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Conan, put Mr. "KNOW IT ALL" on your don't view like so many of us have.

The Crackhead has been absent during Tennessee shit years and now he crowing.
 

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I prefer the pro style offense. Doesn't mean you line up in the I formation and hand it off. Huge misconception between teams running the shotgun formation and the read option out of the gun.
 

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The spread offense does not necessarily mean a "hurry up" offense. While both Oregon and Peyton Manning have perfected the hurry-up offense, it is obvious that while both have been wildly successful in the regular season, both fail miserably come the PLAYOFFS. But there are and have been college teams running the spread offense such as Auburn and Florida and you can go way back to the option teams as well that did not need the hurry-up offense which is mostly a gimmick style offense. Winning at the point of attack is what needs to be done.
 

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The spread offense does not necessarily mean a "hurry up" offense. While both Oregon and Peyton Manning have perfected the hurry-up offense, it is obvious that while both have been wildly successful in the regular season, both fail miserably come the PLAYOFFS. But there are and have been college teams running the spread offense such as Auburn and Florida and you can go way back to the option teams as well that did not need the hurry-up offense which is mostly a gimmick style offense. Winning at the point of attack is what needs to be done.
Agreed. Often the best angle on a game is to ask "Where's the beef?" It starts with a quality OL.
 

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Look at what Malzahn did when he became OC at Auburn. He changed everything for that program and took an unsung QB and made him a household name (what was his name lol). Regardless execution is still a key and red zone offense also.

In that recent bowl game Oklahoma gave the Alabama D fits and in executing their offense Bama made 5 TO's although they outgained OU.
 

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Look at what Malzahn did when he became OC at Auburn. He changed everything for that program and took an unsung QB and made him a household name (what was his name lol). Regardless execution is still a key and red zone offense also.

In that recent bowl game Oklahoma gave the Alabama D fits and in executing their offense Bama made 5 TO's although they outgained OU.
What hurt us more than anything is Knight had the game of his life against Bama, and everybody assumed he had become that kind of talent, when in reality it was a one in a thousand game for him that he couldn't ever duplicate again. The stars fell just right for OU in that game, although I can say that the Sooners were playing their best ball at the end of that season, and with a little chip on their shoulders. And we now know the defense operates much better in a 4-3 against a pro-style offense than it does a 3-4 against the spread.
 

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Sooner, that 2014 Sugar Bowl was tough to watch. I remember it well because it cost me a nice sum.

Oklahoma lit up our #2 rated scoring defense with 45 points...the most under Saban at Alabama. Three Bama turnovers cost
us 21 points in the first half. McCarron 2 interceptions and Yeldon's fumble when we were about to score. Can't remember if
it was the first half but the Sooners had a 60-70 yard punt for a TD called back.

Botton line is Oklahoma's defensive front whipped our offensive line. McCarron had little protection during the entire game.
 

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Come on now. The article (very good I might add) makes many good points. It explains how and why schools like Oregon have to settle for lower rated QBs.

Oregon doesn't settle for lower rated QB's they go after QB's that fit their system regardless how many or how little stars they have, using your reasoning they settled on Marriota and got lucky even though he was the QB Helfrich wanted the minute he laid eyes on him, Mahalak wasn't even the starting QB on his HS team when Helfrich recruited him. The reason both of these players and many others at Oregon were recruited to play at Oregon is because they fit into the system they play not because of how many stars they have.
 

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At Oregon, there were 2 Heisman candidates, one winner and one sad luck case who sustained a season ending injury (Dennis Dixon) with a comfortable lead in projected Heisman voting with only 3 or 4 weeks left in the season. Dixon left for the pros in 2008 so that makes 2 top drawer QB's that led the nation in a most prestigious way over a 6-7 year stretch. (2008 -2014) Now Willie Paradise touts an article (a very good one as he states) that somehow picked its way around 2 of the top QB's in CFB who played for Oregon. Who wouldn't gladly settle for "lower rated" QB's like those? And one more point that needs to be made... the Pac has ALWAYS been known for producing top CFB QB's on the west coast and also on the national stage.

If there is one position on the field that could be singled out representing the position of greatest strength in the conference, that would have to be the QB's that have played on the west coast for West Coast schools. You can find plenty of them who played out west for teams other than teams from the Pac-10/12. David Carr and Colin Kaepernick are two that quickly come to mind. I believe that the high concentration of quality signal callers out west is due in part to the west coast football culture and how the game is perceived out west in general. In fact quarterbacking out here is so culture driven in so many communities (that comprise over 40 million people in California alone,) it doesn't make sense to gauge the position and compare it to the way it is viewed other places around the country.

Running backs seem to come from just about everywhere but the concentration of DL's in the South is noteworthy. This is not so unusual, it's just the way it is. No one region has a monopoly on any position on the field, but higher numbers according to position and region cannot be denied.
 

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At Oregon, there were 2 Heisman candidates, one winner and one sad luck case who sustained a season ending injury (Dennis Dixon) with a comfortable lead in projected Heisman voting with only 3 or 4 weeks left in the season. Dixon left for the pros in 2008 so that makes 2 top drawer QB's that led the nation in a most prestigious way over a 6-7 year stretch. (2008 -2014) Now Willie Paradise touts an article (a very good one as he states) that somehow picked its way around 2 of the top QB's in CFB who played for Oregon. Who wouldn't gladly settle for "lower rated" QB's like those? And one more point that needs to be made... the Pac has ALWAYS been known for producing top CFB QB's on the west coast and also on the national stage.

If there is one position on the field that could be singled out representing the position of greatest strength in the conference, that would have to be the QB's that have played on the west coast for West Coast schools. You can find plenty of them who played out west for teams other than teams from the Pac-10/12. David Carr and Colin Kaepernick are two that quickly come to mind. I believe that the high concentration of quality signal callers out west is due in part to the west coast football culture and how the game is perceived out west in general. In fact quarterbacking out here is so culture driven in so many communities (that comprise over 40 million people in California alone,) it doesn't make sense to gauge the position and compare it to the way it is viewed other places around the country.

Running backs seem to come from just about everywhere but the concentration of DL's in the South is noteworthy. This is not so unusual, it's just the way it is. No one region has a monopoly on any position on the field, but higher numbers according to position and region cannot be denied.


Hard to argue about west coast QBs, but there are great ones from every conference. It's all about the style of play for each school. I have not been a believer in read option spread QBs in the nfl and haven't seen anything thus far to believe it will work in the nfl. The d speed is the difference.
 

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What hurt us more than anything is Knight had the game of his life against Bama, and everybody assumed he had become that kind of talent, when in reality it was a one in a thousand game for him that he couldn't ever duplicate again. The stars fell just right for OU in that game, although I can say that the Sooners were playing their best ball at the end of that season, and with a little chip on their shoulders. And we now know the defense operates much better in a 4-3 against a pro-style offense than it does a 3-4 against the spread.

Exactly. The Sooner's were highly motivated for that game, kind of unusual for a Stoops bowl team. Down 10-0 and they kept fighting.
 

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It makes sense that teams are going to try and merge the two systems some similar to some NFL teams. Alabama even ran some POP plays last year. If you have the QB, you lean a little more pro-style. If he's more an athlete then your system leans heavy to zone-read style. Perhaps more than ever, a team needs to have more ebb and flow with offensive style year to year. jmo
 

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It makes sense that teams are going to try and merge the two systems some similar to some NFL teams. Alabama even ran some POP plays last year. If you have the QB, you lean a little more pro-style. If he's more an athlete then your system leans heavy to zone-read style. Perhaps more than ever, a team needs to have more ebb and flow with offensive style year to year. jmo

some good stuff in this thread, I agree with you on a merge of the two.
 

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