Quote from State Dpt on Bush's "Human Rights" record .. LOL !!!

[theriddler01]

Would it be okay for you to lose all rights just because you are suspected of terrorism?

First it would never happen b/c I don't associate with ppl that would even be mistaken for a terrorist, but if I were in another country and for whatever reason they thought I was a terrorist, it would make Gitmo look like summer camp.

Why are these people suspected terrorists is the real question. Do they just pick out random unsuspecting upstanding citizens?

 

[theriddler01]

I'm afraid you misunderstood the meaning of my post. I know what they would be entitled to. My question is rather, why are they not entitled to it already? Why should being accused of terrorism be so much different than being accused of murder? Why does a suspected murderer counts as innocent until convicted while a suspected terrorist is treated worse than a convicted criminal? where is our society going to when we strat to freely choose to whom our laws apply and to whom not?

Well usually murderers are one person. A terrorist has ties to many other terrorists, and there is strength in numbers. They get there little plan working and it could mean thousands of American lives on American soil. So it's important for us to know just what the hell they have planned. And if it hurts a little to get that info, oh well.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Preussen:

Laws dont apply to this Republican gang currently in Office

Germany is lucky they don't have oil or Cheney would tell Junior to
invade Berlin for a needed "regime change"

Bush and his PNAC crowd give a shit about one thing: WAR

 

[theriddler01]

Preussen:

Laws dont apply to this Republican gang currently in Office

Germany is lucky they don't have oil or Cheney would tell Junior to
invade Berlin for a needed "regime change"

Bush and his PNAC crowd give a shit about one thing: WAR

I'm an independent. And I voted Gore, skipped the voting the 2nd Bush term, and voted McCain this year. I just see what I see and am not skewed by any political party. I guess I've been leaning Repub more and more the older I get. But would vote Dem if I like the next candidate. We'll see I guess.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Stick around ...

Joe the Plumber as a Jebbie spokesman in 2012 should be classic !!!

 

[Preussen]

First it would never happen b/c I don't associate with ppl that would even be mistaken for a terrorist, but if I were in another country and for whatever reason they thought I was a terrorist, it would make Gitmo look like summer camp.

I don't care what would happen in other countries. Why don't you just answer my question? I know that it's unlikely you will ever be suspected of terrorism, but is it impossible? Certainly not.
And there will always be people who choose not to disassociate themselves from friends just because they might be mistaken for terrorists, and for them the risk of incorrectly being suspected of terrorism is quite real. But I guess you think that they then would have only themselves to blame, correct?

You are obviously one of those 'It won't happen to me so it doesn't matter'-guys. You may want to wake up and realise that this line of thought is dangerous.

 

[theriddler01]

I don't care what would happen in other countries. Why don't you just answer my question? I know that it's unlikely you will ever be suspected of terrorism, but is it impossible? Certainly not.
And there will always be people who choose not to disassociate themselves from friends just because they might be mistaken for terrorists, and for them the risk of incorrectly being suspected of terrorism is quite real. But I guess you think that they then would have only themselves to blame, correct?

You are obviously one of those 'It won't happen to me so it doesn't matter'-guys. You may want to wake up and realise that this line of thought is dangerous.

No I wouldn't want to be in that situation, who would? And if there are people that get mistaken for terrorists, then I'm sorry but I'm glad we are at least checking them out. How would you feel if your kids went to NYC and some suicide bomber blew em up? A guy that "maybe" was a terrorist, but we couldn't get that info because it was against his rights? Would you be mad at our gov or would you understand?

 

[Preussen]

No I wouldn't want to be in that situation, who would? And if there are people that get mistaken for terrorists, then I'm sorry but I'm glad we are at least checking them out. How would you feel if your kids went to NYC and some suicide bomber blew em up? A guy that "maybe" was a terrorist, but we couldn't get that info because it was against his rights? Would you be mad at our gov or would you understand?

Assuming that there really was not enough evidence to arrest the man and there was no legal way to find out and stop him (not very likely, if you already suspect someone and he still can carry out his mission then you probably did something wrong) then yes, I would understand. It certainly wouldn't lessen the pain but I wouldn't blame the government.

I strongly belief that the danger that terrorism presents is far too small to waive important civil rights in order to fight it, partly for moral reasons but even more because I don't want to be 'safe' if it means living in a police state.

People like you don't mind just because they believe their freedom will not be infringed upon. I'm sorry, but this is not good enough for me.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Preussen: take a bow!!!

Best line of the day on this forum:

I strongly belief that the danger that terrorism presents is far too small to waive important civil rights in order to fight it


DAMN RIGHT .... YA SPEAK THE TRUTH MY FRIEND !!!