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Actually Johnnie Mac covered it but you chose to ignore him.

Went back and read the post again, he did no such thing. He did not answer the question, he did a dance.

1) sounds like he's admitting he'd say yes

2) totally irrelevant

but where do you stand?
 

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If someone belongs to an organization that is holding an innocent person and said person has some information I believe they should be hurt until they give up that information. It's the pain of a guilty person versus the freedom or possible life of an innocent person.
 

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The proof shows nothing of the kind. The inhumanity of torture goes against 234 years of American principals.

I knew you Rat wangers were wrong headed but do you really want the USA to copy the Nazi's?

It didn't work for them.
 

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The proof shows nothing of the kind. The inhumanity of torture goes against 234 years of American principals.

I knew you Rat wangers were wrong headed but do you really want the USA to copy the Nazi's?

It didn't work for them.

Submit your proof or have your opinion be disregarded. I'm hoping you aren't basing your post on urban legends.
 

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What part QL? That we as a country oppose inhumane treatment? That the Nazi's used it? That the Nazi's failed? That torture has given us no positive results?
 

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If someone belongs to an organization that is holding an innocent person and said person has some information I believe they should be hurt until they give up that information. It's the pain of a guilty person versus the freedom or possible life of an innocent person.

Since when does holding information make someone a guilty person?

I agree that if information that would save my life or my family's life could only be obtained by tourturing someone, then go ahead and torture them. But in 20 000 years of human existence things have never worked like that. And they certainly haven't worked like that in the eight years since 9/11
 

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Since when does holding information make someone a guilty person?

I agree that if information that would save my life or my family's life could only be obtained by tourturing someone, then go ahead and torture them. But in 20 000 years of human existence things have never worked like that. And they certainly haven't worked like that in the eight years since 9/11


"they certainly haven't worked like that in the eight years since 911" ?

What???? if you can arrive at any conclusion, it has to be that we have made remarkable progress to disarming, disrupting & minimizing Al-Qeada.

The best argument you can make is that our actions haven't done anything to stop them, they just did so of their own free will.

Certainly, there is no evidence to support your conclusion.
 

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What???? if you can arrive at any conclusion, it has to be that we have made remarkable progress to disarming, disrupting & minimizing Al-Qeada.

Even if we agree to any or all of the three above assertions, neither you or I can reasonably conclude that employment of torture on captured AQ operatives played a significant role.
 

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once the notion that a court doesnt decide your rights and that equality for all is a lie is totally understood

maybe the men that truly sit on a wall and protect can be left alone to do their job without being questioned

whatever the end may be, to gain intelligence or not, maybe they want to inflict pain

relatively certain that anything that has led some to believe it is counterproductive

havent gained this knowledge through practice but rather simulation or applying psycho babble

how would anyone know besides those using the methods whether it works or not?

on anohter note if you are against the methods for any other reason other then saying its not productive

such as human rights, ill gladly give you a tissue and some panties that might help you out some more

then attempting to understand things
 

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