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bushman
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Notice that although every working every day is something mom and pop have to do there has not been a single libertarian moonie who has offered a solution to a homeschooling equivalent.

Middle class semantic nonsense.

Its easy to pull someone else's efforts apart.
PARTICULARY when you offer no real solutions of your own.

So MUCH of libertarianism is based on semantics.

So MUCH, that no country in the world is actually libertarian.

Even the commie assholes have got Cuba.

But the Libertarian assholes have got zip.
 

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As far as I am concerned.

Until Libertarians get a country of thier own they are a complete bunch of assholes who should shut the fuck up.



Get a fucking Island or something for christsakes, and get your system up and running.

Otherwise shut the fuck up!
 

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Libertarians are almost as bad as socialists

utopian dreamers
 

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Joe just makes it up as he goes along.

He says stuff like that whilst he's searching for something more normal to say.

ignore.
 

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you guys are comedy no retort just name calling

good times....

and eekster i gave you an example of libertarian type people living within american society they are called the amish and are doing just fine

they might not have fancy flat screen tvs and big gas guzzling SUVs but i'm sure most lead a happy lifestyle and are content with what they have....more stuff you don't need leads to more stress....and less happiness....the amish figured this out american's haven't yet

my grandma lived a libertarian lifestyle up in a small town in iowa....never even learned to ever drive a car.....great lady and always seemed happy and content.....
 

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Thats why I got fed up fighting with guys like Phaedrus.


Just get one single crappy crumb of a country of your own first.


Then give us a call.

Until then. Fuckoff.
 

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the US was founded by libertarian type people eekster minus some of the social issues like blacks as slaves and women inferior to men but that was more due to the time period than anything.....stuff like that has slowly gotten better globally as man has evolved throughout the course of time......

settlers were trying to flee the big oppressive empire and create their own libertarian type republic

and now we reaching that point again where us libertarian moonbats are looking for somewhere to go

unfortunately there isn't a huge plot of land like the US to take over
 

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lol

i didn't say that

they just found a way to lead a simple content libertarian type life within american society

go about their lives while the rest of the world does its own thing

was curious about taxes and amish....they still have to pay income tax, property tax etc.....

but they do not collect social security/medicare nor to they pay into it.....smart bunch they are....

nor do they collect UE or welfare

The IRS and the Amish played a convoluted shell game for close to a decade, until it all came to a head with the seizure of a struggling farmer's horses in 1961. The Amish elders stuck firmly by their principles, and the ensuing media and community outrage over the incident led the IRS to relent four years later. Tucked away in the 1965 Medicare Bill was a clause exempting the "Old Order Amish" and other religious groups that conscientiously objected to paying insurance premiums from Social Security tax. To be exempt, the group or sect must have been established prior to 1950 and maintain reasonable provisions for their elderly.
 

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Its nothing personal but people who are libertarian tend to be well off middle class dreamers.

My own brand of asshole has fought two world wars from day one and we are still standing tall...if a tad shaky.

You people just talk.
Thats all you EVER do. You talk.

The citizens of the Western world have never been more wealthy...and yet you assholes are STILL talking about nirvana or eutopia or paradise or Zion or whatever the heck it is you turkeys call it.

Even the fecking jews have finally got their shit wired together, after 2000 years.

Meanwhile the Libertarians continue to obfuscate...
 

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wealth is to the eye of the beholder eekster

i'm sure the amish feel they are very wealthy people but not in the way us westerners view it....

their focus on family and a sustainable long term lifestyle....that's their idea of wealth

people have never lived such a stressful dramatic high paced lifestyle than they do now.....people our on each others throats for stupid shit......like road rage for instance.....

i see people with these new iphones and they are on it all the fucking time.....

does it really make them happy or are they trained that way?

tizgloom fought the cell phone as long as he could but just part of living in society today can't do without one
 

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Ok, surprised to read that these are your thoughts, to be honest.

Kids getting into crime, imo (and seemingly iyo, too) is due to bad parenting for the most part -- as opposed to a lack of public education per se. If kids have nothing to do all day, that's the fault of the parents, not the absence of whatever it is they happen to not be doing.

Sure, public education helps lazy parents keep their unruly kids busy all day, but so could hockey camp, or working around the house, or whatever. I don't think it's the responsibility of the state to do parents' job for them, and only ends up encouraging the idiocy you see now. Thus, you could easily make an argument that public education increases crime, as it increases bad parenting, a bigger correlator.

IMO, the worst consequence of public education is that everyone learns the same stuff, and way too much of it. We're totally homogeneous when we come out of it. It takes more and more education to specialise, and more and more time to master a craft. Having a high school diploma doesn't mean anything. Even an undergrad is typical now.

Side note: Dalton McGuinty (Ontario Premier) recently passed legislation that would disallow a teenager from obtaining their license unless they graduate school. What impact would not having a driver's license likely have on a high school dropout looking for a job? And what impact would not being able to find a job have on the dropout's chances of turning to crime?

OK thanks for that elucidation. I see where you're coming from and I agree with everything you say, believe it or not. My position that the gov't sucks at everything it does, that it does more harm than good, that is evil to the core, etc. hasn't changed.

I was only looking at the immediate effect of taking the situation of today and instantaneously wiping out public schools in one go. I still believe you'd have a short-term increase in crime, even if there is a decrease in crime in the long run because of what you say, and other measures that could be taken.

A pure ACist would probably say that government is evil, so getting rid of all of its levels and branches is non-negotiable. Then if I say, "Don't you think there'd be a spike in crime if you did that?", they'd likely say "So what? Deal with each crime as it happens. Eventually the perpetrators will get deterred because it won't be the impotent and useless government that's penalizing the crimes but private citizens who can do a much better job of it."

I realize I'm probably answering my own question here, but I guess I just wanted to double check that this is really the ACist position, in case I missed something.

But indeed, bad parenting is definitely the root cause of a lot of society's problems, no question, and governments do plenty to incentivize bad parenting.

I think that, based on my travels, which include about 47 states and 10 provinces, that Ontario is on the podium as one of the top three examples of government run amok of any place I've ever seen. I heard you couldn't even tailgate at a fuckin NFL preseason game that they experimentally held in Toronto because of the stupid alcohol laws. I don't even want to know how much they charged for beer in the stadium, if they even allowed it.
 

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wealth is to the eye of the beholder eekster

i'm sure the amish feel they are very wealthy people but not in the way us westerners view it....

their focus on family and a sustainable long term lifestyle....that's their idea of wealth

people have never lived such a stressful dramatic high paced lifestyle than they do now.....people our on each others throats for stupid shit......like road rage for instance.....

i see people with these new iphones and they are on it all the fucking time.....

does it really make them happy or are they trained that way?

tizgloom fought the cell phone as long as he could but just part of living in society today can't do without one

Tizzy, congratulations on an incredibly profound statement and excellent post.

Eek, quit being jealous of rich people and just figure out how to be happy with what you've got. Money does not buy happiness, in case you didn't notice. Just look at the faces of the guys in the most expensive seats at sporting events. Ever see 'em crack a smile? Let the super rich wipe their butts with all that money. They have so much they don't even know what to do with it. Quit thinkin' that that's gonna make ya happy. Yer a sorry old fart because yer a sorry old fart, not because you don't have enough money.
 

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Is that why all the Ron Paul nuts are voting for Obama?

:lol:


I love what you do here Joe, but your off base here. Why would anyone who voted for Ron Paul vote for Obama?

I supported Ron Paul, but would never vote for that Socialist agenda
 

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Let the super rich wipe their butts with all that money.

Actually one of the secret tips on Increasing Wealth is to use paper currency to wipe your ass. You then toss it in the washer and recycle it for another several rounds while all the less financially intelligent are burning up tons of their income on disposable toilet paper.
 

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Notice that although every working every day is something mom and pop have to do there has not been a single libertarian moonie who has offered a solution to a homeschooling equivalent.

Ummm.....private school??
 

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A pure ACist would probably say that government is evil, so getting rid of all of its levels and branches is non-negotiable. Then if I say, "Don't you think there'd be a spike in crime if you did that?", they'd likely say "So what? Deal with each crime as it happens. Eventually the perpetrators will get deterred because it won't be the impotent and useless government that's penalizing the crimes but private citizens who can do a much better job of it."

I think even AC purists would appreciate a 'weaning period' should libertarianism gain some respect politically. I think this is true across the board - any libertarian ideals would have to be worked in slowly to minimise the negative impact. Ron Paul talked about this often.

I think that, based on my travels, which include about 47 states and 10 provinces, that Ontario is on the podium as one of the top three examples of government run amok of any place I've ever seen. I heard you couldn't even tailgate at a fuckin NFL preseason game that they experimentally held in Toronto because of the stupid alcohol laws. I don't even want to know how much they charged for beer in the stadium, if they even allowed it.

Dalton McGuinty has appointed himself Mr Mom to the lot of us. Don't get me started ... I can't even watch local news anymore on accounta my hating that guy. He thinks we're all a bunch of idiots, and that he, daddy, knows best.
 

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Any anarchists out here?

Tiz you are right, if we are americans are ever going to move more towards libertarian principles, we will have to take steps. You don't just go from this socialist wasteland to a limited government.

Did any of you guys like the movies V is for Vendetta or the matrix?
 

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