it the "don't let children play with matches" rule.
So either we confront (and reform) them, or they will believe their God has called them to make our lives hell -- as they did through the 90s during Bill Clinton's "holiday from history" -- fact.
Not once, have I ever heard a Paultard acknowledge the alternative universe had Saddam and the Taliban remained in power -- not once. When an ideologue like Paul is confronted with reality, he just brushes it off in one sentence saying things like "Kuwait could have defended itself" or "Taiwan could defend itself."
And you call yourselves and your retarded "anti-war" views rational? And you wonder why Paul remains on the fringest of the fringe, considered by most to be a walking talking eating shitting Martian?
hno: :missingteBUY A FUCKING CLUE!
You are entitled to your own opinion, hellah, you are NOT entitled to your own FACTS.
i have faced reality...its called deployment. And what branch of the military do you belong in? Like Ive said before, your a paper patriot... you want to shoot em up and kill all those that define America... yet, you don't want to carry the burden of war - you want to surf around the blogosphere and message boards telling people that anti-war is bullshit. What do you care if soldiers are going on a 4th..5th tour? The REALITY is.... that you don't care.
I'm more then happy to debate that "non interventionism" did not cause Hitler to rise to power
Hmmmm right. Our enemies today are our enemies tomorrow... Taliban, OBL, Saddam Hussien... what a great foreign policy Mark.
so when are we gonna declare war on Saudi Arabia?
Anti-War is not rational? Since restauration how many wars has Switzerland been involved in?
get a clue man... or get some balls... or get both - either way, your a lost cause
Oh my! Bin Laudin will be jealous, big boy. He does look at home
there don't he guys. What a man!!!!!:nohead:
how is that a personal attack? Im giving you my opinion about your opinion - yet your cry, bitch, and moan when someone disagrees with you. Your a fucking pussy... deal with it
Take it for what its worth... you can call it a weak rebuttal from a Paultard... fact of the matter is that you have no problems sending soldiers from one war to another doing 4 to 5 tours (at least) while your nothing but a cheerleader. You cant rebut that. Believe me, nobody is fighting for Mark's freedom
whats not fact about Saddam, Taliban, and OBL being our friends... then our enemies?
for you to not think that provoking other nations doesnt piss them off?
your off your rocker
Take it for what its worth... you can call it a weak rebuttal from a Paultard... fact of the matter is that you have no problems sending soldiers from one war to another doing 4 to 5 tours (at least) while your nothing but a cheerleader. You cant rebut that. Believe me, nobody is fighting for Mark's freedom
whats not fact about Saddam, Taliban, and OBL being our friends... then our enemies?
for you to not think that provoking other nations doesnt piss them off?
your off your rocker
It's easy to be proclaim oneself a 'pacifist' strolling through the streets without a care in the world preaching "peace" and "love" and "nonintervention" while other members of society are doing the heavy lifting and dirty work -- risking their lives by going into the dark alleys and confronting the bad guys.
"For it is the soldier, not the reporter,
who has given us Freedom of Press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
who has given us the Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag,
who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag."
Amen.
Talk about the mother of all delusions..I give you the latest 'leader' of this ignorant, demented cult...
Thank the Lord R-E-A-L-I-T-Y hates him more than I do! :missingte
"For it is the soldier, not the reporter,
who has given us Freedom of Press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
who has given us the Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag,
who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag."
Amen.
Talk about the mother of all delusions..I give you the latest 'leader' of this ignorant, demented cult...
Thank the Lord R-E-A-L-I-T-Y hates him more than I do! :missingte
Roscoe... Mark is the biggest bullshitter here
says he's not a racists... clearly is
loves war and blowing up nations... does not want any part of that
says that non-intervention caused the rise of hitler... history shows that is false
scared shitless about people running around with RPGs 7000 miles away... never talks about domestic terrorism
Mark, nobody takes you serious because your constantly contradicting what you say
hmmmm thats funny... I guess I didn't do anything in the service according to you
or are you talking about policemen going into section 8 housing and other parts of the "hood" and busting drug traffickers, rapes, and homicides?
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whats your next post mark? Fred Doltan Thompson for President?
says he's not a racists... clearly is
loves war and blowing up nations... does not want any part of that
says that non-intervention caused the rise of hitler... history shows that is false
scared shitless about people running around with RPGs 7000 miles away... never talks about domestic terrorism
Mark, nobody takes you serious because your constantly contradicting what you say
hmmmm thats funny... I guess I didn't do anything in the service according to you
or are you talking about policemen going into section 8 housing and other parts of the "hood" and busting drug traffickers, rapes, and homicides?
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whats your next post mark? Fred Doltan Thompson for President?
Once again, it's called REALITY, hellah -- choosing the lesser of two evils in order to defeat a more pressing evil. We teamed up with Communist Russia to defeat Nazi Germany. Are you saying that was 'bad' policy?
Choosing the lesser of two evils is an American tradition -- and what most Euroweenies label as 'hypocrisy.' Choosing the lesser of two evils is a necessary part of foreign policy -- wipe your shoes and check your idealistic beliefs at the door, thank you.
Fact is, in YOUR sick, twisted, FUBARED part of the world, almost EVERYONE is evil in some form or another. Take Pakistan, for example. Who else is there to choose from besides Musharraf? Is Musharraf white as rice? No! But that's REALITY -- the cards we've been dealt with, in a country with 300 loose nukes.
Now, Paultards don't embrace REALITY, and instead regurgitate their delusional, irrational, 'moral' holier-than-thou arguments ("blowback") because they are IDEOLOGUES.
Well, hellah, until you embrace REALITY, you are pissing into the wind -- fighting a HOPELESS cause, forever stuck in political purgatory.
All the name calling ("Joe, the pussy"; "Joe didn't serve"; "Joe, the chickenhawk"; blah blah blah...) won't change a damn thing.
Joe, you have a lot of pictures of really bad folks. You don't
worry bout a little country. Why are you so afraid of a
Ron Paul? He's going to get a lot of votes in Texas. That's
all, but that's only because of the Bush shame in Texas.
What you shoud be doing is helping put Bush/Chenny
before the Justice Committee. Get closure and put the crimes
behind us so we can all move forward. Paul is no threat. Pick
a better concern.
worry bout a little country. Why are you so afraid of a
Ron Paul? He's going to get a lot of votes in Texas. That's
all, but that's only because of the Bush shame in Texas.
What you shoud be doing is helping put Bush/Chenny
before the Justice Committee. Get closure and put the crimes
behind us so we can all move forward. Paul is no threat. Pick
a better concern.
The same thing we did as soon as Saddam crossed the Kuwaiti border. Was that a trick question?
In 1936, the French army could have halted Hitler's reoccupation of the Rhineland with a single division of troops -- but chose to do nothing.
In 1938, Britain and France could have joined forces with the well-armed and highly motivated Czech army to administer a crushing defeat to the German Wehrmacht and probably topple Hitler in the bargain -- but chose to do nothing.
Instead the 'leaders' of that time chose appeasement and handed Hitler the Sudetenland, setting in motion the process that in 1939 led to the most destructive war in world history -- 68 million people dead.
Now, you tell me, who was more dangerous? The Neville Chamberlains all across Europe? Or a "warmonger" like Sir Winston Churchill?
Political labels are cute...but the facts and time never side with pacifism and appeasement -- NEVER, EVER!
You can sit back and ignore the little weed in your garden and pretend it'll go away. Why, you might even go and have a conversation with it and ask it to leave politely, only to return a few days later and notice (much to your horror) that the little weed has multiplied.
Or, you can just use this...
...and save yourself a massive headache later on.
say's the man who's motto is.
"peace ONLY and ALWAYS thru strength, never thru appeasment or surrender"
AND
is against iran having nukes!...how can iran have peace without strength mark?...ONLY and ALWAY'S right?
you have to drop that slogan from your arsenal if you don't believe iran should have nukes...EVERY SINGLE ONE of mark's "philosiphies" work for the cowboys and not the indians...it doesn't get more obvious than mark.
"you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"...aaron tippen
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
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